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noir question,hitting women


I don't recall an example in this film but I have a general comment/question about noir films.

I have watched a few recently (UNION STATION,THE STREET WITH NO NAME and others )and it struck me that in many of the films the gangster's girl is pretty but is liable to be slapped about at least once in the film.
Given the moral code the films worked under,they were not allowed to show couples on a bed never mind in one,was it somehow ok to show women being slapped as long as they were bad girls who had swopped their respected position as women in exchange for the rewards of being a gangster's moll?

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was it somehow ok to show women being slapped as long as they were bad girls who had swopped their respected position as women in exchange for the rewards of being a gangster's moll?

In general, it was more something like: It's OK to show criminal behavior (including assault, regardless of the gender of the victim) as long as the criminal's overall pattern of law breaking will eventually lead to them being imprisoned or killed (even if not for every single crime that they commit).

However, it is worth noting that a certain amount of "manhandling", and sometimes slapping, could be considered completely justified under the Production Code ..... depending on the details of the circumstances.

For example, in the Western El Dorado there's a scene where James Caan makes a comment to woman (I think about her hair looking unkept, which it does at that moment), she slaps him, and he slaps her back. That one seems to have been considered all fair and even, and no-harm-no-foul. The tit-for-tat, even retribution, no-harm-no-foul line of reasoning also seems to apply to Cary Grant's shoving of Katherine Hepburn after she purposely breaks his golf club(s) at the very beginning of The Philadelphia Story.

(I'm not coming up with any specific examples off the top of my head, but you may also find examples when a cop or someone similar slapping down a "gangster's moll" who is coming after him is considered to come under the heading of "justifiable self defense".)

Toward the end of The Quiet Man, Maureen O'Hara is about to get on a train to leave her husband, and he (played by John Wayne) comes and takes her by the arm and basically forcibly drags her back to town so that she can see him do something else. I think that "manhandles" is a fair description. The censors seem to have considered that to have been appropriate to the circumstances at the time, but it certainly wouldn't be considered "correct" or "appropriate" today.

In The Thin Man there is a point when Nick full-out punches Nora in the jaw. Somebody else was drawing a gun, and he felt that was the only way to be completely certain of getting her down and out of the line of fire quickly enough. I've seen people debate whether that was true or not, but there is no doubt that that was the character's intent. The censors of the time seem to have been fine with that rationale.

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Good reply,thank you,I just started to watch a lot of film noir and noticed all the slapping,I suppose it reflects real life as well with on edge criminals hitting out at those nearest to them.

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Also referenced in Chinatown where Jack Nicholson's character literally slaps Faye Dunaway cheek to cheek in an almost comical scene that gets pretty dark.

"MALLL NOOO, JESUS CHRIST!" - Leonardo DiCaprio, Inception

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I think that it is worth noting, within the context of the original question regarding movie censorship rules, that Chinatown was made *after* the Production Code no longer applied; we were already in the MPAA Ratings era by then.

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Gee. You folks talk about hitting women like that's a BAD thing.

Q. What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
A. Nothing. You already told her twice.

This has been a message from your Dept. of Political Correctness.

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This is actually pretty funny. I assume you're being sarcastic. If not, you're a fool who deserves to be 'told' a few things yourself. 😊

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Why, that's just awful.

BWAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!




I want the doctor to take your picture so I can look at you from inside as well.

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Yup, that's exactly how it was - perfectly OK.



Hey there, Johnny Boy, I hope you fry!

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Back then not uncommon for movie hero to give stroppy woman a good spanking- generally in comedies or westerns.

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I don't think the issue of hitting women is unique to film noir. It's just reflective of the times in which these movies were made. It was apparently acceptable to hit both women and children at certain points in history. Naturally, being socially unacceptable hasn't kept some people from abusing others. Thankfully, these days abuse is typically portrayed in movies as a negative thing.

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" When you're slapped you'll take it, and like it ! "

Of course Sam Spade was talking to Joel Cairo but in this case the little fag was next to being a woman.


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We forget the status of women in 1941. They were often thought of as no more than large children, at least in terms of their emotional stability and control. This was a kind of duality, where both men treated them that way but it also gave license to women indulge emotional outbursts and hysteria, and often with some level of cynical manipulation involved.

Thus slapping a woman engaging in such conduct was seen as somewhat acceptable to shock them out of their emotional state. I don't even think it was meant as malicious violence (at least as commonly portrayed in films), but a necessary corrective to an emotionally out of control woman, perhaps even a kind of beneficial "bitter medicine" which relieves them further descent into an emotional crisis.

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"Thus slapping a woman engaging in such conduct was seen as somewhat acceptable to shock them out of their emotional state."

This is hardly unique to how women were depicted. Women have a long history of smacking men around in cinema. They've thrown the first blow and not in self defense either. One example that's viewed as comedic is Cher slapping Nicolas Cage around in 1987's "Moonstruck." That surely is an instance of the "smarter" woman whacking a man in the chops to snap him out of his apparently intolerable emotional state. Keep in mind that this is intended to be funny!

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Most of these movies showed people beating, stabbing, or shooting each other, so slapping was probably not thought of as a big deal.

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