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Everyone thought it was boring


Just watched this for the first time in a film study class great movie. I seemed to be the only one in the class that liked it. The rest of the class said theh were bored to tears.

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It is boring, but it wasn't for it's time because of the theme of the war.

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I generally like old movies, but this and Citizen Kane are among the most boring I've ever seen. Such dull and un-interesting plots.

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Well that's because it was badly acted, the dialogue was artificial, characters were just caricatures with no depth and the whole thing was better suited to a broadway play than an actual film.

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You say that based on your many years of viewing Broadway plays, right?

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Yeah, same acting style.

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Sure.

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Glad we agree.

I don't give a f*@K about a troll who doesn't pay for his opinion telling me how to review movies.

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Your classmates would probably get more out of this film if they were alive when it came out.

Pearl Harbor was the 9/11 event for America back then and Americans wanted to payback Japan for it. That war seriously affected every aspect of day-to-day life. There was food, gasoline, metal and other types of rationing being applied. Stopping Hitler was paramount and required a Herculean effort. It took the entire country (and their allies) working together to accomplish it. That war literally changed the whole world. When it was over almost 60 million lives had been lost and the world would never be the same again.

I guess your classmates just would have needed to be alive in 1942 to appreciate the film's overtones.

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I prefer to judge a film based on it's own merits. Not the time period.

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Well you are right of course and probably use objectivity in making your assessments. The viewing audience however, is often fickle and tends to evaluate things subjectively. What tastes good to them on Monday is often repugnant by Thursday. The way many people vote or address Wall Street is seldom guided by accuracy or clarity of the facts.

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I prefer to judge a film based on it's own merits. Not the time period.


The time period of a film is a fundamental part of "it's own merits" - you cannot judge something from a different time based on contemporary standards - that whole apples and oranges thing.


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Nope, those are just excuses old people give to justify bad films from their own time period.

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It's all relative - to poorly judge the Wright Brothers based on space travel would be patently unfair and inaccurate.

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Sorry, I meant films, not teams.

I don't give a f*@K about a troll who doesn't pay for his opinion telling me how to review movies.

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I prefer to judge a film based on it's own merits. Not the time period.
Dude, I apologize, but you are completely ignorant. Art (including film) is a reflection of society. If you can't grasp that, then you have literally no understanding of cinema at all. And that goes for music and literature too, all forms of art actually.

The best movies with the greatest screenplays are about the subtext. Great films are rarely just about the self contained stories and characters that they convey. All the great writers infuse subtext and symbolism into their stories to express the themes that they're writing about. And it's closely tied to the time period in which they're written. Writers don't just get their material out of thin air, it comes from the culture.

Why do you think movies from certain eras are so different than movies from the next? It's because the social contexts change over time. That's the point!

Example, if you're unaware of the social context of how America's culture shifted from the early 60s to the late 60s and early 70s, then you won't understand what George Lucas's American Graffiti is actually about. It's not just a movie about a couple teenagers coming of age as they leave for college. The film is actually a representation of America's loss of innocence after JFK was assassinated, America's involvement in Vietnam heavily escalated, the nation was tearing itself apart from the political, social and cultural divisions etc.

If you know nothing about the generation gap with the baby boomers and their parents, then you won't understand The Graduate.

Cool Hand Luke and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest are not just stories of a rebel who's locked away in prison. They're both representations of the anti-establishment sentiment that permeated America in the late 60s and throughout the 1970s. About "how the man is keeping anyone who doesn't conform down". And about how the public had no trust in authority.

RoboCop isn't just a sci-fi action movie, it's actually a satire of "Reaganomics", American capitalism run amok in the 80s.

And this is true for modern movies too (not as many, that is). District 9 is actually an allegory of apartheid which ended in South Africa in the 90s. The film's director was a teenager in the 90s who grew up in... South America! Is this a coincidence??

How can you not understand this concept? I mean, did you not read books in high school? Everybody had to read Animal Farm. It's not simply a story of talking farm animals. It's an allegory of communism and the Soviet Union.

Films, novels, songs etc. are best understood by the audience in the time periods in which they're written-- that's the point! Like all the great counterculture music that came out in the 60s. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, CCR-- they were writing songs about the war and about the social division.

If you don't understand the social context, then you won't understand the actual piece. You might like it, but you won't understand it. It's like the pop culture references in shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Seinfeld etc. You might still find the jokes funny, but without knowing the context, you don't really "get it".

Nope, those are just excuses old people give to justify bad films from their own time period.
No, it's that you have no understanding whatsoever of what art and its purpose actually is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art#Motivated_functions_of_art




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Except that none of those things justify why this film is so bad.

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<<I prefer to judge a film based on it's own merits. Not the time period.>>

its, not it's.

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Wow, another "you made a grammatical error so I'm gonna disregard what you're saying" argument?

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Well they really shouldn't have taken the class to begin with.

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I would be interested in learning if your fellow students enjoyed any movies produced in the 30's or 40's.

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This is not the type of movie that should be seen in a classroom. It needs nuance. A dark room. Popcorn. A good friend.




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Yeah, it's a movie that will separate the wheat from the chaff in a film class.

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Yeah, it's a movie that will separate the wheat from the chaff in a film class.
Never been in one, but my guess is that students in a film class are as full of themselves as most smart kids their age. Thus looking for new and edgy, or isolated older films that mainstream audiences today wouldn't touch (and oddly enough that would include those by Ingmar Bergman, by cooincidence).

So not sure Casablanca would resonate on either of those, unless you had a future Spielberg in the class trying to figure out what kind of movies appeal to people in general rather than to show off to his peers.

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I wish. The kids in my film class were looking for an easy A, period. Thankfully our professor was the challenging type. He really loved movies and you had to pay attention and take good notes, or you weren't going to pass the final.

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i thought the movie was about being noble.

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What sort of films do they like?

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