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didn't anybody care how judy LOOKED in this movie?


I can think of perhaps three scenes, one of them at the Academy Awards, where she looks halfway decent. Never does she look anything near a movie star. She looks plain, unattractive, old, and sometimes downright ugly. Sure, she wasn't classically beautiful, but if you contrast her appearance in this film with how she looks in her later MGM pics beginning with Meet Me In St. Louis, and then, only at the Christmas scene, but through some of her scenes in Easter Parade, In The Good Old Summertime,The Pirate-- it's like MGM knew how to make her look okay, but Warner Bros., where Star was filmed, didn't have a clue. Just my opine, but is there anybody who thinks she looks GOOD in Star?

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wow I can't believe I just read ALL of that - i really need to get out more! lol now my turn for a long answer! lol

Basically all I was going to say was this: With both Star and In The Good Old Summertime, I honestly didn't notice her weight fluctuating at all. I actually prefer the way she looks and sounds in her 30s and early 40s- during Star and the few clips I've seen of her show (ie smile and as long as he needs me). I prefer a healthy and happy looking Judy, and if you want to call a good healthy weight fat, then go ahead. Don't forget that the camera adds 10 pounds to you. I'm 5'3" and a size 10 dress size (uk... i don't know what this is in US... size 4 or something) but if you stuck me on camera next to Paris Hilton and stick insects like her, I would look like a clinically obese midget. (Which I can safely say I'm not). For people going on about how she looks old - she's lived a heck of a life! she's put that poor body of hers through so much, is it any surprise she doesn't look like she sleeps in a tank of formaldehyde? we all age differently - some are lucky and some arent and it's going to happen to all of us sooner or later. It's not a fault, it's just nature (helped along a bit by diet and lifestyle).

How can anyone call this ugly?
http://www.thejudyroom.com/asib/photos/pictures/garland7.html

I liked her hair - the fringe really suited her, I thought she looked amazing in 'the man that got away' - if i was a bloke, I would (if you get my meaning). I also like that she didn't have her makeup slapped on with a trowel. Maybe she doesn't look like the 'glamorous' and 'beautiful' Judy people are used to from the early films, but to me, that just makes her more human and real. What IS beauty anyway? maybe Lana Turner and Greta Garbo are only more beautiful than Judy because Hollywood told us they are. In the 14th century, women with surreally massive foreheads (as in severely plucked hairlines) were the 'beauties' women aspired to be and today it's the Anorexic size 00, spray-tan, surgically enhanced bottle-blondes that are the 'beauties' women and young girls are told (by the media) they should aspire to be. Judy's in great shape considering all the crap she's pumped into her body over the years, and the fact she's had two kids. If she was happy with her crooked teeth - then good for her! at least there was something about herself she was content with. For me, personally, If judy walked into my room right now without a stich of makeup and wearing a black bin liner, and sang 'over the rainbow' to me, I'd be just as bowled over as I would be if she turned up in full makeup in that red dress from Meet me in St Louis. She's the same person. Just because she looks a differently doesn't mean she IS any different - her performances in Star and Meet Me In Saint Louis are just as good as they were in In The Good Old Summertime and Easter Parade. She gives each role everything she's got - 110%- regardless of what is going on in her personal life, and that is as much as we can ask from any performer.

'Be a first rate version of yourself. Not a second rate version of someone else' - Judy Garland

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I've always thought that Judy was beautiful (and I'm comparing her to Lana and every other galmourpuss out there). I agreed, polo_tottie, her not being the cookie-cutter studio bombshell that some of the other stars were. To me, that's what I love about her. You felt that if you met her on the street you could walk up to her and say, "Hiya, Judy." Which, I think people did. LOL. She was real and you knew it. I don't know how people cane relate the stars of today to the stars of yesteryear. I mean, Paris Hilton has been compared to Grace Kelly. And I know, Grace Kelly *ew* but you have to admit, Paris is no Grace. Judy was Judy, and, to me, she's the greatest entertainer to ever live and I love her for it.

