Why is this QT's 2nd favourite movie of all-time?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Tarantino
Only one link I noticed in his works:
Stumpy: "That ain't no kinda answer" (Rio Bravo)
Marsellus Wallace: "That ain't no kinda answer" (Pulp Fiction)
Cheers
Not only QT, but John Carpenter uses the line in Assault On Precinct 13 and even manages to fuse it with a Once Upon A Time In The West line.
STARKER : Why did you kill all those men?[...]
WILSON : A preacher once told me "There's something strange about you. You've got something to do with death." Being real young n' all, I believed him. Turned out he was right."
STARKER : That ain't no kinda answer.
WILSON : I thought it was pretty good.
Tarantino may have a child-like way to write films but at least he knows what makes a good old movie.
sharePersonally I think the acting and the directing as perfect, but the writing is poor in my opinion, Quentin Tarantino movies are way better than that... Some scenes were almost perfectly written however like the opening scene in the bar, the scene with the trumpet and Colorado (who speak english), the final shootout with the dynamite and maybe one or two others I didn't really notice...
shareRambling, trite, and pointless. Definitely Tarantino's kind of film, and compared to it his movies seem kind of good
shareJesus, Tarantino fans are the worse.
shareTarantino's a One-Man American New Wave, it would make sense for him to be inspired by all the cool pictures he'd have seen throughout his life.
That said, I love Rio Bravo, but I love Tarantino's films more, even his most flawed ones (Django Unchained and Death Proof), so I admit a sort of overzealous attitude towards the director. Howard Hawks still is a great director with his works, I loved his version of Scarface.
You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Yeah, he told me you're gay.
*BANG!*
This upsets me as I really really dislike rio bravo, and especially hate Angie Dickinson in it, but eh, I move on
shareBrodie,
I have a question. This is not meant as a criticism in anyway it is just my idle curiosity.
Why waste your time on a message board for a movie that you do not like?
For example, I do not like the movie "Titanic". I saw it once, I did not like it, I have never re-watched it, and I have never logged on to the IMDB Titanic page, much less taken the time to post a message there.
Certainly you have the right to your opinion, and certainly you have the right to express said opinion. I am only curious what you get out of it.
Some people have an ax to grind, for example they may come here because they hate John Wayne and want to express their views. Some people are just trolls and they are generaly pathetic fools who want attention (Daddy probably never hugged them or something). But you do not seem to fall into those categories.
So I am only curious, not so much to why you do not like Rio Bravo, but in general why waste your time reading and discussing (and getting upset about) something you "really, really dislike"
To be honest, I have matured a bit since. But I get bored sometimes and obsess over film and how movies are regarded and such. I've been watching through movies on They Shoot Pictures, Don't They's list of top 1000 films. Film is the most important part of my life and I want to get into making films myself.
I look at IMDB message boards for almost everything, including films I absolutely hate cause it interests me seeing other perspectives and such. I hated this film quite a lot when I watched it and have been meaning to perhaps give it another watch, but sometimes I obsess over silly things like that and such. Probably an ego thing
I am not being a troll, and yeah if anyone really likes it than okay I can accept that, some people probably enjoy Uwe Boll movies.
But yeah, it does seem a bit pointless. However Angie Dickinson was horrendously bad and that is definitely worth mentioning.
I never thought you were being a troll. Not liking a movie and stating it does not make you a troll. To be a troll you would need to make insulting or obviously controversial comments just to wind people up.
I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. In hind site I realized there have been times when I have watched a movie and it thought it was so bad that I logged into IMDB to see if anyone liked it. Sure enough there is always someone who loves movies that I think are terrible.
I am curious though, what is is about Rio Bravo that you do not like? Do you like other Howard Hawks movies? Is it John Wayne you do not enjoy, or perhaps you just do not like westerns?
Thank you again for you time.
No worries, happy to answer film questions. I love westerns actually, though traditional westerns are sometimes not my thing as I feel like I'm watching a fantasy version of outdated ideals and none of the characters feel legitiment. My favourite westerns are probably Once Upon a Time in the West, High Noon and McCabe and Mrs Miller is pretty great. Oh and yeah, the good the bad and the ugly is a classic and stagecoach is also awesome.
I do dislike John Wayne, but I can usually watch a Wayne movie happily and such, such as Stagecoach as I said above. I just thought the movie was very bland and the characters felt really lame to me. The colour scale was really murky and every looked the same colour and through most of the movie felt like nothing was happening, and while many movies can pull that off, theres usually some theme or feeling coming accross that keeps you going, in this i found nothing. Also loving High Noon and feeling that that is much better movie, at least in terms of acting (Cooper is amazing) that the idea of Rio Bravo being made as an anti high noon kind of rubs me wrong. I ended up making the film black and white which made it a bit more watchable.
