One of my favorite films. It respected its audience’s intelligence. Use this line today, and it’ll sail over the viewers’ heads at warp speed. The Id comes from Freudian psychology, one of the three components of our psyche: Id, Ego and Superego. Grab some schmo on the street today and ask him/her what “the Id” is, if you want a good laugh.
People were less stupid in the 50s than they are today.
Freudian theory has gone out of style. A short article I read in New York Review of Books a few months back says that most experts now dismiss his theories, and view him as a crackpot.
Feminists and therefore liberals hate Freud. Feminists recoil at penis envy! 🤣 He's out fashion, yes. But these things are cyclical. Freud is already enjoying a comeback in some Academic circles.
We live in a patriarchal society to begin with. Is there a society on earth which hasn't been male dominated? Okay, there's that one tribe in New Guinea, but oh well.
Female children pick up on this male dominance which they subliminally associate with the penis. This is not rocket science. Do most boys want to be like girls? "Sissy" is a slur word used to devalue effeminate boys. There is no negative connotation to the word "tomboy" however.
I understand where you're coming from. Nevertheless, all of those female attributes are grounds for envy, especially the ability to create/birth human life. So, if there's "penis envy" there's also "womb envy," "breast envy," etc. It can be applied both ways and that's one reason why it's so eye-rolling to single out "penis envy."
Also, male domination isn't as all-encompassing as you seem to suggest. There are realms of female domination everywhere -- relationships, marriages, families, clans, classrooms, colleges, businesses, organizations, nations -- just open your eyes. The wife of one of my brothers, for example, totally rules the roost.
As far as patriarchal societies go, historical Israel was generally patriarchal and yet Deborah led the nation spiritually, politically, legally and militarily for 40 years (Judges 4-5). The most qualified male, Barak, wouldn’t even go into battle without her presence. Even in the Judeo-Christian Godhead the Holy Spirit provides spiritual birth (Titus 3:5). Is that a male quality or female?
Moreover, in many situations males might seem to be running the show when, in actuality, it's females behind the scenes calling the shots. Is that "male domination" or "female domination"?
Couldn't any of these many examples of "female domination" be grounds for envy on a male's part? Obviously.
At the end of the day life is a joint enterprise. For instance, neither of us would even exist without both a male and a female, not to mention healthy upbringing/character/education depends on both positive male and female input.
Well the Freudian theory is about young females in very early childhood.
This is the mistake modern analysts make. No one is saying an adult female is envious of make junk or wants to be a man. Lol.
And you're right. In most homes the woman rules the roost. She's the domestic goddess so to speak. She runs the household. So "penis envy" is not a slam against female equality.
It speaks to subliminal development on a very fundamental level. Hormones and biology make the male child more aggressive and dominant. When the child looks at adults they see men in controlling positions.
So that thaaang dangling between our legs takes on a symbolic significance in the child's mind. This is what Freud meant by penis envy. It's not some transgender wish by females to be males.
I don't think he's viewed as a crackpot in the mental health professions, he's still considered the founder of the mental health sciences. But a founder who was wrong about a hell of a lot of things.
But yeah, nobody talked about the Id any more, they talk about personality disorders.
The emergence of psychology as a separate and independent field of study truly came about when Wilhelm Wundt established the first experimental psychology lab in Leipzig, Germany in 1879.
Most audience members in 1958 probably didn't get the Freudian references any more than people would today. It was just psychobabble in the script to make it sound sophisticated, and was explained sufficiently in dialogue so that the audience could follow the plot.
I agree. Many of the FX were done by Rotoscoping, that is, an animator went through the shot frame-by-frame and literally drew on it. It is a primitive, painstaking FX technique. There is a credit in the film thanking Walt Disney
Studios for the loan of 1 of their animators (I don’t recall his name offhand).
People do the best that we can with what we have got. This has always been true. I submit that a powerful story will always compensate for primitive FX, because the audience is engaged in the story and suspends disbelief for the side dishes.
Forbidden Planet is Shakespeare’s Tempest. Literally. Stories don’t get much more compelling than that.
To make a direct comparison of FX tech, let’s consider Clash of the Titans. The original used stop-motion FX by the master, Ray Harryhausen. Painstaking, slow, primitive; also, amazing! The remake used digital. I’ve yet to encounter ANYONE who thinks the remake is even as good as the original. They even trotted out Ray Harryhausen’s golden mechanical owl as an homage to the original. I applaud them for that humility.
Not for nothing, Michael Rennie’s performance as Klatuu eviscerates Keanu Reeves, though I acknowledge that the remake was saddled with Will Smith’s vomitous baby alleged boy.
I still take pleasure in knowing this movie was part of the inspiration Gene Roddenberry had for coming up with "Star Trek" less than a decade later :D If you watch the TOS show closely, you can can see a little bit of elements from "Forbidden Planet" hidden here and there all over the show. Like in one episode, the doors in this underground lab resembled the Krell doors from "Forbidden Planet," but orange.
Amerigirl, I completely agree that the continuity from Day the Earth Stood Still and Star Trek is comforting, amazing and encouraging insofar as it confirms a basic human hope that good things can happen in this world, as imperfect as we are. I know we all crave a sense of continuity, of dependability, in our world and in our lives. This is why family and cultural traditions—like holidays—mean so much to us. They GROUND us. I really like your observation about the link between Stood Still and Star Trek. They share the same message of hope and faith.
I fell instantly in love with
Trek as a little boy. I sometimes wonder what happened to the network exec who decided to cancel it. I wonder the same about the genius who cancelled The Twilight Zone.