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Macnee was to be Bond--would it have worked?


I just listened to The Avengers' commentary of The Master Minds, by writer Robert Banks Stewart. In it he revealed that he had written what would have been the first Bond movie (entitled Casino Royale) and that Patrick Macnee was slated to be Bond.

He said it was a little known fact, and being a Bond fan, I have to agree with that. I'd never heard of it before.

They lost the producer and the project was halted. Then, as we know, Sean Connery got the role and the first movie.

My initial reaction is Patrick would have been a cross of Connery and Moore, which means I would have liked him.

Curious what others think.

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I imagine if this version of "Casino Royale" had been made then it would have been a very different animal to the version of "Dr. No" that finally appeared in 1963!

I'm not sure if Patrick Macnee would have been entirely successful as James Bond having made such an impact as John Steed; although it would have been very interesting to see! I suspect he wouldn't have been a million miles away from Pierce Brosnan's interpretation of the role.

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I can totally picture him as James Bond...as a matter of fact, his John Steed in the third season was charming but he could be very tough and sometimes a little rude (not so much in the other seasons: he was much more of a gentleman in the Emma Peel/Tara King era- too suave to play Bond).
But I'm glad it didn't happen, we wouldn't have had The Avengers and I'm not a big fan of James Bond, to tell the truth.



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That is very interesting - I would even think it was a false rumor except that it appears to have come from a reliable first hand source (the writer). Macnee himself has never mentioned it in any interview or book that I know, making me wonder if he was aware of the intention of the producer and/or writer. Perhaps they never got to the point of actually asking him!

As for his making a good Bond, he is an excellent actor, certainly a versatile one. He wasn't bound by audience expectations to be the quintessential gentleman yet, so he may well have been a good Bond. But like other posters here, I'm much happier he stayed with THE AVENGERS, as I cannot envision any other actor of the period (or beyond) in the role of John Steed.

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I agree with what you've said.

The writer mentioned the producer's name, but I don't remember it. I assumed it was planned to be a single movie, not a series. I read that there was interest in doing a made for TV Bond movie a few times, but nothing came of those. Perhaps this was in that era, obviously before Broccoli <sp?> secured the rights to do the series of them.

I think Macnee could have handled the role, as he can do serious and jocular well. I think he can be very expressive--I prefer an actor that can convey a lot without words, or in support of them, not depended on words.

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There was the American live tv version of Casino Royale in the 50's with light comedian Barry Nelso as Bond perennial villain Gene Roth and Peter Lorre as the villain. Nelson, who played the hotel manager in Kubrick's The Shining, was asked about this several years ago during the hunt for a new Bond. "Just call me Double O 3 1/2." I felt Nelson was very miscast. I guess Bond was so unfamiliar to American audiences anybody could theoretically play the role.

One of my bosses years ago told me his roommate in law school was Michael Wilson. Wilson welcomed comments from fans when Casino Royale was remade, and I asked him about Barry Nelson. He mentioned another actor who had played Bond, but I don't remember his name.

As a footnote Ian Fleming and I have same birthday--5/28. I seem to remember reading or hearing Fleming had a cameo in From Russian with Love.

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If you'd like to see the 1954 TV version, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZnUeRUGQ5Y

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I suppose that all the people who participated in this thread to this moment must be men . I'm a straight male as well , but I think I know enough about women to declare that our Patrick would have never ever become an icon with the female audience . Seriously , do you think it would have been believable for all the gorgeous bond girls to lose their heads for him ? The fact that Honor still wastes so much energy to deny that her character ( not her , her character ! ) was sleeping with him in "The Avengers" should really tell something about how much she felt attracted to him !

Anyway I still find this story hard to believe . Especially since Patrick never brought it up either , which is something he would have incessantly done .. had the whole thing been true . BTW , he still claims that the role of Andrew Wyke in "Sleuth" was originally offered to him before than everyone else , but he had to decline it ( Why ? He had to shoot "Incense for the Damned" ? ) Now if you read Anthony Shaffer's autobiography , "So What Did You Expect ?" , you will surprisingly find out that Macnee isn't mentioned in any point , nor as the man who inspired the role ( go figure ) , nor as one of the actors who played it , which is something he did for real . Also in Shaffer's book it appears that Anthony Quayle , the original Wyke , also played an important role in the creation of the play .

