Drugs?


How come no one mentions how obviously high Monroe and Clift are in this movie? Surely I can't be the only person on the planet who noticed. Monroe looked completely out of it, slurred her speech, and frequently gave the surprised "Wait, where am I?" look. I was sure she was going to fall over a few times. I wonder if she did in the edited scenes.

Clift was high as a kite, but that's nothing new for him. I've heard of the little thermos-o-euphoria he carried around with him. It just seems weird how no one talks about this, especially considering how relevant it is to Monroe's problems and eventual demise.

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shut up

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Sad really. If you've bothered to watch the film, then why can't you be bothered to research into any of the actors?

Yes it's true that Marilyn was on drugs, she was on and had been on numerous drugs, barbituates, amobarbital, chloral hydrate, pentobarbital and phenobarbital to name but a few of the ones she was addicted to.

It was also well known that she was often late to set and seemed very disengaged with the world when she had been taking these drugs, but her physician had ordered her to do through a detox week to try and ween her off of the drugs, I think she was pregnant at this time? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Sadly she lost the baby.

I also think that this was the set with the ever present red thermos? Or was the GPB? Not sure.

Anyway... so sad that you have that POV, but at the end of the day that's your opinion.

"Say, is it alright over the you-know-what?" "It's wonderful over the you-know-what."

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i dont think she was pregnant at the time. she was barely speaking to Miller

I dont think she appeared drugged on screen. Her acting was not great but i think that was due to nothing more than trying to find her way into this character.

Clift was perfect. dont know what you are talking about op

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The movie was filmed in black and white to hide Monroe's bloodshot eyes, but I don't think she was as high as a kite, nor did I notice any slurred speech. A very poignant film in hindsight, knowing of the imminent deaths of the two main actors and Clift's untimely death five years later.

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the decsion to film in black and white had nothing to do with MM's eyes. it was an artistic decision. you dont just change to b+w at the last minute

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Saw a French TV show last night about MM. In it, it stated that John Houston had made this remark, that he chose to film it in b and w, for the above reason. I knew I had seen or read it somewhere. I had not just imagined it.

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Dear Pauline...please, no. This is a myth, a speculation of Norman Mailer from his 1973 "biography" of Monroe. He assumes Monroe's eyes are bloodshot, and writes something like, "thankfully, "The Misfits" would be shot in black and white...blah, blah."

This film was carefully planned. John Houston hired cinematographer Russell Metty specifically because of Metty's expertise in black and white. He felt color would destroy the "mood" of the film.

Hundreds of wonderful color candid were taken of Monroe on the set. Her eyes look just fine.

Marilyn had many problems and there are things we can lay at her door. She doesn't need to be slandered over the choice of her director and her playwright husband to make a movie in black and white.

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I wasn't slandering her. I have been a fan for fifty years. I am sorry for my misunderstanding. Thankyou for your clarification.

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If she was pregnant, it could have just as easily belonged to Yves Montand, who she had an affair with while making "Let's Make Love".

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Monroe had 16 abortions in her life.


Oh, now it's sixteen?
Norman Mailer in his "bio" gave her 14 abortions - all of which he admitted on camera (I am told) he made up. He invented them.
The only other source of similar information is Amy Greene, Milton Greene's wife.
The autopsy report, I am told, shows no trace of abortions.
(Which - again, I am told - do leave visible traces.)








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I doubt it. A woman's body could not take that number. After three or four, she would not have conceived at all.

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I agree that she looked completely out of it throughout the film... Out of shape too.

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are you kidding me? i thought she looked the best in this film than she did in any other.

obviously the woman was drugged out during the film, but i still think she did a wonderful job. she's supposed to be a breezy, distracted, unsure woman, trying to get her bearings in a completely new situation. if anything, i think being stoned made it easier to portray.

maybe i'm just biased. i freakin love monroe.

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Out of shape? What does that even mean? Some people's criticism of movies boggles my mind, oh well.

Hollywood used to create, now they just destroy.

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Out of shape!?!

She never looked younger or fresher. Remember she's playing an ex-stripper and the 50's stripper stereotype is "a little dozy, simple and sexy." Albiet, not much of a reach for marilyn but she owned at vunerable. Instead of acting, she was re-acting the entire film. Just as it should be. (I'm still in shock over the reply that they filmed in B&W to cover her bloodshot eyes! Trust me, if I could buy Visine in the sixties, so could she. Colour film is often distracting and if you want the focus on the players or the story, nothing sorts that like black and white.)

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I believe Marilyn looked more beautiful in this film than any other. As far as her being high... the only scene that made me wonder about her state of mind was when they were in the bar when she met Gay. Just watch the way she's feeding the dog. I literally said to the TV, "Oh my god. She has got to be high right there."

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I've finaaly traced the source of that remark about MM's eyes. It was none other than John Houston, director, who said it, apparently. So challenge him and not me.

