I would like to hear your guys opinion on this? Does the general public really believe that hunters are evil and horrible animal killers? This isnt an attack on anybody, im just looking for opinions on this topic.
FYI, i have been a hunter for 7 years now.
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*beep* hunters and all carnist scum. they should all get shot or killed by animals. it'd be poetic justice.
share*beep* Vegetarians and Vegans. They should all die by the plants coming alive and poisoning or eating them. THAT would be poetic justice, even M. Knight Shyamalan thinks so.
sharethey're already alive. they just aren't sentient like animals. so the comparison is false.
shareHow do you know an animal is or a plant isn't? Have you talked to one lately? When you crack celery or salad with your teeth or hands how do you know it's not screaming in pain? Carnivorous plants eat bugs that get to close to them, so how could they do that without being able to feel?
sharei know celery aren't screaming because they neither have brains, nervous systems or mouths. LOL. i didn't say plants aren't intelligent, i said they aren't sentient. they can react to stimuli. that doesn't mean they have emotions, awareness of self, pain receptors, etc.
shareBeing sentient also means finely sensitive in perception or feeling, which I wouldn't say that they are, both of my last post were just jokes. I would never wish someone I didn't know a poison death even if I highly dissagree with them and you shouldn't wish them death by animals.
sharei don't care what people think, only how they act. all life has a right to defend itself and others. no person has the right to harm except in self-defence. selfish carnist scum deserve to be treated as they treat others.
shareYou people are impossible... It's an animal not a person. If they weren't hunted at one point in time people would have had nothing to eat, it's just the order of things. Get over yourself and the fact that animals are food, very tasty food.
sharehuman beings are animals. you're just a person and one with a sociopathic and dogmatic sense of entitlement. i'm not talking about creatures who don't have a choice. people can choose their diets. get over yourself and the fact that animals aren't intrinsically born to be exploited despite what carnist scum like to think.
shareI'm glad you know so much about me by a few comments I made on the internet. Who said anything about exploitation? You have also completely changed my mind by your comments so now I will make everyone stop hunting animals since animals lives are cleary more important than ours and you can run over one everyday with you car with the exponential increase in population. Of course you're probably such a friend to the environment you ride a bike or walk. If people stopped learning how to hunt we would lose part of our heritage. You could never understand that and I don't expect you to. You could never survive in a world without grocery stores so good luck if those ever run out of food. You need to get in touch with reality and quit believing everything your propogandist friends at PETA tell you. You've chosen your diet and I've chosen mine thats the beauty of this world and free countries. If everyone wanted the same things we would run out of those same things so be glad our opinions differ and quit insulting me for it.
sharei know all i need to know by your own admissions. involuntarily killing animals for their meat is exploitation. all animal products involuntarily farmed are exploitation. tradition and heritage have no intrinsic worth. foot-binding, slavery and genital mutilation are the irrational traditions of some cultures and like carnism the sooner they're eradicated, the better. it follows that if i care about sentient beings i would care about the environment in which we depend upon. we currently use 50% more of the earth's resources than it can renew (footprint network living planet report 2010). i could survive in a world without supermarkets and so could humanity which has historically been primarily vegetarian due to poverty. many primitive societies are vegetarian to the point that meat-eating is insignificant with plant based foods predominant. the notion that man is historically a hunter over a gatherer or farmer is a carnist revision of history. the idea that if everyone went huntin', shootin' 'n' fishin' the world would be sustainable is preposterous especially in comparison to the idea that people should go vegan and vegetarian to feed the planet (according to the UN and others). it's carnist diets which reduce available land to grow plant-based foods which feed more people that perpetuates food insecurity, food scarcity and artificial harm to nature such as inflation of animal populations and destruction of competing animals and their habitats. you need to get in touch with reality and quit believing all the egotistical and dogmatic nonsense you've deluded yourself with. it's beautiful FOR YOU that you can CHOOSE to place yourself atop of an irrational and dogmatic hierarchy which allows you to kill all non-human life, but it's not for the sentient life whose death is INVOLUNTARY and arbitrarily taken. it's no more authoritative and objectively true than the belief that a person is justified in killing another simply because they're stronger. might doesn't make right. if it does then killing carnists and hunters is not a crime.