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in your opinion

'Be a first rate version of yourself. Not a second rate version of someone else' - Judy Garland

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In a LOT of people's opinions.

Seems to me, after a year of this, it's split about 50-50. That's
not really flattering to Judy.

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This thread was quite a read.
Lots of people say yes she didn't look her best but she had several issues going on at the time. The OP is not asking why she looked that way, but if anyone else thought the same. Don't attack him for just asking :)

One thing's for sure: I won't be able to watch this movie the next time without scrutinizing Judy and her clothes! I hope you didn't ruin the movie for me.

I'd like to basically repeat that I also agree to what someone said. Judy was not a classic beauty. And very much like your own mother, if that's the case, you don't want to say it, you want to say no to anyone who tries.
My recollection of Judy is Star is that she looks pretty, but all these posts make me think of Judy photographs out of movie, especially the late 50s pictures where her eyes are neglected, simply having eyeliner around them, bland base and red lipstick. I don't think she changed that style again afterwards and it's a real shame because she certainly could have looked much better by just using some eyeshadow. Regardless of what her skin or weight was like.

Now let me finish by saying that, and this has nothing to do with the original post, Judy could have looked worse, or better, it would not have changed the fact that people loved her because of her talent. Actually I think if he had looked prettier by nature, she might not have been so revered? I think there is always a bit of that outlandish talent paired with a non-pretty person that makes them stand out, for the better. Same applied to Barbra. I think we love her more for it.

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I must be the only person who thought that Garland's fluctuating weight added realism to the movie as it gave the impression of the passing of time. The scene when Vicki is in a shirt and leotard and reenacts the number she is rehearsing in the studio (Garland is noticeably thinner) made me think that she had been studio streamlined. It also reminded me of Edie Sedgwick's look in the mid 60s and I wondered if she'd been inspired by Garland in this movie.

Having read about Garland's battles with her weight, I quite enjoyed seeing her with a fuller figure. Whatever she does she's always interesting to watch because she's so talented.

The only scene that I thought she looked awful was in the introduction to 'I was born in a trunk / Swanee' where she was in a kind of mistral costume. Was she supposed to be blacked up as her face looked kind of strange...

As others have pointed out, it is easy to overlook her appearance because of her talent, both singing & acting, energy and sheer charisma on screen.

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You're just jealous because you aren't a big star like Judy.

Jealous people like you disgust me. Go take a bath, jealous person! Ha ha!

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Wow, what an awful thread. I really don't see why actresses have to "look good" in pictures, her character, as Judy in real life, was a star because she was an amazing artist. I don't think Judy was coneventionally beautiful, the pictures where she looked better were mostly the cause of her addiction, because MGM would force her to look good and be thin and work like crazy. Judy was naturally overweight, I don't see why that is so wrong. To me, anyone complaining she is unnatractive or ugly is just being shallow and stupid, considering all the troubles this woman went through. The important thing is that her performance is brilliant, and her voice is better than ever.

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I'm in the process of watching this, and actually am surprised at how good Garland looks. From only having seen still photos, I thought she didn't look so hot, but not so from watching the movie.

I think the above poster(and I didn't read all the posts) gets it. During the makeover scene when Norman makes her clean her face and take off everything the studio tried to fix. She keeps saying but this isn't right and that isn't right. His reply, you're right, but it's your talent. It's paraphrasing, but it's the jist of that scene. Who cares how you look, it should be your talent that matters.

As to original OP and the comment on not surprising that movie didn't recoup costs due to the flucuation of Garland's look and who wants to see a movie with someone like that, makes you wonder how Marie Dressler was one of the most popular stars of early talkies.

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It's been a long time since I read this entire thread, and I don't plan on reviewing it now.

Just let me say that I think people's main complaint about Judy's appearance is that she, because of her personal problems, aged badly, and at 32, appeared older than her years, and much too old to play the early 20-something Esther.

