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Is he really as bad and guilty as several sources etc say he is?

posted 18 days ago by TheMan18 (13183)
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Ramzan Kadyrov, today 50 years old, leader (President) of Chechnya, the country that especially since late 1994 (the first war in modern times was started by and under Boris Yeltsin, the late first President of Russia) was at war with Russia and of course it was that too under Putin etc. And now that the war as such in its traditional sense may have come to an end, and ever since 2007 or so Ramzan Kadyrov is their President.

Kadyrov himself has been awarded the "Hero of Russia" medal of honour and he was actually praised by Russian government for helping to bring peace and stability to Chechnya and basically ending the war, but certain organisations especially Western ones like Human Rights Watch and others take a particularly grim and dim view of him, but are all of those allegations true and is he really as bad as some make him out to be? And is he really guilty of murders including (as bad as it would be in any case) innocents who differ from him and does he really rule with iron fist and in a way totally immoral and at odds with law and human decency? Or are such rumours unproven and thus we shouldn't be maybe that harsh on him (his father Ahmat Kadyrov, who was assassinated in summer 2004 in Grozny, was he also by logic or otherwise bad - albeit, I am not sure I remember him being criticized by journalists and HRW etc) even if perhaps we have a right to be suspicious?

Also, 13 or so years ago, around October 2011, whether by him exclusively personally or by Chechen delegation (really illegitimate or...), some stars like Hillary Swank, Jean Claude Van Damme, Vanessa Mae, Seal and others were invited to his concert to also celebrate the opening and restoration of Grozny. And as a result, they were heavily criticized by Human Rights organizations, saying stuff like when celebrities appear around him it is disrespectful to his victims, he at least is dangerous and must remain isolated if not incarcerated, him and his regime are highly criminals and did many bad deeds including possible murders of innocents etc. Even if its all a gospel truth, did they really deserve to be under fire for it, and were such complaints entirely just? What about plenty of democratic countries with their leaders having possibly innocent blood on their hands and violation records and have them invite celebrities, must Human Rights Organizations also get involved or is there something particularly egregious and more so about Kadyrov and his inner circle?

But anyways...

P.S. Is Chechnya safe today? ALSO, even if Kadyrov IS guilty of it all etc, can we still appreciate say the way the war torn Chechnya and its capital Grozny were rebuilt and all that? Or does the bad like REALLY overshadow it even in pure THEORY? And could there have been a more innocent and heroic Chechen figure to achieve it all for real and govern Chechnya and allow stars in without critical scrutiny?

[–] TheMan18 (13183) 12 days ago

I also kinda wonder...

They may be 100% right, they may be MOSTLY right etc, and I am NOT accusing them of "lying" or being too "propagandistic" or "anti-Russian" (Kadyrov Junior this guy was also at times even heavily criticized here or there for being too, and he definitely IS too (streets of Grozny in modern times are named after Putin etc) pro-Putin, for one) or anything like that, but I was wondering...

How does such an organization as Human Rights Watch really KNOW so much about this guy and his alleged atrocities? And from where, rightly or otherwise, does it get the power and knowledge to even say sent warning or punitive letters to foreign stars who attend his shows like back in October of that year, is it just part of their job or they happen to be lucky or did they somehow become informed and even 'heroic' in their pursuits of truth including that of people who govern former war zones like Chechnya?

And how come HRW know even more than Russian media does - or does Russian media KNOW but "chooses" to HIDE it? Did the Russian government have anything even suspicious on this guy before deciding to award him "hero" medal if even HALF of the rumours about him are TRUE?

P.S. And it seems like in the end, in this whole overall messy situation dating back 3 decades (yes, in modern times, its been now 30 years since back in December 1994 the war in Chechnya began), there are no real heroes and winners, and even if some are "better" than others, well, the sad and pitiful legacy of it all still remains. And what if anything can really be done about it, besides arguing however correctly that wars are wrong etc in any case?