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What the average Ukrainian is saying now ...


I initially supported the war against Russian invasion, but as I saw my neighbors dying, my country getting destroyed and having to live without a job or electricity - I don't think it was worth it to hang on to these 4 oblasts (states); especially after I learned the truth that my supposedly democratic government was at war with our own people, the ethnic Russians in Donbas, who just wanted to be autonomous or neutral and left alone.

I just want this war over and I don't care about the Donbas, just end this war and let us have our lives back. This war is pointless and the more I learn the more I see my country has having been manipulated by America - at our expense, while we Ukrainians pay the price.


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Average Germans, Europeans, Britons and even Americans are speaking similar.

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Ummm…ok.

So the average Ukrainian is wrong then?

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They're screwed ... they have nothing to say about what their own government does. Some democracy, huh?

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That is because it is not.

Both Zelenskyy and Putin are corrupt socialist dictators responsible for mass murder.
Both come from the same leftwing ideology.

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Both Zelenskyy and Putin are corrupt socialist dictators responsible for mass murder.
Both come from the same leftwing ideology.


Ummm Putin Rigged the US 2016 and Put Trump in office when Hilary Clinton Technically won , the Left Wing isn't bad is the better way Zelenskyy isn't corrupt never has been , Putin is Though

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To “the left” of the spectrum, you have an ideology called “Socialism”.
From “Socialism” came Communism, Fascism, and Nazism.

So when you say…"the Left Wing isn't bad is the better way".

You are saying… “Communism, Fascism, and Nazism isn’t bad is the better way”.





https://mronline.org/2022/07/22/how-corrupt-is-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/

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Socialism isnt Nazism what do you Republkkkans Say "Facts Dont Care Aboyt Your Feelings" put some ice on that Burn

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…and once again…another leftwing liberal democrat spouting Nazi and Hitler at the Republican-Right.

Socialism is on the “fucking left” of the political spectrum.

From Socialism came: Communism, Fascism, and Nazism

Nazism is a form of Fascism.

Learn your history of Socialism and all of its branches and aspects.

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Learn your history of Socialism and all of its branches and aspects.

i did your falling on your own sword

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So that means that you are just trolling and you already know better...I get it.

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you should know better Putin rigged the 2016 in favor of His Oligarch the Traitor Donald Trump

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You are such an evil fascist.

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"You are such an evil fascist."

No that's Putin,Trump and Kimmie

Not Biden,Obama and Hilary Clinton

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Hell, you did not have to provide any more proof...

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average kremlin propaganda dummy

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Who are you? Oh, wait, an anonymous propaganda troll at moviechat. How can there be a reason not to trust you?

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You reverting to name callling me "porpaganda troll" means you cant handle the truth

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A fan of tv, but apparently not of facts!

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement"


Feel free to look it up for yourself...

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There are two categories of people when it comes to facts/information.

1. The oblivious or uniformed
2. They know the truth but are just trolling

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you are likely from the first category; and therefore, give you the benefit of the doubt. That is, unless you are like others who are in denial and/or indifferent about it and prefer to believe the lie.


Fascism was created by Benito Mussolini.

Benito Mussolini was a socialist and his father was also a socialist.

Socialism is on the left of the political spectrum.


https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-mussolini#:~:text=2.,Amilcare%20Cipriani%20and%20Andrea%20Costa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2015/Samuelsfascism.html

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-mussolini-invented-fascism/

https://time.com/5556242/what-is-fascism/

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/benito-mussolini-1


I forgot to mention that the information you find online that pins “Fascism/Nazism” to the right of the political spectrum is a great big lie created by your leftwing-democratic-socialists friends, just like the many other lies they have manufactured and fabricated. When those lies do not work, then they obfuscate and distort the truth.

Any extremist right-wing can claim to be a "Nazi/Fascist" but those two ideologies originated from two leftwing totalitarian socialist dictators (Mussolini and Hitler), and nothing can change those facts. Nazism is a form of Fascism. Communism also originated from "Socialism".

Socialism is a very broad ideology with many branches and aspects of which the entire foundation was a great "deceptive lie".
Learn the entire origins and history of "Socialism" and you will find this to be true.