There were also her weight fluctuations which were even a problem during her MGM years. On her 4 foot 11 inch frame, any weight gain or loss was magnified, especially on a huge theater screen.

But, I can put all that aside: It's a movie. Suspension of disbelief. And while Judy was never considered classically beautiful, she always had a special kind of beauty and appeal, in my opinion.

The studio make-over scene, BTW, is thought to be a send-up of what MGM actually did to her in her early years: They put small rubber disks in her nostrils to make her nose turn up. They applied putty to the bridge of her nose. They gave her "snap on caps" to cover her perpetually crooked teeth.

And, when they first started filming OZ, they had her in a blonde, baby doll wig. Existing stills show her looking for all the world like Lolita Gale!

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wow i read through this thread and I am lmfao! The whole back and forth between the Op and the judyforme user had me rolling! lol. Someone accusing the other of satanic messages in their posts and the other threatening to report the other because the person disagreed and said they might not be so good looking themselves, threatening to report that as an attack after attacking Judy Garland the same way! lmao


I'm not sure I deserved the personal attack that you leveled at me. I'm reporting your response to IMDB



repeat, your personal attacks are unwarranted. I didn't attack you in the slightest way. And your Satanic references are downright scary. I have reported you and will report your latest comments as well. I'm just curious, though, why you've chosen me as the object of your wrath. I'm glad that you're unable to locate me, where I live, or my phone number. Perhaps you need to find a better outlet for your anger than anonymously posting things here at IMDB

satanic references? lmfao!
I know this is 2 years after the fact but thanks for the laugh Robert.


oh and I didn't think Judy looked as bad as some of you make it out but I just thought Judy looked older than she was in the film. In the 50's and 60's though she did look older than her actual age, but that had to be due to the years of pills. I mean before she died she was in her 40's and looked in her 60's.

"Farewell Ethel Barrymore, I must tear myself from your side" *rip*

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It may have just been my copy, but Garland looked almost green in many scenes, while James Mason looked gray.

Excepting the odd skin tones, I thought she looked fine. Sure, she looked ten years older than she did in Meet Me in St. Louis, but that's because she was ten years older. Plus, I have to imagine that the drug addictions and the twenty-five-hours-a-day schedule that MGM had on her for more than half her life (I think) took their toll. And Cukor didn't romanticize this film nearly as much as most musical directors at the time would have, so the lighting and makeup probably didn't try to cover up all her flaws the way MGM would have.

But that's just my opinion.

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.....what is the OBSESSION with dressing her as a boy???? I think that approach with the raggedy tramp clothes and burnt cork smudges for a beard, or those fakey freckles with the big straw hat, is so GIMMICKY! I guess it made her feel like a waif or something...but I hate it.
Just my opinion, but I always saw this as a carry-over from the tramp number she did with Astaire, and then used later in her stage shows.

Garland never saw herself high in the glamour department (which may account for her overall look in "Star"). And, rather than try to be something she felt she was not, she may have felt more comfortable with the "gamin look," the clown in baggy pants. Perhaps she felt more secure hiding behind this image, and maybe she felt it complimented her art. I dunno..... just an opinion.

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Incidentally, the two things she personally thought a woman had to possess to be "beautiful" (great hair and a great figure), she felt she lacked.
At four feet, eleven inches, they say she was built like an opera singer, barrel chested and short waisted, and with a natural tendency to be "chubby." She must have dieted strenuously to look as good as she did on screen during the MGM years. In fact, it's always hard to believe that she was so short. To my eye, the costumes or the camera angels always made her appear taller.

It's too bad Garland didn't feel more confident about her looks. She was quite pretty....and of course had other attributes that made her ENORMOUSLY attractive.
Most people would agree with you. But, from a young age, she suffered feelings of inferiority about her looks. MGM's diets and diet pills didn't help. And, Mayer supposedly referred to her lovingly as his "little hunchback!" Then, they usually cast her as the "buddy," rather than glamorous love interest. Many things conspired to cause her low self-esteem.

