Why did the character of Steve leave?
I really enjoyed his character and wish he hadn't left. The last episode I saw him in was A MAN CALLED KANE.
Can anyone fill me in, please? Thanks in advance.
I really enjoyed his character and wish he hadn't left. The last episode I saw him in was A MAN CALLED KANE.
Can anyone fill me in, please? Thanks in advance.
He was in at least one episode after "Kane" (Felicity's Spring). Saying that, I do wonder why he left, Steve was pretty great.
shareI agree. I liked the original cast very much because they grew on me. Steve should have stayed.
Thanks for responding to my post.
I think he probably was looking at a career in movies. He only got a meaty part on the show every third episode. I remember seeing him in a bit part on the show "Probe" in the 80's. He had like one line and I knew it was Steve.
I also liked the original cast a lot except Judge Garth. John Mcintire was much better. John Dehner was the first to replace Garth and he would have been great in that part. Wonder why he left. Maybe he did not want to do a series. There were other that came along on the show who I liked. David Hartman ans Randy Boone were great. Clu Gulager was solid as the deputy.
WOW! I still have so much to learn about this amazing show. Thanks for sharing more about it with me and also sharing your own personal thoughts on characters whom you liked or disliked. :).
They don't make shows as this one anymore... sad to say.
Blessings to you and yours. :).
I enjoyed Judge Garth, then again, I always liked Lee J. Cobb. Maybe it was because I enjoyed the interplay of Betsy with the guys (particularly Steve).
When did Dehner replace Cobb? I remember when John McIntyre came in, I remember Dehner doing several guest spots, but don't remember him being an owner of Shiloh.
Clu Gulager... I have felt, particularly since rewatching the series on Encore Westerns, that he went the William Shatner school of emoting. He never quite seemed to know what to do with his hands. I don't remember noticing that before, and it could be that he changed as time went on. I *did* however, enjoy him immensely when he played the deaf/mute in ... season 2 was it?
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I guess it's all in who you like as an actor. I've always loved John Dehner and John Mcintire.
John Dehner took over for Lee J. Cobb at the end of the fourth season. Lee J. Cobb was on from 1962-1966. I have read he did not like episodic tv. I guess this is why he left near the end of the fourth season. John Dehner played Morgan Starr in four of the final episodes of that season. I don't know why he did not return. They could have just finished the season without adding him. I am glad they did. The first episode he appeared in was called "Morgan Starr" and it showcased him in the story. It dealt with locusts attacking the crops. John Dehner never had a better episode on tv with the exception of his twilight zone episode "Mr. Garrity and the Graves".
The showed never failed to entertain over the 9 years. The last year was different, but the episodes were still good.
This show is in my top 5 westerns of all time. Bonanza, Big Valley, Wanted:Dead or Alive & The Rifleman are also in he top 5. Little House on the Prairie and Law of the Plainsman are also great. I always loved Michael Ansara.
Rany Boone was dreadful,Hartman unbearable and LEE J.COBB was an acting GIANT.
Forgive me,but I must say...you did not care for the GREAT LEE J COBB??But
you enjoyed David Hartman? This is astonishing,mind-bending.What on earth!
There are a great many people who didn't like Lee J Cobb. There are varying reasons for it, some disagreed with his "politics" which were made very public in the 50s. Others didn't care for his "appearance", as my neighbor says, he always looked so angry. I always thought he looked a bit like a bulldog, but in the best sense. His eyes were the giveaway. He could look very angry, but the eyes when he was just "woolgathering" always looked ... contented.
Hartman was a kind, non-threatening type. I liked him (though I adored Cobb) too. Hartman seemed the type you could sit and chat with, while Cobb could make one feel uncomfortable (just watch some interviews with Gary, and get his take on Cobb's personality, he liked him, but he was intimidated by him).
Don't like Lee J Cobb? That's unusual. Cobb is one of those great character actors who had to make an acting career based upon talent and not looks. You know the type, usually chosen for something like "best supporting actor", where the actual suppoting cast acting is way better than the lead pretty-boy actor.
Along with the likes of Martin Balsam, Eli Wallach, and such. Never a lead, but typically better than the lead.
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I agree 100%!
I just watched the interview disc on the DVD of the first season of The Virginian. Durry comments that because of "one thing or another" Steve didn't return, and he was sorely missed.
Gary Clarke stated that he didn't *really* leave to do Hondo, but that was the feeling you got (that some thought he left to do that show). There was no actual statement for why Steve was gone.
I love this show but I like the first two seasons best because I like the original cast most.
There was just something so endearing about Betsy...and LJC and RS seemed so convincing as father and daughter. And I love the triumvirate of the Virginian, Trampus and Steve--they were so great together and the cameraderie among them seemed so real. I could believe they were real friends, bickering and teasing and looking out for one another.
I did enjoy the "Granger years"--just not as much.
On another note, didn't this show just have the most beautiful cinematography? Even after over 40 years, the images hold up. Pretty amazing considering that most shows didn't go "color" until the late 60s/early 70s.
Re TrueBill: I love a man that can set a woman on fire and give a granny money!
I agree with you. The first two seasons are my favourite as well. The Grainger years are nice -- but Betsy and the original cast stood out in a very special way. This is the Virginian I enjoy the most -- with the original cast members.
I completely agree with everything you have written here. I liked the original cast the best, especially Betsy and the relationship she shared with her dad, Judge Garth.
I am always amazed at the cinematography and how beautiful everything looks. It makes you want to be where they are.