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Ok brah, whatever you say! 🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣🙄🤣




"Nazism the common name in English for National Socialism is the far-right totalitarian political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler"


far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right far-right

https://media.tenor.com/qe6VR4ZhEK8AAAAM/what-a-moron-del-griffith.gif

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So you are from category two...got it.

It is not whatever I say. They are all historical "facts".

Hitler's entire ideology originated from "socialism" which is on the left of the political spectrum, read his manifesto "Mein Kampf".

It is no wonder that socialist-liberals like you are "always trying" to invert facts, logic, and reasoning.
Right is left, Left is Right; UP is down, Down is Up.

BTW, nice try with that laughter as a form to cope with an inept attempt as a defense towards your counterargument; which does nothing to refute or contradict my statement and sources of “the facts”.

That entire repeated line of “far-right” shows your level of immaturity.

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TV Fan the simple solution is not to be far right and not giving into Alt-Right Propaganda And supporting President Zelenskyy & Ukraine

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Nope. People there is no such thing and leftism and rightism in Ukraine as you have in USA. Who told you that nonsense. Not every country outside of USA is copy of USA politics. )))

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Where the fuck did I say that all country outside of USA is a copy of USA politics?

Both are dictators from the same ideology...Socialism.

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Both are dictators from the same ideology...Socialism.

because that's Narrative you want because a Neutral ass COWARD

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Are you in Ukraine fighting against the Russians?

If not, fuck off.

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"If not, fuck off."

your the coward here

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Is that the best you can do? To repeat the same shit over and over again by quoting my own replies.

Another shitty socialist-troll.

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Another shitty socialist-troll.

not as shitty as Republikkkan supporter I've chosen to Evolve and choose to be right side of history you haven't

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LOL

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why are pro russian all of sudden I want the war over by diplomatic means

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Things that never happened. LOL

Dear person. You were duped by russian bot pretending to be Ukranians ))) How can you be so stupid to actually buy this? )))) LOL Like you actually brought it here as a "source" )))) No one, literally no one in Ukraine is saying this. Its like this thing was written for dumb 10 years old children.

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Brux also told me before there's a petition signed by 320K Ukrainian wives who don't know where their husbands are. and that all the commanders are lying saying they are alive so they can take the money the us government is paying for them and put it in offshore accounts. and that these widows aren't receiving their husbands money, so they are being sold into slavery. his source?

"trust me bro"

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LOL

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You don't know what average Ukrainians are saying. The Ukrainians are trying to stop a Russian genocide. Russia has been invading their country for over eight years. The fighting has been confined to the east throughout that time. This year, Russia launched attacks on Ukraine from the north, east and south. Russia was trying to connect to Transnistria by way of Odessa. It's unfortunate that Russia has become a totalitarian dictatorship under Vladimir Putin.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/vladimir-putins-ukrainian-genocide-nobody-can-claim-they-did-not-know/

https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/press-and-media/press-releases/helsinki-commission-briefing-russias-genocide

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> You don't know what average Ukrainians are saying.

True, that is my opinion, but that is the only thing you got a little bit correct.
Virtually nothing else you said in that comment has any factual basis.

For over 8 years Ukrainian nationalists have been trying to ethnically cleanse and genocide ethnic Russians in Donbas. That is common fact accepted by everyone, even the most vocal Ukrainian propgandists.

If the fighting is confined the East, how is it a genocide? Russia has been defending ethnic Russian Ukrainians from genocide.

Russia did lauch a very stupid attack on Ukraine this year, with about 200K soldiers - against an 800K soldier Ukrainian army. That right there says they were not trying to take over or genocide Ukrainians.

There's no evidence that Russia is trying to connect to Transnistria, it's possible, and it would make sense if they can get to Odessa, but it is pure speculation with no backing evidence.

If Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship the US ought to love it since we install and support more dictators by far than democracies.

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I haven't seen any evidence of a Ukrainian nationalist genocide against ethnic Russians BUT I do know that Ukraine was trying to pass language laws that promoted the Ukrainian language instead of the Russian language. Most people in Ukraine speak Russian since the Soviet Union tried to suppress the Ukrainian language.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2017/02/22/a-short-guide-to-the-linguicide-of-the-ukrainian-language-infographics/

The fighting was primarily in the east over the past eight years up until this year. I posted above that Russia attacked this year from the north, south and east. There wouldn't be any accurate number on Russian troop strength. The Russians clearly underestimated the efficacy of the US missiles that were kept in the west per Trump's instructions. The article below shows that Russian leadership do not believe that Ukrainians are a separate culture who deserve their own country.

