Half-Breed?
I didn't see the entire movie. But I saw a part when she is called a half-breed? Half what? What else is her character supposed to be besides White?
shareI didn't see the entire movie. But I saw a part when she is called a half-breed? Half what? What else is her character supposed to be besides White?
shareShe is either half Mexican or half Native American....
I know...the actress is very very very white....thats classical hollywood for ya.....
Very classical hollywood, you are right. I love how she's treated and talked about like some outcast. As if she's not like everyone else when the only difference is a slight tan. "She's tan! She's too different! Whaa!" LOL
shareFurther irony in that her "mother", Mrs Chavez, who looks Apache in the film, was played by Tilly Losch in brownface. Tilly was an Austrian who at one point was married to an English earl.
shareI know that's typical of old Hollywood, but I still wish they would've used somebody else besides Jones. She made so many weird faces & I thought her acting wasn't very good, even though I think Robert Osbourne said she had already won an Oscar when she made this.
It was weird seeing Chavez' mother in that awful brown make-up, and Jones' blinding white teeth looked really odd & out of place. Plus, although she was half Native American, I didn't understand why she dressed so Spanish?! Especially when she first goes to look for the family she's to stay w/, she's wearing a sombrero!
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What's wrong with Jones's blinding white teeth? Plenty of people with dark skin have very white teeth. Tooth color isn't related to melanin content.
And this movie never would've starred anyone but Jones. Producer David O. Selznick was in love with her and made this film as a showcase for her "talents."
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What's wrong with Jones's blinding white teeth? Plenty of people with dark skin have very white teeth.
There are Native Americans in South and Central America. Mexicans for example are a mixture of Native Americans and white Spaniards and called mestizos. So there are plenty of Native Americans and mestizos who would dress similar to how Pearl dressed.
And Pearl's dress is more Hispanic from the Americas than how Spaniards dressed.
What is odd about Pearl, whose father was Spanish and lived in formerly Mexican Texas, and whose mother was Comanche, wearing a Mexican sombrero?
If you google for images of General George Crook (1828-1890) you will see him wearing a tropical pith helmet in photos from Arizona in the 1880s.
https://www.sdpb.org/images-of-the-past/2018-01-16/george-crook-the-forgotten-general
Here is a link https://www.loc.gov/resource/cph.3a14010/ to a photo of the March 1886 peace conference with hostile Apaches. The general is seated in the foreground, second from the right, wearing a pith helmet. And if the person seated beside the General looks very young to be at such a conference, that's because he was.
The US army actually imported pith helmets for use in hot climates, but their use was rather rare.
And there is mention that in 1871 the General wore a "Japanese hat" - presumably a Asian conical hat - in an expedition in Arizona. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_conical_hat
So I don't think that it would be odd for Pearl to wear a Mexican sombrero which probably could be bought in any town in Texas.
"...her "mother", Mrs Chavez, who looks Apache in the film..."
You're certainly not from Arizona, are you! Mrs. Chavez doesn't look Apache in the slightest! She looks like a white woman in dark make-up - not even remotely like an Apache woman.
See, "Unforgiven, The"... for more of the same...
oddly enough the Sinkiller's son directed it.
Her mother is supposed to be an Indian/Native American woman. The mother is wearing a beaded "Indian" headband while she's dancing. Later, Lionel Barrymore's character says Pearl should have been called Pocahontas, rather than Pearl.
Her father, Scott Chavez, was said to be a Creole by someone in the movie. Although often referring to mixed-raced people now, from what I understand, the term in this context used to primarily mean ethnic Spaniards born in the Americas. So, I would assume her father is supposed to be a descendant of Spaniards who immigrated to an area of Mexico that later became part of Texas.
Pearl is what some call a "mestiza," part Spanish and Indian, like so many in Latin America.
In the early scenes Pearl's mother is described as a Comanche Indian. Pearl becomes a double orphan in the early scenes.
shareBut you actually see her mother - at saloons - drinking and dancing with the men - wasn’t it in New Orleans? I can’t recall.
shareImagine that, a Comanche woman who is married to a white man, drinking and dancing with white men in saloons. It is like living with her white husband in white society for about two decades actually got her a bit assimilated into white culture.
As I remember, Pearl was said the be from the border, which probably means the US Mexican border. The border which runs between the US states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and the Mexican states of Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, & Tamaulipas.
See my second post at: https://moviechat.org/tt0038499/Duel-in-the-Sun/59ff7dbe691d140012e90404/Where-is-Spanish-Bit
I don’t know if there is a question in there or what. But Chavez was from the South and Creole, which means he was probably from New Orleans. A gambler. First scene was probably in Mexico in a border town. It was a casino lots of caballeros, liquor, gambling, dancing and women. I guess I don’t know what you are asking or saying. The Creole gentleman married a Comanche woman. Pearl was a mestiza and orphaned and didn’t stand a chance.
shareIndian. It’s a great movie. Just realized op was 14 years ago.
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