I liked the ending


I might be one of the few, but I actually liked the ending. And it's not because I didn't want to see Cary Grant be a murderer. If it ended with Grant as a killer it somehow would have felt a little pat. (either he was a killer or he wasn't, and now we would know that he was. It would be an ending that would do nothing but answer that question) By having an ending (and motorivation for why Grant was acting like he was) that probably nobody saw coming they made both Grant's character and the movie more complex and nuanced then it would have been if Grant had just turned out to be a killer. Alot of people might think that the movie wimps out, but to me this is one of the classic twist endings in Hollywood history.

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The ending ruined the flick. "What? You were going to poison yourself?" That's terrible. To try to answer all the questions by having a character explain it is weak. The ending is forced, and hurt the movie.

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I love this movie, but I don't like the ending. The ending is pretty contrived. I think it'd be better if he were the killer.

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I agree, I was just completely upset at the ending. I tried to make myself see the ending in a different view by saying it gave off a good message about never suspecting things until you find out the real truth. It still was not the best I've seen come out of Hitchcock. After watching this movie I finally realized how one-dimensional Cary is.

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Actually the question is Who is Johnnie? We see him as a playboy, a lover, an immature husband, a liar, a thief, mysterious husband, a murderer, and then finally a loving husband.

The Question is which one will you pick? Hitchcock's original ending was different. But the studio was against Hitchcock's original ending.

SO he made this ending. That is one of the reasons why I like this film.

Suspicion (1941) is the first thriller that influenced other great thrillers in the future like Psycho, Rope, North by Northwest, Vertigo, and Marnie.






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There was also the idea that Cary Grant, having just come out of several romantic comedies, couldn't be regarded as a murderer - the censors just didn't like the idea.
Hitchcock had the same problem with Ivor Novello in 'The Lodger' - A popular star had to be proven innocent.

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I thought the ending bad in some ways - good in others. I think I would be disappointed either way. If he was the murderer it wouldn't be much of a mystery or a shock ending since everything pointed to him being the murderer and the main character (and I'm sure most viewers) would have expected it. It would have been a lame ending (unless done in a very interesting way). If it ending ambiguously maybe it would have been ok. The movie was just too long for such a simple premise.

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>>> If he was the murderer it wouldn't have been much of a mystery or a shock ending since everything pointed him to being the murderer.

That's my point by saying it would have been to pat. They went out of the way to make us think he was a murderer, so what's the point of making him one? Really, what's the payoff? Where's the mystery in making someone a murderer that the movie has been leading us to believe is a murderer. At least movie gave us a ending that no one saw coming, and was believeable (at least to me). Unpredictable, and believeability adds up to clever. I think at least some of the people who wanted to see him be a murderer, just wanted the shock value of seeing Cary Grant as a murderer. (although, they would say I simply didn't want to see him as a murderer.) But in fact, as far as I'm concerned, a more ambigurous ending would have worked well.

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on the contrary, audiences (back then at least) would have NEVER suspected or even wanted to believe that Cary Grant would actually turn out to be a killer, and therefore it would have shocked them the most if the Cary Grant they knew and loved actually killed his wife in the movie.

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>>> on the contrary, audiences (back then at least) would have never suspected or even wanted to believe that Cary Grant would actually turn out to be a killer

No, you forget that "Suspicion" was the film version of a popular book, which many of the filmgoers had read, and so knew that Grant's character in the book was a murderer. They wouldn't have been that surprised if Grant turned out to be a murderer in the movie. (although the fear was that few would have liked it, hence the change) Plus, I'm talking about how the movie plays now (where probably few viewers have read the book), not how it played way back when.

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I like the ending as well. It's much more intregueing (sorry if misspelled) when you get very supicous of a man of commiting murder who then turns out to be harmless. It's rather disappointing when you suspect something all along that turns out to be true at the end. Then there's no surprise, no payoff. Having Grant as a killer wouldn't make sense. Why would he want to kill his wife, he was not the type of person in this film to kill someone only for money. Granted he was selfish, and immature but he did not come across as the homicidal type to me.

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I agree with you about the ending. But I don't think Cary Grant was selfish. He actually loved Lina a lot.

We even see Lina saying this in the beginning of the movie "Oh, I know you didn't marry me for my money. You could have done much better elsewhere."

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Exactly! Thus the ending used makes perfect sense.

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OK, here is my two cents after view this with a friend this past weekend after many years.

I think people who focus too much on the ending loose the enjoyment of this great film by Hitchock. Actually, whether Johnnie is the killer or not is irrelevant. First, let me explain. The title of the film is called "Suspicion" not "I Know My Husband Is Trying To Kill Me!" The film is about the psychological effects of suspicion and the side effects of miscommunication in the marriage of Johnnie and Lina. In fact, at the end, Lina utters: "Had I ONLY known!" as if to suggest that maybe she didn't know him as well as she thought she did and had been caught up her mind and doubt (as to whether he was or was not trying to take her money, whether he was trying to lie to her, whether her was trying to kill her) that never really had a single discussion about anything pertinent.

