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the cunt support palastine. too bad for her palestinians dont give a shit about no global warming
dumb leftist bitch spread lies and fake news to enslave us all
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Supporting Palestine is not being anti semitic.
It is actually the right thing to do.
hamas attacked israel first after israel gave them milions....
how can you justify that you idiot?
Israel set up an illegal blockade around Gaza turning it into a concentration camp while allowing them only 3 hours of electricity a day and hardly any clean drinking water.
Why punish innocent Palestinians who do not deserve it?
This is what you get for not reading my comments addressed to you. I explained to you that the Israeli blockade of Gaza was legal:
https://jcpa.org/text/puzzle1.pdf
(pages 19-22)
You talk about Hamas as if the blockade of Gaza was Hamas's only problem with Israel. That completely obscures the fact that Hamas is dedicated to completely destroying Israel. So Israel ending the blockade wouldn't have actually ended the conflict between it and Hamas. Hamas never abandoned its goal of destroying Israel, it built up an army to fight Israel and it built up a huge arsenal of thousands of rockets with which it repeatedly attacked Israel. Hamas never even tried to make peace with Israel. So the blockade was entirely Hamas's fault. And using the blockade to excuse the 10/7 attack is that much more disingenuous because the attack didn't end the blockade and wasn't even designed to do so. The attack only made the blockade worse and resulted in a full-scale Israeli invasion of Gaza. The attack made everything worse for Gaza.
If the UN says it's illegal, it's illegal.
I will listen to the experts who know intl. laws and not from a hateful, biased moron such as yourself who is clueless of laws.
The Gaza Strip is a war-ravaged, poverty-stricken area, locked into 365 square kilometers and living under a tight illegal blockade on land, air and sea, which entered its tenth year in June 2016.
https://www.unrwa.org/what_the_Gaza_blockade_means
If you still stupidly disagree that it is illegal then take it up with the UN.
Send them an email explaining why it isn't.
I'm sure they will be glad to read from you and change their minds.
"So the blockade was entirely Hamas's fault."
And the attack by Hamas was entirely Israel's fault for repressing the Palestinians with their illegal blockade.
That's not how international law works. The United Nations isn't some dictatorship that can unilaterally decide international law. You claim to be "listening" to "experts" on the matter but you don't even tell me from where they get their supposed expertise on international law. You absurdly talk about the UN as if it's anything more the sum of all its members' biases. It's just another hyperpoliticized government entity.
The 2 authors of the essay I linked to are themselves both experts in international law. The UNRWA webpage you linked to doesn't explain why the blockade was against international law. It merely declares that it was. The article I linked to actually explains in detail why the blockade was legal. Please read pages 19-22:
https://jcpa.org/text/puzzle1.pdf
I already explained to you why the October 7th attack was entirely Hamas's fault. You start with the absurd assumption that the blockade somehow forced Hamas to attack. That would only make sense if the attack ended the blockade or was designed to end it. The attack did neither. Second, the blockade was a response to Hamas's takeover of Gaza. Do you understand that? It was a response to Hamas taking over Gaza and using it to repeatedly attack Israel with rockets with the ultimate goal of one day destroying Israel. Because Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel, ending the blockade wouldn't have ended Hamas's conflict with Israel. Do you understand that? Hamas didn't launch the 10/7 attack with the goal of it leading to a peace agreement with Israel. It launched the attack as part of its broader effort to destroy Israel. Do you understand that?
That link takes me to something from the:
Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs that I see on the first page!
ROFLLMAO!!!
I don't have to read any further to see how bogus and biased and in favor of Israel they obviously are going to be.
Thanx for that laugh!
You are such a joke with your trolling bullshit, you crazy crackpot you!
Tell ya what.
Show me one, just one article, any article, where they are critical of anything illegal the IDF has ever done, such as murdering innocent children, then I will consider reading what you want me to.
Amnesty Intl. also calls the Gaza blockade illegal.