Gary Clarke,interviewed in Paul Green's A HISTORY OF TELEVISION'S THE VIRGINIAN says that he got too cocky and demanded that more episodes be built around his character and so was dropped after the second season.'A man Called Kane' was the last episode of the second season and Clarke appeared as guest star as Steve in two episodes of the third season 'Felicity's Spring'[3#5] and 'The Girl From Yesterday'[3#9],his last appearance in which he is recruited by a U.S. marshall[played by Don Collier,who was foreman Sam Butler in 'The High Chaparral'] to infiltrate an outlaw gang which includes an old flame of Steve's.Clarke says the reason he was brought back was that the studio had lent him money and this was their way of getting repaid.He then went on to write for episodic TV including 'Get Smart'[he wrote the episode which introduced the robot Heimie].
shareAccording to the book "History of Television's 'The Virginian'" by Paul Green, Gary Clarke and his character were dropped because MCA (Revue Studios and Universal Pictures) did not renew his contract. The reason given is that Clarke's success gave him a swollen head that grated on management's nerves. The sources for that account are executive producer Frank Price and Clarke himself.
He sided with James Drury and Doug McClure against the executive producer over which horse Drury wanted to ride and since they were more important to the series, his contract was not renewed after the second or third season. Drury did not want to continue riding the white horse but his character was linked to the white horse and the producer did not want him to switch horses.
shareDo you know why James Drury wanted to stop riding his appy horse? I thought I had read somewhere once that he actually owned it. We have been watching the Virginian re-runs on Encore Westerns on DirectTV since they started with the New Years marathon, but they have skipped a lot of episodes and not all of them have been consecutive. The ep we saw today (11 months later) was the 3rd one from the end of season 8, "Sins of our Fathers". I loved this show as a kid, although I was pretty young, being born in 1963, so I was ecstatic to see it being re-aired this year. We are paint horse breeders, so I pay close attention to most all horses in these old tv shows. We have fun noticing the odd discrepancy here and there, most notably scenes like ones with Trampas going from a hackamore to a bit back to the hack on Buck on the same cattle drive, LOL.
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It is wonderful to watch this treasure of a series......brings back memories
of watching back in the day.....as the cliche'goes.
It's an interesting idea, but since the first couple of seasons showed the Virginian riding many different horses (chestnuts, bays, blacks, pretty much a different one each week), it doesn't make a lot of sense for the producer to do that.
I'll take what Gary said, in his interview on the first season DVD, he said that he didn't necessarily leave to do Hondo, so I suspect that it had more to do with tptb trying to make things hard for him, like they did Roberta Shore.
Were you close to the show or just "having us on" as The Irish would say?
Regardless..Steve,Gail Kobe and Clu were quite good in this episode..losing Steve had to cost NBC in the Wenesday niight ratings....when he and Cobb left.
I'm watching and enjoying this series as part of Saddle Up Saturdays on insp. They are showing the early episodes with the original cast of Cobb, Drury, McClure, Clarke and cute Roberta Shore. This show is so wonderful...I never saw it in its' original run, choosing instead to watch Batman, The Courtship Of Eddie's Father and just about whatever else abc was showing in the Wednesday timeslot.
Great dramatic stories, guest stars, it's like comfort food. I love "The Virginian" (and Steve)!
Steve was a very fine actor.He had whatever it takes....show went downhill after he left in my mind.
I completely agree that Gary Clarke had "it". I'm surprised that he didn't become a big star. It is interesting to learn that he had a hand in sabotaging
his own career. Too bad. He does make an appearance in the movie "Tombstone"(the
one with Kurt Russell).
Even though I am late to the party, I'm so excited to find this mesage board. I
watched this series as a small kid with my father (it was his favorote show), so
I was thrilled to find it on Encore Westerns last year and have watched all the
seasons from the beginning. I'm sure they probably skipped random episodes here
and there and have wondered if Steve's departure was ever addressed in an episode they didn't show.
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I followed Gary Clarke on The Virginian " back in the day,"as they say, but he played so magically off of Mr.Drury and Mr.McClure with a twinkle in his eye that even today...there would be no reason for him to be let go.
The three of them were fascinating in a threesome,that some "off the wall"happening could be the only answer..."Steve"was that good.
I agree that "Steve" was that good. I wish more episodes had revolved around him.
shareThe character of Steve played by Gary Clarke was just phased out of the storyline, and in 1965 was just phased out of the show completely. The shows producers were bringing in new directors and after Lee J Cobb decided to leave the show the producers decided to revam the cast. Which ultimately left Roberta Shore to decide to leave as well, not waiting to see if she would be asked to stay or go plus she was getting married that year as well. As was Randy Boone in that same year (1965) The Grainger clan was introduced in early 1965 that introduced Charles Bickford (John Grainger) Don Quine (Stacy Grainger) and the very cute Sara Lane as Elizabeth Grainger as well as more storylines for Doug McClure being that Gary Clarke was gone. Prior to 1965, Doug McClure did not have an everyday work schedule (credited on several episodes) The producers could'nt afford the salaries of Cobb, Drury (The Virgia) Roberta Shore and McClure in one production being that it was still a new show under speculation and scrutiny that it wouldn't last 5 seasons. With the new cast in place the series continued to do very well in ratings as with the character of Elizabeth Grainger and her brother Stacy as well as Grandfather John Grainger were graciously welcomed. I became interested in The Virginian while watching the show on CoziTV cable channel here in New York where i have watched seasons 1-8 but have not seen the last season "The Men of Shiloh" I might add that John Mcintyre as Clay Grainger & Jeanette Nolan (his real life wife) and TV wife Holly kept my attention as Charles Bickford had suddenly passed away in 1967. However the character of David Sutton played by David (bad teeth) Hartman was oddly placed in the cast and in my opinion, did not blend with being in a television western.
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