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Overrated because its Italian? (spoilers)


Seriously, this movie isn't that great.

- Cinematography is very standard, mostly medium shots to cover all the dialog.
- The scenario is too obvious in its stereotypes, and too explanatory. For instance: Ciro explaining who represents the good and the bad at the end.
- The end of this movie, with Simone coming home, is just a hilarious crying frenzy.

Some thoughts on why it seems old-fashioned/reactionary (possibly even back then):

- Moral: better get some education so you can work in the factory.
- Moral: life was better on the countryside.
- The boxing scenes were terrible. Even Charlie Chaplin's punches in City Lights seemed more realistic (being made 30 years before this one).
- Ridiculously Catholic: Simone just murdered Rocco's sort-of-girlfriend. Ciro wants to call the cops. Rocco, crying in the arms of the man that just killed his girl (?!), doesn't think it's a good idea (!): he don't believe in the laws of men.. But when his mother curses, he hysterically cries: 'Don't curse, mom!'
- The depiction of women is just silly, it makes Hitchcock's Marnie seem feminist. For instance: Rocco mostly feels sorry for himself when his brother almost rapes his girlfriend out of jealousy. As a solution Rocco tells the girl she should be his brother's girl again. She obeys..

- Admitted, Alain Delon is great, and so is the music. But 3 hours is a very long time. Looking past the exotic 'Italian cinema' predicate, I think its just not that good..

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"- The scenario is too obvious in its stereotypes, and too explanatory. For instance: Ciro explaining who represents the good and the bad at the end."

Except Ciro's explanation of his brothers actions to his little brother has little to do with how we're supposed to read their actions over the course of the film.

Rocco's ideals are shown to be seriously misplaced and his "saintliness" isn't necessarily to be admired.

Nadia doesn't simply "obey" anything.

The moral of the film isn't "life was better on the countryside." The film deals with the differences between the city and the country but it does not make any simple pronouncements about the superiority of country life. Instead, it questions the validity of those values in a place and period of time that requires new rules.

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It's been some time since I first posted my hotheaded opinions about this film, and I realize now that I failed to see the thematical core of this film so clearly stated by JonasEB, that 'it questions the validity of those values in a place and period of time that requires new rules.' Thanks for this. My bad, my bad..

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You weren't truly paying attention if you thought the cinematography was just average. Visconti was a master at visual storytelling, and the shots were lit, framed, edited and placed perfectly to set the moods and tell the story. Some scenes were noir-ish while others were realist while others were romantic. Remember that lighting and mis-en-scene and framing are just as important as a "beautiful" shot. This movie may not be as obvious with its camera techniques as, say, a Kubrick or Kurosawa film, but it was subtly perfect visually.

As someone above said, Ciro's "explanation" wasn't meant to hand hold the audience in the end. I actually thought the film did an admirable job, for a melodrama, of not spoonfeeding us, and the ending was no different. It was merely Ciro's biased thoughts and we were meant to ponder how right he was, and how it would affect Lucas in the future. I remember just feeling sorry for Lucas in the end, because of all the crap surrounding him.

Yes, the ending was melodramatic. But, it was a melodrama, and Visconti never tried to hide this fact. I take it as it is, and sure, it isn't for everyone.

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old-fashioned/reactionary


As if that was automatically bad.

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it was good overall, the characters were interesting, it has some memorable scenes too

i don't ask much more from movies than that 7/10



so many movies, so little time

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Good? Yes. Great? No. Overrated? Definitely.

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