Now if Mr.Banks Stewart is reliable as Patrick , Brian Clemens or Ray Austin I wouldn't give much thought to this rumour .

Don't get me wrong , I have nothing against Patrick ( even if he said many delirious things through the years ), also considering that in a recent interview he finally admitted to prefer Honor to all his other partners . And he's not really a completely useless actor either I suppose , I actually like him in Seasons 2-3 of the "Avengers" as an eternal second banana to his partner . The problem is he lacks the stature of the leading man , and has no charisma whatsoever . He can only be a solid supporting player to someone who has , like Honor or Ian Hendry . That's also what makes so absolutely inconceivable for him to play Bond . Roger Moore sure isn't a very subtle or versatile actor either , but one thing he didn't lack was the screen presence .

The whole thing about Patrick is he has no range , I really can't see him playing any role apart from Steed . For fun I was just trying to figure him in any great or iconic film role played by another actor and trying to see if there is at least one where he would have worked . Hmmm , I haven't accomplished the mission , yet .

These are some people I heard they were considered for playing 007 : Cary Grant , David Niven , James Fox , Richard Johnson , Patrick McGoohan , Laurence Harvey . Now one of these would have made much more sense ! Let's see if Macnee could have played one of these actors' best roles ...

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I suppose that all the people who participated in this thread to this moment must be men .


WRONG. (But I'm probably the only female on this board )

And I think he had a lot presence and charm (otherwise the show wouldn't have worked). As for range I have only seen him in this show so I can't judge.



Life without empathy is no fun at all.

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As for range I have only seen him in this show so I can't judge.


Maybe you should catch him in "Scrooge" ( 51 version ) , " Les Girls" and "The Elusive Pimpernel" . They're all small roles , but these are the best movies he has done . Apart from that , there is hardly anything good to save in his filmography , apart from a few uncredited early roles in some important 40's or 50's movies and a handful of appearances in cult tv shows , notably "The Twilight Zone" and "Alfred Hitchcock presents" .

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he was in the horror movie "The Howling" as the lead vampire...

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Bond had a ruthless edge which I don't see in Patrick so I can't imagine it. Having said that I never liked Roger Moore as Bond - too much lame comedy. For me it was Connery first, Dalton second.

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No, not really ...

Patrick Macnee was unique (look how much trouble they had recasting the part for the movie -- no offense to Ralph Fiennes, but still ...) however, as much as I like him and I consider him a far better actor than the yonk two posts up says, I can't see him as Bond. I, too, am a "Connery first, Dalton second" Bond fan.

Janet Aldrich

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Growing up with The Avengers I didn't give much thought to acting range. Seeing as an adult I think they tried to give some scenes to Patrick in the New Avengers that would need some. I think it was the House of Cards episode when his date tried to kill him at his home the scene where he provided backstory on what his life has been like married to his job showed he didn't have that range after all. Love the show. Love him, but have to agree he may not have the range Diana or Honor has.

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Bond needs tougher performance than the avengers

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Is it possible that he was referring to the 1954 version, an episode of Climax! (an anthology television series)? That starred Barry Nelson as an American James Bond, Michael Pate as a British Clarence Leiter (not Felix), and Peter Lorre as Le Chiffre.

I disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to your death for your right to say it;-)

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When you consider Ian Fleming's own choice as Bond was David N7ven, then Macnee doesn't seem so far off.

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Macnee is a capable actor, however the role of Bond requires a ruthless edge which is hard to picture with Macnee in the part.

This stems from the fact that he always maintains a charming and congenial tone in many of the characters he's played during his long career. Steed was cunning (and could certainly take care of himself in a tough spot) but Bond is callous in his dealings with others. He beds women for information, and kills those who stand in his way without blinking an eye. In short you need a man who has the ability to woo the ladies and the men can respect for taking care of business.

Bond is a brute force whereas Steed is sly fox.

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Macnee was perfect as the tongue-in-cheek John Steed, but not as the hard edge Bond of Sean Connery. The later Roger Moore version that became a parody of the Bond character could have been done by Macnee with a lot more class.

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