It would be foolish to not also accept their expertise on this since they have studied and know human rights laws around the world.
To declare that blockade as illegal is not opinion.
It is fact.
The attack by Hamas was entirely Israel's fault for repressing the Palestinians with their illegal blockade.
Calling the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs biased doesn't prove that it's wrong about the legality of the Gaza blockade. Refusing to read the portion of the essay I directed you to just proves that you're scared of information that contradicts you. All you're doing is dropping names. And it's not just a question of alleged expertise. International organizations like the United Nations and Amnesty International also have their own biases. You're not even explaining why the blockade was actually illegal. It's NOT a fact that the blockade was illegal. If you're so sure that you're right about this then why don't you actually read pages 19-22 of the artice I've shown you and explain why it's wrong about the blockade's legality? If it really is a fact then explaining why it's wrong should be really easy:
https://jcpa.org/text/puzzle1.pdf
Your last sentence is just a lazy repeat of the last sentence from your previous response except without the word 'And' at the beginning. Did you even read the last paragraph of my previous response? It explains in detail why you're completely wrong about this. If you really think that I'm wrong about this then why don't you explain why that is:
You start with the absurd assumption that the blockade somehow forced Hamas to attack. That would only make sense if the attack ended the blockade or was designed to end it. The attack did neither. Second, the blockade was a response to Hamas's takeover of Gaza. Do you understand that? It was a response to Hamas taking over Gaza and using it to repeatedly attack Israel with rockets with the ultimate goal of one day destroying Israel. Because Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel, ending the blockade wouldn't have ended Hamas's conflict with Israel. Do you understand that? Hamas didn't launch the 10/7 attack with the goal of it leading to a peace agreement with Israel. It launched the attack as part of its broader effort to destroy Israel. Do you understand that?
The attack by Hamas was entirely Israel's fault for repressing the Palestinians with their illegal blockade.
Now you're just being blatantly dishonest. You know I'm right about the Hamas attack and you just don't want to admit it. If you really believed I was wrong about this then you would actually explain why I'm wrong about it:
You start with the absurd assumption that the blockade somehow forced Hamas to attack. That would only make sense if the attack ended the blockade or was designed to end it. The attack did neither. Second, the blockade was a response to Hamas's takeover of Gaza. Do you understand that? It was a response to Hamas taking over Gaza and using it to repeatedly attack Israel with rockets with the ultimate goal of one day destroying Israel. Because Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel, ending the blockade wouldn't have ended Hamas's conflict with Israel. Do you understand that? Hamas didn't launch the 10/7 attack with the goal of it leading to a peace agreement with Israel. It launched the attack as part of its broader effort to destroy Israel. Do you understand that?
And you've now completely given up on trying to prove that the Israeli blockade of Gaza was illegal. I guess you know I was right about its legality.
The attack by Hamas was entirely Israel's fault for repressing the Palestinians with their illegal blockade.
So now you're trying the Keelai strategy. Just repeat the same b.s. over and over and over again after I already explained in detail why it's wrong. Don't blame me because you were dumb enough to take up a completely indefensible position and didn't want to put in any effort to support that position.
You know I'm right about the Hamas attack and you just don't want to admit it.
Why should I waste any time to bother looking up, reading and posting anything you ask for when you being the Jew Tool you are will refuse to accept it by finding excuses for doing so?
Your not asking for things out of being curious.
You are doing it just to argue.
And that is pointless and goes nowhere and is a waste of time.
If you really want to know then you could look up what you are asking for.
There is just no way to have any kind of debate with you on this seeing what a stubborn fuckhead you are who refuses to see how wrong with murder and genocide Israel is responsible for.
It doesn't work to be absolving Israel for any blame for any of this conflict which is what you are trying to do and you are wrong with that.
Israel is at fault starting with the illegal blockade and then going on to murder each and every innocent Palestinian man, woman and child.
Really?! I'm "the Jew Tool"?! The "Jew Tool"?! Did you just have a brain fart? You better watch your language! You must be a complete moron to think you can talk to me like that and expect to convince me that you're right about anything.