shareLike I said I could never expect you to understand and that's way too many big words for for an egotistical, dogmatic, carnist scum like me and I can see this conversation is going nowhere. I respect your choice to be a vegan or vegetarian and think it's a very healthy one, it's just not for me. What I don't respect is you coming on here and talking to me like I am some sort of criminal for making a perfectly legal choice just because you disagree with it. "Shootin' 'n' fishin'" are things I like to do, but you can still show respect to something even if you kill or catch it (that's also something I don't expect you to understand). You are correct that there is more out there for "carnist" as you call us, but with the rising rate of obesity I think the scale will eventually have to tip the other way. Don't think I'm some 50 lb overweight moron who just loves going out shooting deer because it's fun to kill them and laughs when they die. Hunter's on TV shows really piss me off when they do that as an animal has just given it's life for you it's time to show respect not dance a jig. The hunters in this movie are also a terrible portrayal of hunters as a whole as are the animals personalities and that seems to be the idea you have of both. So with your post you have answered an astounding yes to the original question on this thread so I'm just going to leave it at that.
shareslavery was legal in the 19th century, it didn't make it right. i absolutely reject the idea that you can 'respect' an animal and then kill it against it's will any more than you can 'respect' a person and kill them against their will. that's absurd. all sentient beings have intrinsic worth and the right to be free from exploitation. without that one right, all others are hollow.
shareWow you sound like a broken record. You use 19th century slavery and compare it to the legal right to hunt game as if they are both equally wrong right after calling me dogmatic, well that's just brilliant. So I guess anyone who owns a dog and keeps it in their yard "against their will" owns a slave? Your problem is that you think animals are just like the ones in this movie and meet everyday in "the meddow" and talk like a human being would. They are not as sentient as you think they are and if they were they would protest their "mistreatment" as you call it. To me valuing an animals life over a humans is criminal and organizations like PETA praise a hunting dog, because it stepped on gun and shot it's owner during a bird hunting trip and you would probably laugh at that.
sharei don't think people can't act in the interest of animals against their will or can't love their pets, but the domestication of animals is definitely unethical and unnatural. breeding animals so that they're more dependent on their "owners" and less able to survive in the wild is wrong. your argument is disingenuous. i've never said all animals are better than all people. i've said all people aren't better than all animals. no hierarchy is implied. animals protest all the time against their mistreatment. whether it's the dog who bites it's "owner's" hand or the horse which won't run in a race. what happens to all of them? they're killed. also, i didn't say animals were as intelligent as people. it's because human beings are more intelligent that we have greater responsibility than non-human animals. PETA would never praise a hunting dog which hurt a vegetarian, vegan and probably not even a non-hunting affiliated person as they try to appeal to all people who believe in animal welfare/rights. they celebrate the dog's actions because the specific individual was a murderer of birds.
shareCelebrating any harm to any human because they harm an animal in this case a bird is saying an animals life is more important than a humans whether you admit it or not. A hunter being a murderer of birds is your opinion not a fact so once again you have proved to be more dogmatic than I could ever be. I also never said you said animals are more intelligent than people so I'm not sure where you got that (okay I guess it was what I said about the meadow, but I meant that as a metaphor). Biting back is not protest it is their reaction to survive as that is the way they are "programmed". If they weren't "sentient" they would be too easy to kill and would quickly become extinct which would harm our ecosystem as all species are important. I agree we have a greater responsibility and part of that is keeping the population controled so that they contract less diseases and one species doesn't overly outnumber another.
shareit's not an either or, which you keep simplifying it to. ethical vegans/vegetarians believe that all sentient life should be valued and people who selfishly kill animals unnecessarily and not out of self-defence should be stopped. if a lion attacked a person and the person killed the lion. celebrating that wouldn't necessarily mean that a person believes all humans are better than all animals. only that they're glad the person didn't die and the lion was stopped. most wild animals will fight or flee people who harm them. animals in captivity such as zoos will try to escape and other uncooperative behaviours. the domesticated animals we come into most contact with have been bred so that they're docile and submissive to people by killing more assertive individuals and selecting tame ones, but even they will often try to escape if mistreated enough. i'm not against some interference within nature when it's good for the ecosystem or for protecting endangered species, but it's a total lie that nature needs humanity to control it. whether it's the pretence that sheep need people to shear them, cows need people to milk them, etc. nature existed before people and would continue to exist and thrive if humankind wasn't here tomorrow. it's people's interference with nature that has caused the most damage, not leaving it alone.
