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Could you imagine what Psycho would be like with the sexes reversed?


A young man embezzles money to be with his girlfriend, goes on the run and is pursued by a female state trooper. He eventually stops at a motel in the middle of nowhere presided over by a strange young woman and her unseen (but often heard) father. The young man is brutally knifed to death in the shower then his brother meets up with the girlfriend from earlier and a middle-aged female detective is sent to locate him...and you know the rest.

Just an interesting thing to think about, for me anyway.

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It's certainly an interesting thought experiment.

Of course, one way of understanding the whole post-Psycho history of the thriller/slasher is as working through all the permutations of parts of the fully sex-flipped scenario you describe. Even the recent Bates Motel tv series does a bit of this with, in Season 5, Marion (Rihanna) showing up at the Motel finally and even having a meal with Norman but it's Sam showering in her room whom Norman kills.



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It's certainly an interesting thought experiment.

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It certainly is!

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Of course, one way of understanding the whole post-Psycho history of the thriller/slasher is as working through all the permutations of parts of the fully sex-flipped scenario you describe. Even the recent Bates Motel tv series does a bit of this with, in Season 5, Marion (Rihanna) showing up at the Motel finally and even having a meal with Norman but it's Sam showering in her room whom Norman kills.

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Yes.."Sam getting it in the shower instead of Marion" was the key "flip" on the Bates Motel series(in the sole season in which the original Psycho PLOT was used within the confines of the show) gives us PART of that flip , but on Bates Motel, the killer was still a MAN and the showrunners made the specific decision NOT to have Norman dress as Mother(something about not insulting trans folks.)

I hate to take on the role of "naysayer" on this thought experiment, but it seems to me that Psycho as "the original slasher film" (and yet without the cliches to come) was structured very much on two acts in which it was VERY important that a woman was killed the first time, and a man killed the second time and...a man was the killer(albeit one with a FEMALE second personality.)

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The murder of Marion was, simply, a sex crime. Recall Vincent Canby's rave for Hitchcock's Frenzy in 1972: "Frenzy is the first great movie about a sex murderer since Psycho." The psycho in Frenzy is a rapist. Norman's stabbing of Marion(with that big phallic knife) is (wrote critic Robin Wood) "the rape that Norman dared not commit." And though "Mother" seemed to be killing Marion in a jealous, possessive rage, "Mother" was triggered by Norman's sexual arousal(at the peephole.) You could REVERSE some of this to a woman's sexual desire for a man (Director-star Clint Eastwood did in Play Misty for Me), but the elements of the male gaze, the man's need in society to acclimate his sexual desires into non-violent courtship(and Norman's psychotic inability to do so), and the sexual naked vulnerability of the FEMALE victim(not much expressed by Sam in Bates Motel)...it just was more PROFOUND to have a woman murdered by a man revealed ONLY at the end to be masquerading as a woman(Bates Motel simply showed Norman as a man kill another man.)

With Marion so brutally murdered, we now have a story about a male sex killer of women and if he had ONLY killed women -- see Hitchcock's Frenzy and DePalma's Dressed to Kill -- male audience members might not watch Psycho in much fear. This is why it was important to bring on a MAN -- a relatively tough man in a relatively dangerous profession -- private detective/law enforcement -- as the next victim. Audiences were shocked (in the second big shock in this film) to see Arbogast's professional savvy and formidable demeanor totally and utterly overcome , "just like that," in another slaughter scene.

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And this: though Marion's murder scene is longer than Arbogast's,
the man is attacked more brutally than the woman -- the direct hit of knife to face, the leaping upon and finishing off at the bottom of the stairs. That would have seemed a more cruel bit of business if a woman took such a slamming blow to the face, etc. Marion's death was certainly shocking and brutal, but Marion's face was untouched and the stabs were below the frame. (As to the staircase fall, well -- a woman took that fall in Psycho III, but less the brutality at the top and bottom of the stairs.)

There is a wonderful "original flow chart" perfection to the victims and their murders in Psycho -- the beautiful woman is killed BECAUSE of her sexual power, the hard-boiled man is the original "victim who is killed for snooping around and going where he/she should not go."

Moreover, there is a wonderful "rhyming symmetry" to the murders, their victims, and their locations;

Mrs. Bates comes DOWN to the Bates Motel and kills a woman.
A man goes UP to the Bates Mansion and is killed by Mrs. Bates.

THAT could be reversed for sexes but -- I still prefer the original selection of a female victim in the shower(female sexuality is different from male) and a male victim on the stairs(representing, in 1960 at least, both a certain "logic of the government-backed authority" AND a father figure vs. Norman.

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I'd watch it.

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Next time please be considerate and post spoiler alert in your heading. We do this for all movies made after 1940

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No beast on Earth is more scary than an angry woman with a kitchen knife!

I’ve seen it firsthand.

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Some angry women don't even need a knife.

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LOL

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