I already explained to you that the Israeli blockade was legal:
https://jcpa.org/text/puzzle1.pdf
(pages 19-22)
If you're so sure the blockade was illegal then take the time and effort to read what I linked to and actually explain to me why it's wrong. You're not entitled to your own facts. You're the stubborn fuckhead.
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Your claim that I don't accept the supposed truths that you've shared with me is absolutely no excuse for you to be as completely uncivil as you are. And what "truths" are those? Do you mean things like your absurd claim that the Israeli victims of the Hamas attack were really crisis actors? You say this as if you haven't repeatedly ignored actual facts that I've explained to you. I repeatedly told you that the Israeli blockade of Gaza was legal. I showed you a link explaining why it was legal. You repeatedly refused to acknowledge I was right or to even look at the link.
Your disgusting insults won't get me to agree with you on Israel. They just make it even less likely for me to agree with you on Israel. Your disgusting insults just show that you're desperate because you know that I'm actually right about Israel.
"I showed you a link explaining why (the blockade of Gaza) was legal."
Yeah, a link that was a joke since it came from a Jerusalem based organization.
That would be like the Nazis coming out saying why it was legal of them sending Jews to concentration camps to be killed.
Criminals will always justify their actions.
If you even want me to consider that it might be legal then you have to find it from a non biased source that knows the law and is not basing it on a biased opinion.
I'm going with the UN and Amnesty Intl. who have legal scholars who know and study intl. law.
"Your disgusting insults won't get me to agree with you on Israel. They just make it even less likely for me to agree with you on Israel."
LMAO!
I got nothing to lose since you will never agree with one thing that I bring up with the crimes and murder that the terrorist iDF is doing in their genocide.
Prove me wrong.
Criticize Israel for anything in their inhumane, illegal treatment of any innocent Palestinians in Gaza and/or the W. Bank while not using Hamas as an excuse to justify their mistreatment.
Can you do that?
I doubt it.
"Your disgusting insults just show that you're desperate because you know that I'm actually right about Israel."
LOL
There you go making up shit about me.
I insult you because of how wrong you are about Israel and you refuse to see how they are wrong, you dumbass.
How the hell do you actually know my link is a joke? Just because it's from a "Jerusalem based" organization? Is everything from Jerusalem a joke to you? There are thousands of Palestinians in Jerusalem. Are they also a joke to you? Why is a link from the JCPA like the Nazis saying it was legal to send Jews to concentration camps to be killed rather than like the Allies saying it was legal to blockade or carpet bomb Nazi Germany? You say that as if the Nazis didn’t just try to hide the fact that they were killing Jews at the concentration camps from everyone. Your analogy is bullshit and claiming that the JCPA essay is a joke is NOT in any way a refutation of its claims about international law.
You should start with the assumption that something is legal. You shouldn't assume anything is illegal without reason. I actually provided a link explaining why the blockade was legal. You never provided the equivalent for your claim. My claim is clearly stronger than yours because it includes an argument backing it up. The authors of the JCPA essay are legal scholars who know and study international law. You didn't know that because you never even looked at the essay! Your request for a link from a supposedly non-biased source is complete b.s. because you talk as if the United Nations and Amnesty International are not totally biased themselves.
Claiming that the JCPA essay is biased is clearly just a cover for your laziness. That's the real reason you won't read it. You exposed your laziness when you responded to my comment in the discussion in the politics forum you started 5 days ago by telling me "TL:DR" just because it was a few paragraphs. You're clearly afraid of reading. But if you're really so sure that you're right that the Gaza blockade was illegal then it should be extremely easy for you to explain why the essay is wrong:
https://jcpa.org/text/puzzle1.pdf
(pages 19-22)
Go ahead. Have at it.