shareYou say we are all sentient beings, so if a bear kills a rabbit for food should that bear be punished? Then why should a human who kills another animal for food? If it's just based on sentience then there should be no problem. I know there's alternatives, well so are there for a bear he eats what is readily available and humans are no different. I never said nature needs us to control it I said we have to control populations. You want everyone to eat vegetables, well guess what deer and other animals eat? Have fun trying to keep them all out long enough to grow food for everyone in the world after they are no longer being harvested by hunters. They can already be a major problem so much so that counties and states sell extra tags to take a few deer so a farmer's crops aren't damaged so much he can't grow them. Wild hogs are a major problem as well. You should see a trail they use and try to walk down it after they've traveled through there for a few days. Whether or not people have caused the damage (which is also opinion and speculation) it has to be balanced now so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
sharei have no problem with non-human animals killing each other, that's nature. a bear doesn't understand nutrition and has no alternatives to it's lifestyle. whereas people do understand nutrition and do have alternatives. we aren't prisoners of any intrinsic nature. farmers can put fences and many other non-lethal natural and artificial repellents. the thing that's lacking is will, not capability. if people didn't interfere with nature in the first place by encroaching on habitats, killing bears, wolves and other predators it would keep deer populations at a stable and optimum figure. nature controls itself including animal population, just fine.
shareNon-human animals are still going to be killed and it's natural for a human animal to kill one as well. Just because we drive in cars and use the internet and electricity and are more intelligent, doesn't mean we're not still a part of nature. And bears have PLENTY of alternatives and eat almost anything. If we are all animals and should all be treated equally then I have every right to kill an animal for food just as it would kill me if it had to or if I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just because we understand nutrition doesn't mean it's wrong to choose one over the other. We're not encroaching on their habitats as it's just as much ours, I apoligize that I am a more effecient killer and buidler, that's the way we were made/evolved or whatever you believe (please don't go there this is enough). BTW speaking of using the internet and electricity we run power lines and transmission lines all over the country "encroaching" on "other animals habitats" and it kills thousands of birds every year for us to be able to have both so since you are such an environmentally friendly person how about doing me and the animals a favor and getting off.
shareit's not 'natural' as we have free will. there's no such thing as intrinsic human nature. that's dogma for people to absolve themselves of all responsibility for their actions. i didn't say we aren't part of nature. we are all animals, but human beings are smarter, are aware of nutrition and can make informed decisions about their diets all unlike non-human animals. it's absolutely wrong to kill another sentient creature when you have the choice to choose otherwise. your argument is nonsense. a deer wouldn't kill a human being for food, nor a cow or bird. the idea that if a chicken was somehow a tyrannosaurus rex it would kill you is based on unprovable speculation and is ridiculous. it makes no more sense than if i were to justify killing a normal person by saying if they were jack the ripper they'd kill me. if being the most efficient killer gives people the right to kill. then killing carnists is not a crime and nor is killing anything else as my might makes right. power lines are actually designed not to kill birds. they have to touch more than one wire to be electrocuted though the general point is if you care about the environment why are you breathing oxygen and contributing to global warming. the answer is because people like me do more to stop sociopaths like yourself through confronting these issues and activism then by ignoring your actions.
shareI didn't say a deer, cow or bird would kill a human being for food I said a bear. 3/4 of your entire post was just a twist of my words and held no valid argument what so ever. Power lines are being designed more and more to be more bird friendly, but they can still kill birds by coming in contact with different points on transformers and switches. I work for a power company and have had to go through environmental training on this subject, trust me it still remains a problem especially on a pole with multiple cross arms or multiple circuits. Not to mention the "damage" caused to any animals habitat by the construction of power lines. I'm not even going to go into global warming. Ignore my actions all you want you can't stop them so that's the dumbest idea I ever heard of. You're also about the worst activist ever. The thing is if you really cared you would contribute to helping animals as much as possible by not living in a house, not using electricity and not driving a car as it leaves a "carbon footprint" on "their" habitat. Also, by your profile you claim to be a feminist and at the same time support PETA who is well known for using women's bodies to sell their propaganda. Just to be clear this is my last post as I have already contributed way too much to spamming this board so I'd finish by telling you where to shove it, but I don't think there's any more room.
shareit doesn't matter. it's what you believe anyway as evidenced in your earlier posts. simply saying it isn't valid is not authoritative. i had already said that a person could kill an animal in self-defence. if i'm so dumb and unthreatening then you should ignore me. you're the one who replied. also it's hypocritical listening to a person against environmentalism and animal rights talk about their biased thoughts on how another should support their cause. i'm not going to be less visible because you find my views inconvenient. quite the contrary. you can support a group, but disapprove of some of their actions. for example the usa has gone on unprovoked wars, it doesn't necessarily follow that all anti-war people must hate the entire us government or country. i support the ALF, ARM, JD, RCALB, SHAC7, sea shepherd far more than PETA who are a mainstream organisation. go and get ripped to shreds by a bear or shot in the stomach by another hunter, carnist scum. you deserve it.
shareSorry I said that was my last post, but I can't ignore your last words. You just wished another human being a slow and painful death because of their diet choice right after calling THEM a sociopath. WTF is wrong with you?