I like Howard Hawks comedies and Bringing Up Baby is hilarious. Red River was a fun film as well, though the ending a little rushed I found it pretty good. I find him to be a bit overrated but then again he's made such a diverse mix of films and genres that I cannot deny that the man is quite talented. When it comes to the classic hollywood directors Billy Wilder is my man over him any day though.
This reply has been a bit clustered, but I've enjoyed writing it. What are your opinions of Rio Bravo?
I think Rio Bravo is the best of the rest for John Wayne westerns. I place Wayne's westerns in three basic categories:
1. The masterpieces - Searchers, True Grit, The Cowboys, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, Hondo, etc.
2. The Typical (movies where Wayne place the classic "Duke" character) - Rio Bravo, El Dorado, Sons of Katie Elder, War Wagon, McClintock, Big Jake, etc.
3. The Oaters - The Man From Utah, Rainbow Valley, The Big Trail, etc.
Rio Bravo is the best of the second category.
I do really enjoy almost all John Wayne movies and generally hold the man in high regard. I am also a huge Fan of Dean Martin and think his performance in Rio Bravo is top notch.
I also really enjoy High Noon and agree that Coopers performance is great. However, I disagree that it is more realistic. I have trouble believing that a town full of tough hard scrabble pioneers would be cowed by four bad guys. History shows many examples of towns standing up to outlaws.
In general I agree with you that Billy Wilder is the better director but there are a couple of Hawks' movies I think are better than anything Wilder did. "To Have And Have Not" and "Bringing Up Baby", and "His Girl Friday" are all very high on my list of greatest movies. "Some Like It Hot" is the only Wilder movie that hits that level for me.
I am getting long winded, so I had better stop. I am enjoying the conversation.
In a comedic sense I could probably see myself agreeing with you, though I find the Apartment to be hilarious. I love Wilder's cynical sense of humour. Haven't seen To Have and Have Not yet actually, I should get around to that. I also love Double Indemnity and Sunset Blvd and to a lesser extend Ace in the Hole. Though yeah aside from those five films Billy Wilder somewhat blends in with all the other directors of that time, but those five are particularly amazing to me, Some Like it Hot being one of them.
I feel like High Noon makes it clear that the town has been clear and out of danger for many years and the townspeople have grown accustomed to that state of affairs and are not prepared for any violence per say. Also in the real historical west there were far less shoot outs or violence as cinema would have you believe. Also, the town seems to feel that the violence will only come if Kane is there, and feels that a violent confrontation could be avoidable completely if he were to leave. This throws into question whether or not he is being noble, or being self righteous in a way. At least thats how I saw it, but to an extent you could say theres some flaws to that logic. I get that the film is a alegory to a political message that got the screenwriter blacklisted and sent out of america, though I still see it as a superior movie about sticking to your convictions and standing up for yourself and being a man. I also just love Cooper's acting haha. I guess you can get some of these morals from Rio Bravo, it just felt kind've unreal and almost disney towards the ending in which I felt unlike High Noon there was almost no tension at all, which I guess was Rio Bravo's thing. Just a long movie about people who stick together and through being together they are against something that is really no threat at all. Dean Martin's alcoholism felt a bit hokey to me as well. But yeah enough about that
That was long and I am not good at expressing my arguments as I think of everything at once and have no real structure but yeah, I better run, got some things to do and such. If you'd like I can give you my email and skype or something and we can discuss movies and such.
Sorry it has taken so long to reply. Busy, busy, busy.
I think you may have hit on the main difference between Hawks and Wilder and between High Noon and Rio Bravo for that matter. I think it may be a general feeling of cynicism vs optimism.
I am an optimist by nature and am more drawn towards stories and movies with an optimistic philosophy or style. I do not find myself as drawn to movies where the main characters are nebbish or depressed, and where the theme is one of hopelessness. I think a person is drawn to movies that they can relate to on a personal level, and I have never been like that and find it hard to relate to that type of character or message.
Believe me, I am no Pollyanna. I have had my fair share of pain and disappointment. But I have maintained my belief in the basic good in mankind and in my own ability to resolve and overcome any problem.
I think Hawks movies have that feeling that hard work and perseverance can over come any obstetrical, and the righteous will usually triumph in the end. Wilder's movies tend to have a more hopeless feeling. Hawks characters tend to blaze a trail, Wilder's characters tend to float with the current. This is of coarse a gross over simplification.
I also do not mean to imply one style is superior to the other, it is just a matter of taste.
I think this explains why I prefer Rio Bravo over High Noon. The quality is probably about the same, but I relate much more to the characters in Rio Bravo. They closer match my world view. High Noon may be closer to the way it really is, but Rio Bravo is more the way it ought to be.
I would enjoy continuing our conversation elsewhere. I am afraid I am a bit of a dinosaur. I have a Skype account, but other than for work I never use it. I also do not want to post personal information (such as an email address) on an open forum. There is however an option that IMDB has to contact someone through them. Look at my profile and click the "send message" option and we can exchange contact info in that more private option.