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To those who complain about the dialogue...


Many modern (and younger--that is, under-thirty) viewers often complain about the dialogue in Double Indemnity, calling it "cheesy" or "unnatural." To make this criticism, however, is to ignore context and thus to miss the point.

Most dialogue in movies--particularly in movies made during the Hollywood Golden Age--is heightened and stylized. It's a convention. When we go to the movies, we usually expect the characters to talk in a way that distills the essence of human conversation. If movie talk exactly duplicated the way people talk, movies wouldn't be an art form. It's that simple.

Well, it's almost that simple. I know that the "hardboiled" narration and dialogue in Double Indemnity may strike modern viewers as REALLY sytlized--perphaps to a fault. But, of course, this hardboiled stylization (which includes the many, many times Neff calls Phyllis "Baby") is another convention--a convention of the pulp crime/detective fiction made popular by such writers as James M. Cain and Raymond Chandler, both of whose names are listed in the credits of Double Indemnity.

Movie conventions are defined as an agreement between filmmaker and viewer that certain rules--even patently phony ones, by certain standards of realism--will be accepted. (That's why, to invoke another genre, viewers accept Julie Andrews bursting into song on a mountaintop.)

The over-the-top tough talk and fancy, self-conscious figurative language in Double Indemnity are just part of the genre. Those who accept this fact will surely find the film even more enjoyable.

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The idea of "realism" now is swearing in nearly every sentence.

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The dialogue was one of the best bits of the movie for me.

The Wilder message is don't bore - don't bore people.
---Billy Wilder

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So just exactly what does "cheesy" mean?

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Yes, I agree. My father was a sailor in the Navy during WWII. He was brought up in a very rough section of the Bronx, grew up on the streets. The 'worst' language I ever heard out of his mouth was 'damn it', 'pain in the ass', and 'tell him he can go to hell'. The only time I heard him or any of his friends,or co workers for that matter, use this language was when they were po'd, not in casual conversation. I was taught to never use the 'f' word around women.
I know for a fact that if say a store employee used the 'f' word around my mom or sisters, he would have blown his top and I would have pitied the fool who did the swearing.
He was a pretty rough and tumble guy, had the classic 'anchor tattoo' etc. My brothers and My bros. and I were raised to watch our language around women, open doors for them, the whole 9 yards. As a kid I did know a few older guys who 'cursed like sailors' but these guys were the bar hounds usually drinking or drunk most of the time and very few were 'family men'. Come to think of it, none of my friends fathers cursed up a storm either, at least not around us kids.
I'm not trying to be judgemental here or pollyannaish, trust me, I came up the hard way also but I'd like to remind people that not all men back then were 'Neanderthals' like they are often portrayed in todays movies or on TV.

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One thing I like from Old Hollywood but not from Modern Hollywood, for the most part anyway, is the dialogue.

So, I agree with you.

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I saw it. A thing that was cold and dry. It was me. - La Belle Noiseuse

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I've recently gotten into film noir and I absolutely love the atmosphere, the heightened reality, and the satirical yet deceptive simplicity of these films. That being said though I honestly found the dialogue in DI a bit much, especially earlier on. Maybe it's because the story places so much emphasis on the protagonist's feelings for the femme fatale but the blatancy of some of his lines prevented me from fully enjoying the movie. Don't get me wrong I DID enjoy and appreciate it but if I compare the dialogue here to my favorite Noir so far: The Third Man, I just don't find it clever enough to justify its over the top nature. Holly, the protagonist in TTM flirts with his love interest with similar dialogue, only it plays in a more self aware way that makes him seem more believable, almost as though he knows his lines are corny. Here though, the protagonist has more confidence in his game than James Bond on testosterone pills! Thus it feels a bit TOO much like a parody of itself. Just my opinion...

When you have to shoot- shoot, don't talk -Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

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^^UPDATE^^

I just watched DI a second time and found the dialogue to be just perfect: endearing with just the right amount of self parody and wit. It's funny how another viewing can change your perception of a film.

Somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man

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I don't understand this thread. I speak very much the way they speak in this film.

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Film is an art form that is as stylized as Ballet, Opera, or Kabuki. To watch a movie with maximum enjoyment, one must accept and immerse one's self in the conventions of style of the period of the movie. Unfortunately, many people today are unable to do so. It is their tragic loss.

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