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*beep* hunters and all carnist scum. they should all get shot or killed by animals. it'd be poetic justice.
i don't care what people think, only how they act. all life has a right to defend itself and others. no person has the right to harm except in self-defence. selfish carnist scum deserve to be treated as they treat others.
If you fail to realize what is wrong with that logic then I give up on reasoning with you or anyone who shares your views. I hope you're just here to "stir the pot", if not you're more of a "scum" then I could ever stoop to being despite your very low and unmerited OPINION of me. So have fun with all your hate I have a wife and ten week old son to go love on.
shareyour only "reasoning" has been to state that "if i'm stronger then i have a right to kill - except people!" the latter part being completely arbitrary and inconsistent. it's people like you who are the cause of all involuntary hierarchy and who selfishly attempt to rationalise unnecessary suffering and murder of others. when people like you mention freedom it's in the individualist sense only relating to yourself and your interests, not of others or equality. like all tyrants you deserve to be abolished. sociopathic carnist scum.
shareAnimals were put on this earth to be killed and eaten by humans. End of discussion.
sharedogma. "End of discussion."
shareIDK In other Disney movies they were not.I think it just depends on the point of view in the movies,'cause hunters are evil in the character's points of views in this movie.The forest animals in Bambi do not know any better than to think that..Like in some Disney movies,where the main characters are like mice than cats would be viewed by them as evil,'cause they don't know any better.(ex.Cinderella(except Lucifer really was a jerk),The Great Mouse Detective)But in something like The Aristocats where it is about cats,cats are not.I think it's just point of view for the main characters....
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If you kill the animal to eat it, I think it is okay to hunt (saying it isn't would make me a hypocrite), but I don't like when people kill deers (for example) just to kill. I don't think that's okay.
shareWell you do have to be a little f_cked up to enjoy killing something and all it a "sport".
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Not everyone. I as all into animals growing up, and used to be adamantly against it without trying to understand it or think outside the box. I don't see what's so terrible about it now, especially where I live, because we have a major overpopulation of deer. It's actually needed.
I guess senseless/reckless hunting, especially for a species that doesn't need population control... or if you don't eat/use/donate the meat...that's harder to swallow.
I only think hunters that kill for pure fun and sport is pretty evil.. If you use that deer though, like eat it and use the fur then well I guess it's okay..
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I don't necessarily hate all hunters (some of them are sort of friends of mine), but I do despise the practice of hunting, especially with firearms.
I know that some non-human animals hunt and kill, but they usually have to eat meat to survive. You ever see a tiger or wolf munch on veggies? The only non-animals I've even heard of a tiger eating is a spiky durian.
I came to this board a few years ago protesting hunting; I was called a "PETArd" and told that "the bible says it's okay to hunt," as if that was supposed to sway me.
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Hunters are not evil, PETA is an asinine organization, and animals are tasty particularly when they are fried and/or barbecued.
Now excuse me while I go fry up some freshly caught sea-kittens for dinner.
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I'm all for hunting deer for food, especially after a buck tried to kill me in my car. But I can seem to eat it myself, nor would I personally be able to hunt. I was once tricked into eating deer sausage, and it was pretty good until they told me what I was eating. It's just a psychological thing. But if others want to do it, go for it. The people who had me eat deer also eat wild boar all the time. They don't even have to go out hunting for them. Where they live in Texas, the boars just come out of the woods near them. They damage property have killed on of their dogs. I wonder if the PETA people would accept that as self-defense.
shareMost of us are complicit in killing animals for sport. You like baseball? What do you think gloves and baseballs are made of?
The hunters depicted bore no resemblance to reality. The guns used to hunt birds are no good against deer and vice versa. So hunters aren't going to shoot deer after missing birds.
Every animal depicted in Bambi would cheerfully eat all your veggies and seeds and leave you to starve. All animals, whether vegetarian or carnivore only worry about their own survival. You think animals only eat enough to stay alive and waste nothing? Ever watch birds at a bird feeder? They eat themselves silly and spill about as much as they eat. A nuthatch will eat the last seed and leave nothing for the finch. Squirrels appear to have no bottom to their apetites and will bully away all the birds from the feeder.
The only predator depicted was the Owl. Where were the eagles, hawks, foxes, coyotes and wolves?
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