No way - period.


This was a steaming pile of _____ compared to "A Bridge Too Far" and "The Longest Day" - neither of which even made the list for the war genre. Who voted for this crap?

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I forgot about this post until I looked at my profile. It's fun to look at what gets posted in response to something so long ago. There were some solid points made. I think I should clarify my initial point about making the list for "war genre." If you click IMDB's "top movies" link near the top of the page, you can see results by genre. At the time "Mister Roberts" was in the top 50 war genre films. I disagreed and thought "A Bridge Too Far" and "The Longest Day" (neither of which appeared on the list) were better WW2 films than "Mister Roberts." Since my original post, "Mister Roberts" has fallen out of the top 50 to 7.8 out of ten, needing 7.9/10 to make the top 50. Time tells apparently. I do agree with what one person wrote about the plot not actually being about combat/battle/war, which is exactly why I agree with the point that it is not a "war" movie which is why it should not be in the top 50.

Also, the "shoot 'em up" style is not the only style I appreciate. It does, coincidently however, fit the two other films I named, so that is at best a shallow attempt to insult my point. Camaraderie, friendship, monotony, leave time, and comedy are all better portrayed in many other war genre films. All I'm saying is "Mister Roberts" was not better than a lot of other war movies that didn't make the top 50. Apparently, two years of voting has proved me correct.

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The only thing that time tells is that American culture in a free-fall state of deterioration. I don't doubt that anybody who likes rap "music," thinks men should wear earrings, shave their heads smooth but their faces only every few days, and thinks that smoking a little recreational "grass" is "cool," or thinks that Janet Jackson stripping in the middle of the Superbowl was funny, stands a fair chance of not understanding Mr. Roberts or why it is so special. No doubt these are the same people who would never consider joining the armed forces themselves but leave others to do their fighting for them. And no, after screening dozens of "war" movies for at least 40 years I know of no other film that deals with the relationship between the leaders and the led anywhere as effectively as this one. Of course, if you have never been there yourself but think spending lots of your spare time playing video games and otherwise absorbed in other forms of the bogus "tech" that has so overwhelmed the world to the detriment of better things anymore, you wouldn't know that.

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My father was an enlisted man on a Navy cargo ship during World War II. He always maintained that "Mr. Roberts" was one of the most true-to-life movies he had ever seen.

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It was a great war film, because it depicted what life was like for the hidden minority of WWII veterans; those who spent the war on cargo hauling non-combatant vessels. It showed that not all men who went off to war really "went off to war."

I think of this movie whenever I see photos of U.S. Navy sailors from the first and second world war who were doomed to serve as water barge crewmen, short-haul freighters such as the Reluctant, and other small tender vessels that didn't see so much as a shell burst on the high seas during the war.

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Of all the foolish posts on this wonderful film yours is by far the most foolish.

A Bridge Too Far is not a particularly good movie and like THe Longest Day they are serious war films.

This was a bittersweet comedy.

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I couldn't agree more. This movie wasn't funny in the least--war comedies should be like M*A*S*H or Catch 22. You know, where they show guys decapitated and stuff. Instead of having Ensign Pulver merely read his buddy's letter at the end, wherein we learn of Mr. Roberts' death, they should have shown the actual kamikaze attack on his carrier. Maybe they could have had him even mutter a few, ironic lines as he expires. That would've made the film a lot more realistic. It certainly would have made it so way cooler.

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When are they going to require adult age verification on this site? Obviously there are a lot of people on here that had no idea what this movie was all about (it's about PEOPLE, not explosions) and my first-blush impression is to attribute that to youth and inexperience (or should we take a leaf from the book of this movie and reference "the forces of ignorance, arrogance, and stupidity . . .")

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Gatorman9, I couldn't agree with you more!

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"Gator",

I just watched Mr. Roberts last night with my family. As someone who falls in the "middle" age-wise I'd like to say that your assessments are right-on. I do agree however, with the post that criticized the whole "fake Scotch" sub plot. I thought it could have been improved on.

I had just turned 18 when "Star Wars" came out. While a great leap was made in special effects, even George Lucas has admitted the simplicity of the plot line.