Personally, I think she had it all: face, eyes, lips, vulnerability, and God, that voice! And, don't forget those gorgeous legs. A million people can tell you you're wonderful but if you don't believe it, feel it inside, it all means nothing. Very sad.

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Man, what an interesting thread (and one that has lasted for three-and-a-half years, now!) Honestly, I had never given much thought to Garland's appearance in this film, before coming across this discussion.

But what the heck, I'll add my own two cents here. Now that I think of it, she didn't appear at her best throughout much of this picture. So, what was the problem? I really don't think it was her weight. After all, in "Summer Stock" Judy was heavier than in about ANY of her other MGM pictures, and I thought she looked absolutely gorgeous in that film... In this film, it's only in the "Born in a Trunk" sequence that I thought she looked very heavy; I believe this was filmed near the end of the shooting schedule, when her weight was on an upswing again.

So, if her weight wasn't the major factor, what was... It comes down to three things: cinematography, hair/make-up, and wardrobe. I think the new cinemascope lenses did cause some distortion, which didn't do any of the actors any favours. That was a problem right off the bat.

Also, her make-up didn't seem to be very flattering in this picture. Plus, the extremely short hair-styles that were popular in the 1950's didn't suit Judy's face at all, in my opinion. I think that more care with make-up/hair would have made a big difference.

Finally, a number of the costumes were simply terrible. Oh, she had some fine outfits---off the top of my head, she looked great in the opening scene tux, the Oscar gown, and the Melancholy Baby dress. (Heck, even the red outfit she was wearing when she was first signed to the studio was fun.) But these are off-set by some truly terrible choices, like the dress she was wearing at her party. (And her main outfit for Born in a Trunk didn't do her any favours either; neither did the rather orange-hued make-up.) A LOT more care should have been taken with her costuming; it makes a big difference. For instance, while she was quite thin in "Easter Parade," she was given one absolutely dreadful dress after another to wear in that picture; she was not at all at her best there either. While in contrast, she was heavier in "Summer Stock," but she looked stunning in her "Friendly Star" dress, with the star/snowflake designs....

All right, enough of this! I do enjoy this film, and have seen it numerous times over the years. Still hoping they'll find more of the footage; who knows?

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Well, I've got two cents as well, so I'll throw in, too.

There's a lot in what you say, october, and I'd add that, from the first shooting day to the last, Judy was on this picture for something like nine months. Given the constant fluctuations of both her weight and her health, she was bound to have some "bad-hair-face-body days," especially since they had to catch her at those times when she was ready to perform - which likely didn't always coincide with when she was looking her best.

I agree about some of the costumes, too, particularly that God-Awful, pink "screen-test" one. In the shot just after the dissolve, when Norman has finished re-doing her makeup, that's - for those few seconds - just about the best she looked in the entire film; then he takes the makeup towel off, and that hideous dress ruins the effect. She looked better in the towel!

Have you ever seen the B side supplements on the DVD - specifically, the alternate "The Man That Got Away" takes (the so-called "beige dress" versions)? I think she looks particularly good in the last one (shot mostly in medium close-up). I suppose this shouldn't be surprising, inasmuch as they were done fairly early in production. I actually prefer this version to the one finally used (sacrilege?) in every way: photography, staging, lighting, appearance and performance (I know; same audio track...but her "visual" interpretation is somewhat different, too).


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Wow, what a thread.

I don't think Judy looks terrible in this movie, but there were points in the film you could see the effects of her personal life seeping into the finished product and on her face/body. I also attribute a lot of it to the fact that she had shorter hair in this movie; I think with longer hair it made her look more feminine and softer.

But it takes nothing away from the performance.

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I think Judy looked better overall in the "beige" version of "The Man that Got Away." She was noticeably thinner in that take than she was in the final version, and I think her hairstyle was more flattering as well. I liked her rendition of the song better also. While of course she was singing along to the same pre-recorded track in all the filmed takes, in the "beige" version she doesn't smile as much as she did in the final cut---she looks more melancholy, which really fits the lyrics of the song.

