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I hated this movie, for many reasons...


Hate is a little strong, it had a great cast, strong performances, especially by Cooper. But the story is absurd. This man is supposed to be some kind of town hero, they give him a big sendoff after his wedding. Then they turn their back on him the very same day? Did he not know these people? Was he that clueless about them? Its just not realistic that a whole town would act that way. Its simply not human nature to do so, the film makers had it backwards.

As to the production itself, it was made on the cheap, and looks it. The gunfight at the end was terrible by western standards. And these outlaws come to town with a plan to kill the Marshall? Some plan, easily allowing one man to pick off each of them, one at a time.

And to the whole blacklisting thing, most of those blacklisted were at the least sympathetic to communism, a great threat at the time. The HUAC (House Committee on Un-American Activities) and Joe McCarthy? McCarthy had nothing to do with it, he was in the Senate. As to McCarthy's claims that there were communists in the state department? He was right. Look up the name Alger Hiss and the Venona cables, enough said.

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I won't comment on the politics, since I hate politics

On the production itself, this movie is flawless...

The way the movie was shot changed the way western were made.
Long takes within indoors while retaining outdoors elements (Windows, Doors).
Open shots that end up being close ups (Citizen Kane, had some, but not this stylized)
Shots that start at a close up and end up in a big open shot, like the one when the Marshall get off to meet the outlaws(You see him big first with the close up, and very slowly, he start to get small as the crane lifts up the camera, perfect allegory of the Marshall at the time. The camera work is pretty amazing.

The cinematography is flawless, the whole thing is perfectly lit and exposed. Do you know how hard is it?, to make an indoor shot with windows like that, and maintain such fine detail in everything inside and outside as well. I dare you to find a modern movie with such detail in the backgrounds, such fine example of deep focus. And speaking of focus... my god, such perfection, not once did I notice something out of it, this film is 61 years old, and it has better camera work than your average Hollywood movie.

The editing, its also very very refreshing, considering, all we see its a Marshall looking for deputy's, and 3 guys waiting for a train. The way the film is put together, makes you glued to your chair the whole time.
Not even mention, that the whole "last will" sequence, has been copied like hell ever since

I won't comment on the use of time, because there plenty to read about that, and its for the most, the "obvious" great feature of this film

All your "story" issues are all pretty much subjective, so is a matter of opinion. I personally think the story is, if not, one of the most realistic and human westerns ever made. Humans are completely capable of doing what you saw in this film, as a matter of fact, there are several real life examples of it

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It should be made clear that Joe McCarthy disgraced himself with some of his bizarre accusations. He even accused Pres. Eisenhower of being a "card-carrying communist", as if that makes any sense. Many decent people were blacklisted back then, including Dalton Trumbo, whose novel Johnny Got His Gun make a profound impact on me. Actor/director Kirk Douglas courageously brought certain people back from the blacklist in certain of his movies. It should also be remembered that during the 1930's, some Americans went to Russia to try and get work when it was scarce in the US. Communism was still a very new concept. To some, it probably made good sense, theoretically. Communism is, after all, just another form of government. The secrecy of the Iron Curtain made Communism frightening.

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Who gives a *beep* if there were communists? Isn't that one's right, as guaranteed in your fabled Constitution? Or do those guarantees only apply to those with whom you agree?

You - and McCarthyist's in general - remind me of Frank Burns' line from MASH: "Individuality is fine, as long as we all do it together".

We must not check reason by tradition, but contrawise, must check tradition by reason - Leo Tolstoy

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Who gives a *beep* if there were communists? Isn't that one's right, as guaranteed in your fabled Constitution? Or do those guarantees only apply to those with whom you agree?


Does the Constitution protect your right to undermine the constitution? No, it doesn't.

The right to believe what you want to believe is sacrosanct. The right to destroy the system that protects your rights is not, and communism is absolutely antithetical to a free society.

"I've seen things that would make you want to write a book on how to puke."

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Your point is moot and your hysteria is laughable.

Having a certain political philosophy doesn't destroy society. Destructive actions do.

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As a matter of fact, it does. Nothing in the Constitution is permanent, any and all of the Amendments and guaranteed freedoms can be voted away. And there's nothing that should be able to be down about it if it's done in a legal way. That's kind of what America is all about, dontchya think?