The point is that the sum of what most of those younger than me know is explosions and car chases. Movies like "Mister Roberts" and "Rear Window" are extremely difficult for a Gen-X or younger person to sit through because of the lack of strobe-like scene changes, fights, nudity, language, etc. Thats all they know. And they actually think things will get better if they just drop a couple of grand on a high definition TV!

I do believe that those unfortunate souls who haven't learned to appreciate the humanity in earlier films can be rehabilitated, but it won't be easy. You have to take away their energy drinks, cell phones and the like, tie them up, and force them to sit still and pay attention!

BTW, my 11 year old son laughed his a-- off last night, especially when Jack Lemmon burst into his quarters covered in soap bubbles. I too was rolling over at his exclamations to the Doc and Mr. Roberts, Jack was brilliant!

As a side note I'm reminded of another 1977 movie "Network" (Peter Finch's last starring role) Watch it now and see how much of it has come to be true, especially with the proliferation of "reality" TV.

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Yeah, your comments about the kids are coming from every person I seem to meet in my age bracket these days. :(((

And yes, *Network* is right on. And if they ever make a movie with Dick Cheney in it, they should get Robert Duvall to play him!

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First of all, Gatorman, while I'm about to disagree with you, sowaycooler was trying to agree with you in a sarcastic way. Apparently people didn't get that. He seemed to me to be criticizing modern movies for being too literal, too violent and too quick to throw around ironic little quips rather than truly develop human characters.

But my larger reason for replying is to suggest you stereotype a little less and engage in a little more sophisticated criticism when you're trying to paint an entire generation as simplistic fools. I am a member of the reviled Generation X, but I don't fit most of your inane stereotypes of people my age.

I don't really care for rap music; I don't wear any jewelry other than a watch; I have short but professional hair and shave my face every single day; I've never smoked or used any drugs; I was upset my son saw Janet Jackson's display. (Not that my taste in music or my appearance would be an effective measure of my intelligence or taste in films.)

Having said all of that, I didn't really care much for Mister Roberts. I wanted to very badly, because I LOVE Jack Lemmon and greatly admire Henry Fonda, James Cagney and William Powell. But I just couldn't find the film interesting.

There are a lot of older films that are absolute gems. I would rank several of John Ford's films well ahead of this one, most notably The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The Searchers. That doesn't make me a bad person, and it doesn't have to be a personal affront to you or your generation.

And incidentally, to the poster who called this Jack Lemmon performance one of the greatest screen debuts ever, that might have been true if this hadn't been his fourth feature film. It Should Happen to You was his debut, and you can still catch it on Turner Classic Movies every once in a while. I've never seen what IMDB lists as his second and third films, Phffft or Three for the Show.

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Sowaycooler,

The movie was done that way probably to show the REALITY of war.

And your line "maybe they could have had him even mutter a few,ironic lines..." is WAY off the mark. By this time, Mr. Roberts had transferred off of the Reluctant, and the position has been passed to Ensign Pulver, who does his best to hold it together until he can berate the captain.

"...way cooler"? Oh puhleeze. The movies of today can't hold a candle to Mr. Roberts or GOOD movies made in the 30's-late '50's. The 'actors" of today are more concerned with how much $$ they'll get instead of WORKING for a living and making a film that people will remember 50 years from now. The Brad Pitts, the Angelina Jolies will fade away(and with good reason!), but Fonda, Katherine Hepburn, and the Barrymores will be remembered, always.

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Mr. R was a great movie, but more about a ship and people that were OUT of the war. I think it was a great warTIME movie but not a great war movie.

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Probably the same people who voted for other crappy war movies like 'The Great Escape' and 'All Quiet on the Western Front' or maybe even garbage like 'Sgt. York' and 'Saving Private Ryan.' God knows those movies would NEVER stand up to the superior acting in 'A Bridge Too Far!' Ryan O'Neal deserved something for THAT tour de force!

Catch the dripping sarcasm there, sport?

'A Bridge Too Far' was probably the most captivating book about WWII I have ever read. I literally could not put that book down once I started it. The same goes for Cornelius Ryan's other two books, 'The Longest Day' and 'The Last Battle' but if you ask pretty much anyone out there, including actors involved in the movie, they will tell you the films are really not well done and pale in comparison to the books. Think about it.