Also, Johnnie's friend ALWAYS being there pretty much caused a riff between them. Sure, he was funny (I love when he does that "Old B" line) but really, it seems as if Lina felt more at ease with him than with her own husband! Lina is self conscious because everyone around her plant seeds in her head about who she is. She's apparently considered an "old maid" by her own parents, but manages to get Johnnie. She "cannot blame Johnnie" for anything, but practically leaves him. This film is about her development as a character. This goes to prove that this is Joan Fontaine's movie...Cary Grant is GREAT in this movie..but this center of the story is Lina and her suspicion of her husband.

My friend and I had to rewind the last part of the movie because it happened so fast. I think Hitchcock liked to play around with audience expectations as well as their minds, until the very end like he did with this film. And even now, people get annoyed!

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Hi,
I thought the ending was fine. It did had a sudden twist. But that doesn't lose the focus of the subject "Suspicion".

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Is he really innocent? That little arm around the shoulder thing is a Hitchcock trademark used for bad guys. We could be taking a good man's word on something... or a killer's.

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Hi,
Cary Grant was supposed to be a killer in the movie. But Hitchcock was forced to change his idea of ending. So in the final cut of the movie (which we watch), Cary Grant is really innocent.

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I know the legend about the original ending but I'm not sure I buy it. First, obviously, as stated before, the title is "Suspicion," so one can assume it is the suspicion and not the "My husband is trying to kill me" aspect upon which we are supposed to focus. In addition to this, her husband's innocence fits in perfectly with the Hitchcock "wrong man" theme. I have no doubt Hitchcock was willing to use the ending he had referred to in many interviews, but I have a feeling he didn't argue that violently against the change. The innocence of Grant becomes a nice twist.

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I found the ending shockingly misogynistic--even by Hitchcock's standards! "Hey ladies, even if your husband is a drunk, a cheat, a womanizer and a liar, you'd better stand by him; for if he offs himself, it'll be all YOUR fault!"

What a wonderful message! :roll:

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I would have preferred Hitchcock's intended ending instead. The impact of Johnnie being a murderer would have been 10 times greater. We all knew the movie was building up to that moment when Johnnie was going to kill Lina. We were waiting for it! By making him innocent right at the end with exposition and debunking Lina’s suspicions (and the viewer’s) was anti-climactic and a little unsatisfying.

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Hi,
Not exactly. Hitchcock's original story was a bit sharp and bit weak. So the audience didn't liked it.

So the studio and Hitchcock was forced to change the entire story.

And I like this version better than Hitchcock's version, because this movie was responsible for Hitchcock to create some ideas in Psycho.

The happy ending in the movie makes sense, because of lots of reasons.

1) He didn't marry Lina for money. We even see Lina saying this in the beginning of the movie "Oh, I know you didn't marry me for my money. You could have done much better elsewhere."

2) Beaky knew Johnnie lies. But he also knew that Johnnie is not a person who destroys the lives of others. That is the reason why he visited Johnnie often

3) This movie is sometimes also known as "Early Rashomon", because almost all of the scenes in the movie are in Lina's point of view.

4) Johnnie stole 2000 pounds from Captain Melbeck's Real Estate Office to pay all of the debts.

5) As for the novel, Johnnie wanted to write a novel with undetectable poison in it, so that he could pay back the money to Captain Melbeck.

6) When he found out that Lina is trying to be away from him, he decided to use the poison on himself.

7) We also see Johnnie saying this to Lina "I know I have been naughty. But it is all for you".

8) And we know that Johnnie isn't lying in the end.

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I don't know about others on this board but I always hate when movies end the way I suspect they will. I think that is one of the most unsatisfying things that can happen in movies.

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I agree. That is why I liked Hitchcock movies like this movie, "Psycho", Vertigo, and other great ones from him. And the ending of the movie sums up Lina's psychology.

And it is more satisfying.

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i love the ending and i love the film. i am really tired of hearing people talk about how the film is so unlike the book. it's clearly very different, and therefore requires a different assessment. i think the whole point of the film is that it shows how a person's imagination can completely overtake them to the point of severe doubt, and we can be easily convinced of things. the psychology of lina is fascinating, as is the psychology of Johnny--an gambling addict and clearly depressed one at that. i think that the psychological assessment of the two is a necessary component of understanding the film, and perhaps a little trinket of realizing this was given in the first scene, where lina is reading a book on child psychology:) GREAT FILM

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I agree. The movie is far better than the novel. Ending is amazing. There are lots of clues given in the movie that shows the point of view.

1)Alfred Hitchcock's Dog "Johnnie". Johnnie goes with Lina to Isobel's when Lina suspects that her husband might be a murderer.

2) Of Course the book, "Child Psychology".

3) We see Joan Fontaine (Lina) saying "I know you didn't marry me for my money. you could have done much better else where." This proves that Johnnie loved Lina truthfully.

And many more.

