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Is horrid model shot charming or embarrassing?


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Part of me finds it rather endearing , that is looking at a model car village which is supposed to be real location, but I mostly find it hilariously bad that such blatant minatures were allowed into a Hitchcock movie.

At first I thought it was a deliberate model shot, that the camera would pan back to reveal a kid playing with his train set and model village but I simply couldn't believe it when it was supposed to be real.

Don't get me wrong I really like Hitchcock and I enjoyed this film, but could you imagine Tarantino or Fincher inserting this shot into their films, I don't think so. The mere thought of this makes me laugh.

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You have to keep in mind it was 1938 and Hitchcock still wasnt a name in the US. He probably had a budget of 10 pounds hence using a miniature train set as the opening shot. Sure its a shocker but Hitchcock didnt have the money or the technology that tarantino or fincher have. Think about the disadvantages ie lack of money/technology the director faced before u go criticising his work.

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But Hitchcock was probably the most impressive visualist of the Uk Hollywood brigade, of that time and isn't it just possible that he could have really clamoured for this to not have been included.

By the way I would hardly call this a criticism, more a back dated suggestion.


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Movies were not meant to be bastions of realism, especially at this time. Everybody knew they were models, but it's simply accepted, and part of "movie magic." And why are you comparing the technology of nearly 70 years ago to that available to Fincher and Tarantino? Very strange.

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By the way, were the shots of the train locomotive also of miniatures? It sure looked like it but I must say that at least that part was done very well.


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there were lots of shots of models throughout the film

some of the train shots looked real, but several were obviously models

I can live with that. Melville did the same thing in Un Flic 30 years later, and I can live with that too


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To tell the truth, I never noticed the model shot at the beginning as anything that took away from the film. It was just early special effects. Watch other films from the same time period and see just how many obvious model shots there are. Also, to go forward to other special effects in later years, note how many of the early CGI effects now look ridiculous because they're so obviously computer generated. That doesn't denigrate the films, that denigrates the technology that was availble.

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Agreed Ihb5 and a similar style film to this was "Night Train to Munich" which also employed obvious model shots. I also agree that some of the CGI nowadays looks too much like CGI and detracts from any kind of reality ("X Men 3" for example).

But this post is liking the genius of Hitchcock to more modern day Directorial wonders like Fincher and Tarantino. All I was saying that these dudes would never employ such artificial techniques that look horrible and embarassing and I'm suprised that the legend (Hitchcock) didn't manage to get the model shot thrown out.

Maybe the producers were too pushy.

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Sorry, but I can't not say this: comparing Tarantino to Hitchcock is like comparing Velveeta to Camembert. Both have their place, but you shouldn't put one against the other. That's not ripping on Tarantino: I loved Pulp Fiction and found the Kill Bills to be fascinating. He's a revolutionary director but he's gotten lost in his own legend. Violence as art is fine if you can maintain artistic integrity, but Tarantino has just been repeating himself. And much of Kill Bill is artificial; that's the point. Maybe part of the problem with the Lady Vanishes is that it does not make enough of a point of the artificiality of its opening.

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Fair point CN, but the point is you can compare Hitchcock to Tarantino. Both were and are directors with film star status, both make greatly entertaining, artistic, unpretentious films and both employ great music in them for the most part.

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Ironically enough you could compare Hitchcock to Tarantino in this way. Think of the deliberately hammy plane in the orange sky in Kill Bill: Vol.1 when the Bride is flying to Japan.

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that's like saying Rockstar would never make video games using graphics that consist of squares and rectangles like the supposedly great Atari did...completely disregarding the contexts of the very different times being compared


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Hitch LOVED trains, models toy towns, and even that stupid little toy car going by in the beginning. Also, in Young and Innocent he indulges this elaborate toy set. By the time he made Rear Window the whole film was one gigantic (thankfully far more realistic) toy! He had a ball with that kind of stuff. In many ways he was rather childish and fun-loving.

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I think that opening is kind of cute - almost like the beginning of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. There are some other scenes that use models.

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The opeing model shot is actually REALLY good; only the little car gives it away. I love it. It reminds me of a model train layout, as if these characters and this story were taking place on a model train layout, which is the perfect setting given the comic bits and often absurd story.

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What makes the model terrible is the fact that certain elements move in a very misguided attempt to make it look real. Several people are standing there motionless. Then one of them moves in a terribly jerky way. Then a car or something strolls by. Those moments added to the cheapness and fakeness.

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It would be embarrassing in his later movies but here I forgive it because it's a low budget movie. If Fincher or Tarantino had been making a movie with a low budget early in their careers, with no Hollywood backing, they totally would have had stuff just as embarrassing.

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I thought it was charming. It was blatantly obvious, yes, but I liked it. I always took it as Hitchcocks imagination, like he was playing with his train set and his imagination came up with this story.

I can also totally see Tarantino using models like this, we all know how he loves to pay homage to classic movies, it honestly wouldnt surprise me if he did something similar to this.

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Given the fact that Hitch was still in the process of becoming one of the most influential Hollywood directors of all time AND the fact that, therefore, the budget for this film was not the lush amount of his films made in Hollywood, I'd have to say it's totally acceptable given the purpose of the opening scene as well terribly creative given the film's limited budget.

Most likely, they couldn't get any realistic-looking location footage since the Alpine terrains of Europe at this time were under siege.

What I thought was sort of an endearing touch was having the small figurines in the model jerk so as to give them some sort of life.

What I find far less forgivable is Hitch's insistence on using movie fakery in his later movies, when he had bigger budgets and Technicolor film.

"Dial 'M' for Murder" is probably the worst, with its big fake finger shot for the purposes of 3D as well as the rear-projection shots for scenes that could have easily been shot on a small set (i.e., the outside entrance to a townhouse, etc). "Vertigo" employs the classic "zoom-pan-out" shot that IS creatively disturbing, but there are other shots in V that annoy me, most of all the shot where James Stewart sees Kim Novak in his apartment for very first time and there is this blurry greenish oval that covers her while he tries to adjust to the fact that his fantasy has now become reality. I don't see how those scenes were "acceptable" back then. I find them tacky now.

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I put this opening shot of trains in a mountain village station on my desktop and I don`t really see how is it so obvious it`s a model shot. As a matter of fact, I couldn`t be sure it is one - it can only be deduced by checking the filming locations which tell me that the movie was entirely shot in England. No mountain villages there.



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Absolutely charming.

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