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Bingo on the Cornealius Ryan books vs. the films. Amazing books!

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Mr. Roberts was the only work of Thomas Heggen, a newspaperman from Minnesota, who worked for the Reader's Digest before and after his Naval Service during WWII.

Mister Roberts is a short novella, a bittersweet comedy set in the "junkyard" navy of cargo and supply craft. I picked up the book as a teenager, and laughed out loud several times during the read.

Heggen co-adapted the story successfully to the stage, and the movie version followed.

Heggen was a troubled fellow, who committed suicide. Here is a long quotation from Grumpy Old Bookman:

"Tom eventually formed a working partnership with Joshua Logan, who was then a highly prestigious and successful theatre director.

While Tom was trying to convert Mister Roberts into a stage play, in collaboration with Joshua Logan, he was still trying to write novel number two. But he couldn’t write and he couldn't sleep, and was prescribed fast-acting barbiturates as a cure. However, even Seconal did not work and he tended to drink his way into unconsciousness. He was only five feet eight to begin with, and he soon lost weight.

When finished, the stage version of Mister Roberts proved to be smash hit on Broadway. There was so much laughter during the last rehearsal that it added twenty minutes to the running time. Emlyn Williams (of all people) was drafted in to make some cuts, which he managed to do without damage.

Being the author of a Broadway hit meant that, like Ross Lockridge before him, Tom Heggen became rich and famous. Attractive women formed an orderly queue outside his bedroom door. He was earning $2,000 a week from the play, at a time when that was serious money.

But there were still some huge creative problems. Tom found that, as a writer, he had become dependent on the collaboration with Joshua Logan. His creative juices just did not flow without help. ‘I don’t know how I wrote Mister Roberts,’ he told a friend. It was spirit writing.’ And Joshua Logan, of course, had other fish to fry.

Tom tried psychoanalysis; and he was by now addicted to barbiturates, using twenty a day, on top of copious amounts of booze. He knew that he was doing himself irreversible damage.

On Wednesday 18 May 1949, Tom Heggen’s cleaning lady found him dead in the bath. The cause of death was described by the Medical Examiner as ‘Submersion in fresh water in bathtub. Probable suicide.’

As with Ross Lockridge, there really isn’t any doubt that Tom Heggen committed suicide. But even if we were to accept that either of these writers died by accident, the fact is that they were both dead men walking around like zombies. They had risen to dizzy heights. They each yearned to write another book. But neither of them knew how to do it. Success and all that goes with it had destroyed them completely."

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This isn't really a war movie in the usual sense of the word. There's no combat, no shooting, just the sound of thunder at a picnic. The sailors and officers stuck in the backwater of the Pacific Theater may wish they could see a little action, but that's another irony of the story: No one wants to die, or die a hero, except, perhaps, Mister Roberts. It's a tragedy, in the end, because Mister Roberts dies at the end.

As to whether the movie should or should not be considered a "war movie" there are instances (in military comedies) where the setting is little more than a pretext for the cluster of actors to make sad jokes. But Mister Roberts is not one of these; it is a story set during wartime, and its counterpoint is the danger and loathing which always accompany a time of conflict. But it's no action flick. Searching for Private Ryan, a genuine war movie, replete with lots of violence and scalp-tightening action, is. Just because a movie doesn't fit a convenient categorical profile, doesn't mean it is a failure. Quite the contrary.

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I love the actors in this movie, but good lord I was so attempted to delete it from my DVR after 45 min, 70 min, 90 min, 100 min...It was just so tedious and the only reason I let it play (half-paying attention) was to try to see why it is rated so high. This is after I watched another overrated Henry Fonda movie "The Lady Eve." I thought Robert Osborne was going to say it was the greatest comedy of all time. I found it only barely witty and found "Mister Roberts" a one laugh per hour snooze fest (that's 2.5 laughs if you are counting).

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what an idiotic statement. seriously, only a douche could not see the humor and humanity in this. usually I deride flamers, but in this case I'm not flaming, I'm illuminating

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