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John Wayne had a point about this movie


John Wayne was very angry at this movie because of the alleged blacklisting and witchhunt allegory but he also professed to dislike it as a movie and as a Western.

He said something to the effect of "These people travelled hundreds and thousands of miles, battling bandits, Indians, storms, floods, wind and snow to settle a god-forsaken land and make a life out of it- and now they are pissing their pants over four outlaws? Give me a break!"

Good point. In real life, if four thugs showed up and announced that they'd take over the town, the townspeople would a) laugh, b) blow their heads off, c) go back to milking cows.




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He said something to the effect of "These people travelled hundreds and thousands of miles, battling bandits, Indians, storms, floods, wind and snow to settle a god-forsaken land and make a life out of it- and now they are pissing their pants over four outlaws? Give me a break!"


But wasn't that also the plot/situation of "High Plains Drifter?"

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It wasn't a wise thing from Wayne.

A mob would not think like a man. They knew Miller was Kane's problem. If Kane left town, Miller isn't a worry at least until the new Marshall comes. They couldn't fight of Miller in the first place, that's when Kane came in and rescued them.

1) If they had to abandon their things, cause damage to property and risk their lives (leaving their family and peaceful life) there has to be a collective danger to the whole society that's unavoidable. But there wasn't - was there?
2) If you know mob psychology, people forget. Miller didn't, but people did. They got used to living peaceful; to shake them up and act against a criminal risking their lives, there has to be desperation and a huge crisis. But that wasn't there, in their POV at least.

What Wayne is talking about is that act of desperation. The town people weren't that desperate to get rid of Miller. They knew if Kane could leave town things wouldn't turn ugly. So there wouldn't be a collective consensus to actually stand against these thugs immediately.

I think Wayne was jealous many regarded High Noon to be superior to his wooden portrayals in many Westerns, including Rio Bravo, which IMO was a great film in itself but not as inspirational as High Noon (Look at the time it was made).

Actually I kind of liked Wayne until I read this comment. Now I am annoyed he could think this way. I think High Noon is a brilliant film with superior production values, amazing script and incredible performances including Gary Cooper.

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I think Wayne was jealous many regarded High Noon to be superior to his wooden portrayals


No need for him to be because his performances in Red River and The Searchers were better than what Cooper did here.

And despite not winning an Oscar for either his performances in those had critics raving.

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And we Americans and our ancestors traveled almost 10,000 miles, enduring sickness and hostile natives and disease and throwing away every single comfort of life, in order to found a new nation, and yet in the face of one stupid demagogue from Wisconsin, the lowly Joseph McCarthy, we as a nation were all cowards. Wayne is an idiot, plain and simple.

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You call Wayne an idiot, and you're comparing the wild west to the civilised 50's?

We're talking about a town full of indian fighters and civil war veterans who were too scared to stand up to 4 guys.

There's many examples in wild west history of outlaws trying to rob a bank in a town and the townsfolk just getting hold of any guns they could get and taking care of business. Outlaws often surrendered to the sheriff or marshal just so they could escape from the clutches of the townsfolk lol.

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John Wayne was right about MOST things.

Period.

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I don't know about all that, but he was certainly right about THIS movie

Even though I enjoy this movie, it has a conceit about it. The townspeople being so afraid doesn't come as realistic. It comes off as a Writer trying to MAKE A POINT. In so making that point, they force behavior on the townsfolk that doesn't seem natural.

But as a gimmick, it's still a dang good movie.

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The townspeople being so afraid doesn't come as realistic. It comes off as a Writer trying to MAKE A POINT.


I agree, it is not entirely convincing. It's a film built around a message.

The risk involved doesn't justify such behaviour. It would be 20 or more townsmen with repeating rifles (who have time to prepare their positions) against 4 outlaws with revolvers. I understand the last man to back out because 2 against 4 highly questionable and too much to ask from a volunteer. But all the others?

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