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I disagree. I don't especially like or dislike MM, but I found that Huston got the best out of her in "The Misfits". Stoned she was perhaps, but not out of it nor looking absent or haggard. This is obvious from the emotions that she carries, expresses and makes believable to us and for us. A drugged-out actress would not be able to pull that out, Method or no Method. As many critics have said, MM had reached a certain point where she could be considered as a good actress - not exceptional, not with an exceptional range, but competent. I truly think that MM's interpretation in this movie is nothing short of breast-taking, I mean breath-taking (sorry, could not resist: that's what being the sexiest bipedal creature that ever lived since photography was invented.

Another good test of how competent MM's playing was in "The Misfits" comes from the fact that although Clark Gable showed how deep an actor he could be with this movie (his acting having been underestimated or unappreciated to its true value previously), although he shone in many scenes, never his performance eclipsed Marilyn's. Which is clearly what would have happened if she had acted poorly in this one, Instead, both stars nourish the plot and the drama that unfold before our eyes without leaving either one of the two interpreters seem eclipsed or shrunken due to the other's part.

So if only drugs could help her carry on during that period, blessed are the "dolls" for allowing us to have that gem of a movie. I'm certainly not one who will condemn or judge anybody for the use of drugs. There are myriads of reasons why a person may use them, and more often than not, prescription drugs improve one's health or ability to thrive. And if drugs helped someone as troubled as MM to survive to heavy hardship, that's something we should recognize instead of condemning the actress altogether for any drug abuse she had.

I'm not a specialist of MM's bio, but the little I know is that her mental fragility almost inevitably led her to a dead end in which personal, professional and even political intermingled like an inextricable labyrinth from which she had no chance of escaping but via the only exit she could find. Blaming the drugs or drug abuse here leads nowhere: one has to examine the medical, psychiatric, emotional and actual problems which led her to find solace in them.

Blaming MM's drug use for everything is like blaming the hand that held the gun instead of the murderer for a crime.

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The OP is not a troll; he is just voicing his opinion which I share. The scene in which Monty lays his head across Marilyn's lap is the perfect example of both the actors' medicated state. They are so obviously high, it's embarrassing to watch.

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i liked the composition of that shot.

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With regard to most of the above "discussion," “Can't you find something else to do besides dining on the drama of other people's lives like a bunch of teenage girls?" ~Don Draper

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Not to bicker, but you do realize that she was supposed to be quite drunk in that scene, and he had just received a significant head trauma, plus had been drinking. I'm not saying that there were no drugs involved, but they are supposed to seem out-of-it.

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Yes, it's funny how some like to criticize the actors for being drunk or high, but if that's the case, then it actually lends itself to the "character study" of this film.

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an absolutely great film, a gem, both Clark Gable & MM ended on a high note [no pun intended], if they were under the influence at times, due to personal drug use, it wasn’t noticeable, not to me at least -- anyway things can be explained away by alcohol, a lot of drinking (one poster said, too much, and I agree to some extent) – but what does questioner mean, ‘how come no-one mentions this’, geez it’s right there in the Trivia section “A doctor was on call 24 hours a day for both Marilyn Monroe and Montgomery Clift during the filming because both were experiencing health problems with alcohol and medical stimulants” – so this was an issue, the production crew were aware, but like in all movies, director probably re-shot scenes if problems were too obvious.

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I don't especially care for "The Misfits" or Monroe's performance, for that matter (she's actually better in "Let's Make Love") But I didn't catch any slurred speech or almost falling over. Her "Wait, where am I?" look was an actress falling back on her old mannerisms because she was utterly unsure of and embarrassed by the material.

The dialog that everybody has to utter is painfully self-conscious. The ending is an absurd cop-out--Rosyln and Gay would never have reconciled in real life. Everybody would ended up alone, just as they were at the beginning of the film. (I mean, wasn't that Miller's supposed point, that this was a movie about "real people" and "real" emotions?)

As for Monty, I think he is superb, and gives the best performance, aside from Thelma Ritter.

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Yes, this airhead of a blonde who specialized in idiotic romantic comedies was "embarrassed" by this thoughtful, complex - if not flawless - material she´d been given by the likes of Miller & Huston. Indeed.

And btw, on the topic of Monroe, I think her opening scene where she was unsuccessfully trying to memorize some lines for the court, was quite obviously poking fun at MM herself and her notoriously poor memory on film sets. Wonder why she didn´t object to such open ridicule... sure, she wasn´t exactly the brightest bulb to have roamed the earth, but are we supposed to believe she was ´this´ dense as to not get the reference?



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Can you really not put two and two together? She was "embarrassed" by the movie because it repeatedly poked fun at her in a malicious way. You even gave an example of something that upset her. That wasn't the only dig her ex-husband made about her in the film and she was very aware of it. That's why she found the movie embarrassing.

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I just watched this for the first time. I realize CLiff's character has suffered a head injury, but he really seams quite drunk through the whole thing.

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