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Why are UK politics not as Toxic as American?


...no name calling BS. And there are LOTS of UK posters here as is obvious.

Are they just more civil?

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Pretty much.
Also they identify with the party and its policies rather than just focusing on bitching about figureheads.

It goes on though. The New Margaret Thatcher statue has a man next to it selling eggs to throw.
People are up in arms about BJ (leader:right) having a party during lockdown.
It doesent bother me as much as the constant lying he did about it afterwards.


Theres none of this "The left are all pedos who want to {insert laundry list of atrocitys}"



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The New Margaret Thatcher statue has a man next to it selling eggs to throw.


Also: we have had two MPs murdered by extremists in the last five or six years. I wouldn't judge a political culture by its extremists, because they're obviously outliers by definition, but I do think it's important to note in any discussion of the current state of UK politics.

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Good point , I dont think the even Americans have had that

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Yeah. Although I suspect that's because Americans have less access to, and better security for, their politicians. On the other hand, storming the Capitol looked surprisingly easy, didn't it? So who knows?

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I guess its just a matter of time with the ever increasing division and polarisation.


...googled it , theres been a few , the recent ones dont seem politically motivated, except the Nazi one .
And lot of them are revenge attacks on judges/prosecutors rather than actual politicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_American_politicians


2019 Arkansas State Senator Pocahontas, Arkansas (outside her home) stabbed Rebecca Lynn O’Donnell Killed during an argument over money theft.
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Mark Hasse Blank.gif Republican 2013 Assistant District Attorney for Kaufman County, Texas Kaufman, Texas (outside the County Courthouse) gunshot Eric Williams Killed by former justice of the peace convicted of burglary while in office
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Mike McLelland Blank.gif Republican 2013 District Attorney for Kaufman County, Texas Forney, Texas (at home) gunshot Eric Williams Killed by former justice of the peace who was convicted of burglary while in office
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Clementa C. Pinckney Democratic 2015 (details) South Carolina State Senator Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Charleston, South Carolina gunshot Dylann Roof White supremacy
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John Roll Chief Judge John Roll.jpg Republican 2011 (details) Judge, U.S. District Court, District of Arizona Casas Adobes, Arizona gunshots Jared Lee Loughner Caught in crossfire as assailant opposed to government authority targeted Congresswoman Gabby Giffords
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J. Christopher Stevens Ambassador christopher stevens.jpg Democratic 2012 (details) Ambassador to Libya Benghazi, Libya arson members of Ansar al-Sharia and Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb Unknown

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Oh, believe me, they're TOXIC. Except that Tory Fascism is doing its level best to put down all resistance to their foul, cruel and evil policies.

FUCK THE TORIES! FUCK BOJO THE CLOWN!!!

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And here's the toxicity.

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I'm toxic? Really? How are the Tories ANY GOOD with what they're doing NOW?? Do, please enlighten me.

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You think he's a fascist though? You drop a word like that and people stop listening.

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I was reminded of this SNP MP who suggested that we're heading in that direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ3QwA5wy8

Or do you think she's overreacting?

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That's who you go to? A mad bint representing a party who survives on the oxygen of anti-English sentiment. You literally supplied a beautiful example of toxic politicking.

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I'm Welsh, Labour through and through.

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Oh, any number of complex reasons that could probably fill a fairly lengthy book. I'll briefly suggest a few, and note here that many of them also apply to other nations where the politics are less toxic relative to those of the USA.

1. Parliamentary system. The UK's parliamentary system has evolved in a fashion that encourages compromise. The US Presidential system was deliberately designed by committee to promote legislative gridlock.

2. Different media landscape. The USA dropped its Fairness Doctrine, &c, under the Reagan administration and consequently developed a very deregulated media landscape where ultra-partisanship is permissible. The UK still maintains relatively strict broadcasting standards.

3. Different education systems. I don't think I need to expand on this.

4. Different histories and cultures. I don't think I can expand on this without filling up that aforementioned lengthy book.

Of course, the USA does a grand old job of exporting its culture around the globe -- including its political culture -- via its social media corporations, (I do think we need to stop talking about the Internet as if it had no nationality. It's largely owned by Americans and modelled on American values and principles) so we're far from untainted by the 'name-calling BS'. But I do agree that we're not as toxic.

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BUT NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT!!

The forum POLTICS/DONALD TRUMP/JOE BIDEN are the hottest 'trends' on the site.

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MovieChat's users are predominantly Americans.

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And it goes on and on for 65 + threads...

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A parliamentary system is clearly a more stable political system than a two party presidential one.

Even if its largely dominated by a two parties. Minorities happen and smaller parties can exert influence.

its less of a dichotomy than a win or lose.

also by having multiple parties social tensions can be worked out politically through voting. whereas in the two party system even if you "win" your party had to be too big tent to appeal to you

hence all the crazy fringe right wingers in the USA. the republicans will never be right wing enough for them til they have outlawed gays and interracial marriage

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c. hot.

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huh?

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Unfortunately, it's hard to get stirred up with UK politics (in the last 10-15 years) due to the fact that there's no longer a distinct difference with it's two major parties (Conservative and Labour) like there used to be. Political correctness dictates that they both tow the same line (or variations on the same) as the 'make-up' of this country alters year after year.

The only advantage is (not having the huge numbers of the US) we tend to (still be able to) vote strategically here. In all fairness, they're all as bad as each other over here (I wish we were at least given the option of a Trump equivalent....all we're offered is Biden variants.....and little else)

We elected Johnson, simply to keep out an even leftist alternative (Labour and it's leader, at the time) However, despite Johnson's tough (pre-election) talk on immigration....he's proven to be just as weak and/or as inept as his (so-called) opposition?

As a smaller Island, we're pretty much near 'fucked' now (with all this PC bullshit) due to weak successive governments.

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