However, I will say that the brown dress she was wearing was NOT very flattering---didn't do her any favours---and the set overall looked very drab, so I can see why they didn't end up using this take in the finished film. Still, in some ways I think it's superior to the final version.

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I think part of the problems with Judy's look in this film is partly due the hideous hair and makeup styles that were in fashion during that period. Between that heavy handed triple whammy of pancake powder, liquid foundation so thick you could repair the holes in an aircraft carrier with it and lack of variety when it came to lipstick color (everybody could wear red, right?) it's a wonder that ANYONE much less Judy could ever look pretty in it. That put-on-with-a-trowel appearance aged her so much that it made her look almost matronly instead of a woman just out of her 20s. Too bad too, cos during the scene with the cosmeticians you can see how youthful her bare skinned face really was despite her severe chemical dependancy. As for the clods who designed the rest of her look for the film...wholly merde! That hairstyle... again, I know it was the fashion back then to tame unruly locks with industrial strength hairsprays, pomades and setting lotion,but what they did to Judy...EEEK! Especially in the "Someone" mock production number when she's running her fingers thru her bangs....every time I see it, I think of the "hair gel" bit from "Something about Mary"...ick!

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I totally agree. There's no question that Lana Turner was a gorgeous woman, whether she's to one's taste or not is a different matter, but all of her soft sexuality was just ruined in "Imitation Of Life" with the hard-edged 50s style makeup. Off the top of my head, the only actress I can recall who really got away with that look somehow was Elizabeth Taylor. I know there were others who managed it, but she comes quickly to mind (ie, Cat On A Hot Tin Roof). Oh, and Grace Kelly looked good in it, but she kept her hair in the soft waves anyway, rather than the hard stiff 50s styles. I could surely think of more actresses who managed it if I looked them up. Joan Crawford was not one of them, lol, and I thought she was quite attractive in her 30s films. My beloved Norma Shearer even didn't quite manage it-I've seen pics of her from the late 40s and 50s when this more consciously made-up "glamour" started becoming the vogue, and the stiffer, puffier hair didn't suit her face at all. Although that may also have been a function of just sheer age, the jawline and all.

But Judy had gorgeous legs, and she knew it, hence all the top halves of black tie costuming. Somehow a lot of short-waisted women seem to have beautiful legs.







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I agree - Garland looked the best in the second version. Her hair, her
makeup and her weight were far more attractive (she looks the worst in
the first version). She also looks much younger in the beige version
and I also agree her facial expressions are far more intriguing. However,
there's no denying the stunning lighting in the final version. So much
care went into the making of this film. Truly remarkable that Garland
would shoot this three times. Warner's and Cukor really respected her
genius, at least (in Warner's case) in the beginning.

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There is a FANTASTIC write-up on YouTube on this sequence, suggesting that the three takes of "Man" with the various costumes, hair styles, and lighting evoke atmosphere attributed to three different singers: Take #1 (pink blouse, day lighting) evokes Patsy Cline. Take 2 (brown dress, serving coffee) evokes Edith Piaf, and take #3 (final one, dark dress, background in muted red hues) evokes Billie Holiday. Oddly enough, I couldn't disagree with any of those choices!!

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Take #1 (pink blouse, day lighting) evokes Patsy Cline. Take 2 (brown dress, serving coffee) evokes Edith Piaf, and take #3 (final one, dark dress, background in muted red hues) evokes Billie Holiday. Oddly enough, I couldn't disagree with any of those choices!!

Can't say that I see it.

The vocal track is the same throughout. The only things that change are the lighting, costumes, and staging.

The different looks didn't evoke anything to me. It was all Judy.

Overall comparisons to Piaf are reasonable. The two ladies had a lot in common, in their physicality, art, and life.

But, I never think of Patsy Cline and Judy in the same breath.

Holiday is also in a class of her own.

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i thought judy looked beautiful in the movie and by the way for most of the movie garland's character wasn't even a star

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