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You are absolutely right about McCarthy, as the Venona Papers show declassified documents that point to massive communist infiltration. I'm sure there was some unjust blacklistings, and that's very tragic. But McCarthy should not be villified.
I disliked High Noon for the above reasons, and also because they played the theme song constantly (yes, CONSTANTLY) throughout the entire film.

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The movie is a critique of the fact that Hollywood DID act that way, when McCarthy was blacklisting actors. No one had the guts to say anything about it or do anything about it.

In the film context of a potential gunfight, a lot of Gary Cooper's erstwhile "friends" proved that their greatest loyalty was to saving their own lives. I'm not so sure that most people would behave all that differently, given the chance to back down and justify their cowardice by pointing at their neighbors. 1950s Hollywood is one example of that, but the number of places and times in history in which the evil have ruled over the good provides ample corroboration.

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There is some validity in what you say about the plot in your first paragraph. For the same reason I gave the movie 9 /10 instead of the maximum . Despite that flaw I still think it is a great film.

I also agree with you to some extent about the Communists and their sympathisers . There is absolutely no reason no believe that if the American Communist Party had ever came to power they would not have done what their comrades did in every other country which fell into their hands, i.e impose a one-party dictatorship and executed or imprisoned those who disagreed with them in labour camps,

However, democracy has to be stronger and more principled than it's enemies and the blacklist only played into the far Left's hands .It was also morally wrong. In the last analysis , democracy best proves it's point by allowing it's enemies to express their opinions so long , of course ,that they do not advocate violence.

Gordon P. Clarkson

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Wow, talk about hyperbole.

~ I've been very lonely in my isolated tower of indecipherable speech.

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A number of people took issue with the film for the very reasons you cite in your first paragraph. Gary Cooper himself thought the portrayal of the townspeople was unfair. John Wayne angrily railed against the film. Sam Fuller and Howard Hawks both made westerns in response: FORTY GUNS and RIO BRAVO. Hawks thought the idea of the hero running around seeking help from amateurs was way off base. However, Hawks was a little off-base there. In real life, whenever an outlaw threat emerged, ordinary townspeople took up guns to ward off the threat and there are many stories of towns saving themselves from outlaw bands because the citizens were armed and willing to shoot at outlaws. Northfield, Minnesota, anyone? So, in real life, the citizens of Hadleyville would definitely have taken up arms to stand with the sheriff.

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To me the villain of this movie is not the other townspeople or Frank Miller and Company. The villain is Lloyd Bridges. It was his actual job to help Gary Cooper and he used his personal grudge to not even do his duty. I have a harder time trashing the townspeople, but maybe I'm coming at this from a modern perspective a bit. I mean if the sheriff knocked on your door or came into your church wanting you to round up a gang of punks, would you really do this if you had no training?

High Noon has big problems as a film though and I am not even getting into the politics of it. First off, the bad men are lame and unmemorable. Lee Van Cleef is one of them but he was a nobody at the time this was made (imagine him as Miller about 15 years later though!). They build Miller up the entire film as the ultimate doomsday villain....and he is just some jabroni. Miller and his men are the sort of dime a dozen scrubs Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson would mow down in spaghetti westerns. For someone who grew up watching late 60s and 70s era westerns the natural thing to ask is "Why not just go kill these guys at the train station, wait for Miller, and kill him?"

Even with westerns of the same time period, High Noon is weak sauce. Can anyone imagine Randolph Scott in this role? He'd simply go down to the train station and shoot these geeks and move on with his honeymoon. High Noon is the sort of western you'd take a chick to on a date.

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Well put, Cabbageboy. Regarding your critique of the villains in HIGH NOON, you should search for Howard Hawks' reactions to this film and to 3:10 TO YUMA and how that led to RIO BRAVO. I think you can relate.

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I too agree with cabbage boy ... The Frank Miller villain type character was not up to scratch .... When I think of a cowboy villain now, I think of Henry Fonda in Once upon time in the West ... Now there was someone you could instantly hate and fear.

It's hard for me to critique this film otherwise, as I grew up with it. Memories of watching it with my dear old dad on a black and white TV in the 1960's colour my view ... I like it .... And with all its flaws and plot holes ... These are like close friends to me
As for communism or democratic stuff ... I couldn't give a tinkers toss ...


I swallowed a bug .... River

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