What would be a neutral debate stage in this day and age?

Everything seems so divided and partisan, it's hard to see a stage where any candidate feels comfortable with the moderator. However, I did feel that the recent debate between Trump & Biden was fairly neutral. That being said, they're not known for that, and the backlash from the last one, I don't know that they'd do that again.

Who do you think would make a good and neutral debate stage?

If they don't debate, I'd like to see some kind of tour of long form, real, interviews with the candidates to see where they really stand on issues. The best place I see for that is podcasts. If they talk with someone for 1-3 hours, we can really get a taste of what they're looking for.

I think we need to see that instead of setup bullshit from either candidate!