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/

The Russian commander cited in the article below did note that the planned control of Southern Ukraine would provide access to Transnistria.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/22/ukraine-south-occupation-russian-military-chief-rustam-minnekayev

I believe the US does promote and support the spread of democracy but some countries are clearly not ready for democracy. The removal of royal families and dictatorships has to come from within.

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Yes, the Ukrainian majority was heavy into discriminating and oppression the ethnic Russians. That is pretty common knowledge with anyone who has scratched the surface of this history even a little.

Look up the OSCE if you want to see a history of the where shelling and fighting were. They are a European non-partisan organization charged with keeping track of the violence. Again, another failure on the part of the US media to even let Americans know there is such a thing.

If Russia extends their control to Odessa it would make sense to connect to Transnistria simply because it is there. That was no on Russia's todo list - but now that Russia has to secure their actions for the future against continued US/NATO aggression it is very likely they will do that if they can - and the Transnistrians agree.

The history does not show the US cares anything for democracy, what we dominate for is strategic economic control or resources, and using those resources to help or hurt our friends or enemies.

Example is how the US has embargoed fertilizer to Cuba. And island with a population to feed that has resisted and even thrived under US oppression. Same with Venezuela.

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Dude, stop embarrassing yourself.

Stop repeating nazi russian propaganda.

You have no idea what is happening in russia or Ukraine. Stop defending russian poor mans hitler.

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"that's my opinion"

well why the fuck do we care what your opinion on what Ukrainians think of the war is?

buddy think before you right such utter bullshit.

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Oh, I see, you're trying to be funny.

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no im not. its just one of the dumbest things ive read. im not using hyperbole. your post is title "What the average Ukrainian is saying now ..."

when someone calls you out and says

"You don't know what average Ukrainians are saying."

you respond with

"True, that is my opinion,"

if you can't see why this is stupid as fuck you are hopeless. its just like before! more large bombastic statements, you can't back up with facts. are you noticing a trend? look in the mirror.

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Guess I'm hopeless then, but at least I can communicate in a calm, logical and rational way.

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no, no you can't. making shit up isn't logical or rational.

holy fuck man.

you are inventing bunch of huge claims out of thin air. just stop. take a break from this site for awhile and reevaluate your standards of evidence

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Lol I love posts like these. Like you know wtf your talking about haha

What an average kremlin propaganda dummy OP

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by his own admission he doesn't. when someone called him out and wrote

"You don't know what average Ukrainians are saying."

He respond with

"True, that is my opinion,"

Like WTF? he could literally write anything and claim its true then say "well that's just my opinion"

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That's the problem with the blank-check, "whatever it takes for as long as it takes" mindset in providing Ukraine with lethal aid. It can reduce motivation to negotiate.

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That is exactly what the US seems to want in Ukraine.
Not just the US but the UK and NATO.
Last March there were negotiations in Turkey where Ukraine and Russia were coming to an agreement, when Boris Johnson flew in and pulled the plug saying that they wanted Ukraine to fight longer.
What Russia did in its invasion of Ukraine was definitely a crime, but what the West has done in prolonging this has killed more people, ruined more economies, and made millions and millions of more people miserable this year than what Russia inititally did.
And not only that but the incredible deluge of BS propaganda to keep the war going on the hundreds of billions going to God knows where without audit it a crime and a total rip-off of the American people.

Russia is not a danger to the US. The US is more of a danger to Russia, and even Europe in that now Europe knows the US will use them as a battleground while the politicians, generals and defense industry sits across the Atlantic counting their money and buying up the country.

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I agree on all counts. NATO bureaucrats seem to be licking their chops at the prospect of further expansion, which is a mistake and a needless provocation.

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if russia has all the chips and steam rolls Ukraine, THAT reduced motivation for negotiation

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I'll take What No Ukrainian Said Ever for $500 Alex.

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Nice story vatnik

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