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Without the looming annihilation of the cold war..........this is boring


Without the looming annihilation of the cold war..........this is boring self indulgence at its worst.

This movie requires the all encompassing terror of MAD, the original MAD. It requires a cuban missile crisis reality, to appreciate just how close we came to living this. For people to young to remember that reality it might just as well be a movie about 3 heroine addicts stoned out of their gourds sitting in an opium den exchanging their fantasies about what the end of mankind will be like.

I can remember going to the premiere, Gregory Peck, captain of a nuclear sub, in a Stanley Kramer movie about a nuclear war. I expected action. My eyes rolled back in my head just before I nodded off. I hated it then, and it snot, (a typo, but telling.....should have been its not) improved with time.

Trust me, use the 2 hours elsewhere. Get a root canal, or a rectal tonsillectomy, you'll prefer it.

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I think you're right about one thing. The movie has little relevancy today in that the ridiculous terror threat the government raises every time they want to remove another civil liberty pales in comparison to having 9,000 nuclear weapons aimed at you. I first watched it with my mother after my first year at university in 1969. I then read the book. Honestly, I haven't seen it twice but not because it's boring (I happen to like Greg Peck, Fed Astaire, and Ava Gardner and could watch them anytime in almost any film) but because it as so depressing real. I can't think of any film with a sadder or more poignant ending but if you didn't experience it then it seems unreal... only it wasn't unreal. People living today and who were not alive 50 years ago have no comprehension of what terror really means.

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i thought it was depressing as hell but i liked it a lot more than most people here i guess (ava i thought had some really great moments, i really like her later career work) i think tagging this as quaint or passe is kidding ourselves though, (the near disaster in japan a reminder perhaps) kramer did kind of over-hammer the point home in the final shot but still a good flick

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Not sure why you call it a near disaster in Japan- it may be off the headlines, but the danger is real that much more radiation could be released in the atmosphere. And that's not even mentioning worse catastrophes that could happen at other nuclear power plants.

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Interesting reading the other replies of the film being boring.

I saw this on TV in the mid 60s, and again a few years later. It was a very moving film then, and has some application today, though the immediacy of the nuclear threat is nowhere in the same universe as during the cold war.

A few "duck and cover" routines a year in school were enough to keep us at least anxious back then. Now extinction events and near-extinction events come on film every other year.

Not offended that I was moved and many of your bored, btw. We all have our tastes.

One aspect of the movie that tugged at me was that there was this high pitch of dignity and decorum on top of this low level drumming of impending doom. We know we're all going to die, all of us, now what?

The title of the book comes from TS Eliot poem The Hollow Men:

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river.

Of which the last lines of the poem is the famous:

This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper

There weren't any apocolyptic films or books of note then, so it was interesting
that OTB seized a POV that would be different than what we would expect - a
heroic battle of good vs evil, with somehow the few remaining good ppl would find some way to survive.

The fishing scene was immensely moving to me. The raucous overly repetitive howling of "Waltzing Matilda" was annoying and boring, but set up the scene where the baritone sings the beautiful last refrain with the four part harmony. This is classic Kramer, the repetitive use of a popular tune to get a particular idea or conclusion, while threading it throughout a film.

Kramer, of course, didn't use the TS Eliot poem in his film. It puzzled me, then, how he expected the title of the film to fit in with his film.

He had a dialogue between Mary and Peter toward the end. Mary had been aloof and crazy throughout the film, then came to a moment of clarity.

Peter: You remember when we first met? It was on the beach. I thought you were everything I'd always wanted

Mary: I thought you were so underfed

The rest of the dialogue was how the next day and the next day he waited and she didn't come.

Then she finally showed up again, the dialogue afterward, she agreed to the suicide pills.

Throughout the film, I found Mary to be quite tiresome, demanding, and *beep* to watch. That scene established who she really was, who Peter got to know and love, and we got to see the two of them together in a fashion that wasn't uncomfortable.

I don't know if it was Kramer's intent in the screenplay, but I always juxtaposed those two scenes in my head, always had, the final beautiful stanza on the edge of the billabong, and the loving story "on the beach" where they
first met.

And his ghost may be heard as your ride beside the billabong, you'll never catch me alive cried he.

Having seen Kramer's films, this was no accident. Kramer employs the same device with Judgement at Nuremberg with Lilli Marlene.







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Those who were expecting some F/X laden film about annihilation totally missed the point. This is a movie about human beings forced to face the end, and how it slowly creeps up on us after the film starts out with many still trying to preserve a sense of normalcy to their lives until the telltale signs slowly begin. And as one who feels that Stanley Kramer could be one of the most annoyingly pretentious directors in all of Hollywood (this is why "Inherit The Wind" and "Judgment At Nuremberg" won't be on my rewatch list again ever), I was more impressed by the restraint he showed in this film by NOT going into the matter of how the war started, because that wasn't the point. The film was about the human beings reacting to an impending doom.

I love Ava Gardner's performance in this film. Not only is she radiant (the two piece swimsuit she wears with her hair wet captures her at her best), but there is also the poignant, near autobiographic quality of her performance since she too suffered from alcohol problems and also the whole "unlucky at love" syndrome for pretty much all her life. And now, when she finally gets to experience love for the first time in her life it's at a time when its too late.

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This movie reminded me a lot of the foreign films of the 50s and 60s - Antonioni's and Ozu's mostly. Personally, I find all their films boring except for 1-2.

But maybe of the subject matter and the language, I felt I understood the complexities each of the characters in On The Beach are facing. Kramer did a very good job expressing the characters in this film, and I felt each scene had a purpose (unlike Antonioni's and Ozu's - which really seem to drag one just too much) and evoked the appropriate feelings of outward doom and uncertainty and introspection with questions such as 'what is my purpose in the world?', 'what keeps me going even though I know death is imminent', 'why is life worth living'? From the audience's perspective, I think it shows our lives all have the potential to be beautiful, which is ironic as the subject matter is certain death.

I suppose I ask myself these questions everyday, so it was easy to connect with the film and the subject matter. But certainly I have felt bored with a lot of highly rated movies, so I understand sometimes I just do not follow or care to follow what's going on.

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