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It's so clear that Johnnie killed Beaky when the police tell Lina that in Paris, someone heard the Englishman being called "Olbean" or "Holbean" by Beaky.

This is the most chilling scene in the movie. She knows about the nickname Old Bean, and she knows the police are totally fooled and think this is the Englishman's last name. How about a physical description of the Englishman by the waiter? Guess they didn't think of it! It's almost a comical thing, like a Woody Allen stunt. The killer escapes detection by dumb luck. And we have grown to care for Beaky too, and are shocked that Johnnie could deliberately kill his friend...but this lack of any conscience is the hallmark of a sociopath.

And also, with her fainting and feeling unwell it crossed my mind that she was supposed to be pregnant, not only being constantly upset about his bad behaviour. It was only obvious considering they were wild about each other, had a magnificent satin quilted bed they shared which was the focal point of their house(up until she got suspicious), and really the physical attraction was the only thing they had between them. But the pregnancy is never mentioned in the movie.

We all know the ending was tacked on, and some like it, some don't, but they did NOT excise all the evidence shown in the film that he was a psychopath and a killer. (I read here that when all those scenes that made him appear guilty were taken out it ran only 55 min. and so they were put back in).

His entire way of life was that of a narcissist and sociopath (plus he was a compulsive gambler and liar. All of these are charming hijinks?). He pursued her deliberately, from the moment he sat in the first class car with her even when he couldn't afford it. She may not have been the richest but she was the most innocent and he at least thought he would get money out of her father (note the bitter disappointment in the antique chairs, and his selfishness in immediately selling them). Notice the fit of rage after he was sweet to her for a long time, until she interfered in his plans for developing the land. He has to be guilty, even if the end we are given shows them reuniting because she believes his story. There's no way on earth all that behaviour was just childish mistakes. All of it was deliberate on his part.

The movie is so flawlessly crafted, and mesmerizing to watch, both for her innocence and his scheming, but a bit spoiled overall because I know Hitchcock wanted it to end with him killing her with the poisoned milk. It just doesn't matter about the ending since we still have all the scenes showing his true nature, that he cared nothing about people, just scheming, gambling and charming people so he wouldn't have to work.



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I got a totally different impression by the "Holbean" comment. Yes, that was what he called Johnnie, ( old bean ) but I also felt it was what he called everyone. As in, an Australian calls people "mate" I did feel it was supposed to make you THINK he did it........We are seeing this movie from Lina's perspective.........she was convinced of his guilt, so what someone else may see as cooincidence, we are shown as proof of guilt.

And I don't quite understand what he would have gained if he killed Beaky.........obviously even with Beaky dead he didnt get the money he needed..........so where did he gain there? Why did he save Beaky at the cliff if his intention was to kill him the next day? My only question was, why DID he back out of the real estate deal.........I find it hard to believe it was a sudden attack of conscience, although we are supposed to think he is redeemed at the end. I think Hitch left the confusing aspects in, because in his heart he wanted Johnnie to be a killer.........a small sort of victory to leave the audience with such doubts in their mind. Just my opinion.

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The movie is a masterpiece, because of the Strong screenplay, Strong Direction, and Strong Performances by Cary Grant and Joan Fontaine.

Samson Raphaelson, screenwriter of the movie changed lots of things in the movie. So it is kind of tricky.

I will start with your first line

"It's so clear that Johnnie killed Beaky when the police tell Lina that in Paris, someone heard the Englishman being called "Olbean" or "Holbean" by Beaky."

The Frenchwaiter who heard "Olbean" or "Holbean" only has "a slight" understanding of English. It is highly possible that Beaky was talking about Johnnie or Old Bean, but not talking to Johnnie or Old Bean.

Lina clearly says this "Oh I know you didn't marry me for my money, you could have done much better elsewhere".

Nearly every single scene is in Lina's point of view. Johnnie clearly says this on the dinner "If you're going to kill someone, do it simply. The Most important thing is no one should suspect me".

if Johnnie killed Beaky, then the murder wouldn't have been suspicious to the Policemen.

We know that Isobel is aware of Beaky's death and its parallel with the Trial of Richard Palmer.

Here are other reasons why Johnnie isn't the murder of Beaky.

1)We know that Beaky is a friend of Johnnie since Johnnie's childhood. And Johnnie claims he had been broken financially all of his life.

2)Beaky supports and appreciates Johnnie and his works.

There are more evidences throughout the film to prove that Johnnie isn't the murderer.


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Screenwriter Samson Raphaelson called the ending "a happy ending".

I do agree the fact Johnnie (Cary Grant) lies and steals. But he loves Lina truthfully. That is one reason why he brought back the chairs.

In the novel, Lina insists Johnnie to bring back the chairs. So Johnnie brought back the chairs. But in the movie, she doesn't insist him at all. She just says "if they are gone, they are gone." But still Johnnie brought back the chairs.

If Johnnie was looking for money, then he would have married a Lady, who is more wealthier than Lina. We can see that in the very beginning.

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