Your defense of your outrageous behavior is completely disingenuous. The Allies killed hundreds of thousands of civilians by bombing in Germany and Japan during World War II but you're totally okay with that. If a Neo-Nazi claimed that the bombing made it wrong for the Allies to win the war then you would argue against him. If a Neo-Nazi accused the "terrorist Allies" of murder and genocide would you deserve to be insulted by him the same way I have if you defended the Allies for winning the war despite their killing of hundreds of thousands of German civilians through bombing?
My overall defense of Israel does not depend on my willingness to criticize some other Israeli actions or policies. I'm just going to say that I obviously don't agree with every single thing Israel has ever done to Palestinians. What about you? Is there anything the Palestinians have ever done that you're willing to criticize? What about the rest of the Arab or Muslim world?
You clearly are desperate. That's why you completely ignored my detailed explanations of what Hamas is really all about. That's why you never even tried to explain to me how the JCPA article is actually wrong about the legality of Israel's blockade of Gaza.
It is sickening to me that people like RustyShacklefurd don't give a shit about all of the Palestinian Children targeted, starved and slaughtered by the Israeli military. It blows my mind how anyone could think what's going on is okay or make excuses for it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unicef-says-over-13000-children-killed-gaza-israel-offensive-2024-03-17/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/22/israel/gaza-hostilities-take-horrific-toll-children
This isn't the first war in which thousands of children have been killed and it won't be the last. Thousands of children were killed by bombing in Germany and Japan during World War II. After the war, thousands of children were killed in the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe. Gazan civilians die mostly because Hamas uses them as human shields in a very crowded urban area. If not for the October 7th attack then they wouldn't be dying right now.
Israel isn't starving the Palestinians in Gaza. The amount of food getting into Gaza has actually increased since the war began:
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1765270746010460537
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1770192074899333132?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Part of the problem is that UNRWA just doesn't distribute the aid that gets to the border of Gaza:
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1749904243748749753
Another part of the problem is that Hamas steals much of the food brought into Gaza:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1701944786-gaza-residents-dare-to-openly-condemn-hamas-as-humanitarian-disaster-spirals
And it is ALL 100% the fault of Israel the Gazans are suffering and dying.
Nope. Mostly it Hamas's fault. If Hamas hadn't carried out the October 7th attack in the first place then this war wouldn't even be happening right now. It's also partly the fault of UNRWA for not distributing the aid that gets to the border of Gaza.
shareYeah.
He is so full of shit he should change his name to: ShackleTURD.
I could go on with lengthy explanations to show him how wrong he is but why bother wasting my time with that?
Short and to the point is the way to deal with these pro Jew/Zionist stubborn fuck heads who refuse to see how their side are the ones that are wrong.
Yeah, I'm so full of shit that I actually take the time and effort to explain why I'm right about the claims I make. You can't go on with your "lengthy explanations" because you didn't have any to start with. Your idea of "short and to the point" is just making claims without any explanation to prove you're right.
shareThe problem with Rusty is that he is an absolute extremist.
There is as little point in engaging with him as there is a Muslim fundamentalist. There is no rational debate to be had, nor a wish / desire to even consider compromise / solutions to the problem.
Therefore, as you said, it's really a waste of time engaging. I have told him so a number of times and asked that he stops replying to my posts.
Unfortunately he is of the mindset that getting the last word "wins" and therefore continues to do so. Usually I will ignore his replies but occasionally do respond, generally to point out his hypocrisies or broken mental thought processes.
For example, he parrots on and on about allied atrocities in WW2, genuinely believing that gives a free pass for Israel's current abhorrent behaviour.
Now a non extremist / nationalist knows very well some terrible things were done on both sides in WW2 and would be ashamed by them and look for humanity to progress / move on from butchery. But he simply cannot mentally process that such a viewpoint could really ever exist because deep down - locked in by his own personal beliefs - he believes that everyone would have "their" governments killing people for "their" people's greater good.
So he genuinely thinks people just looking for the world to become a better place for everyone are simply lying / being untruthful when they say so. That's the only plausible reason for why he can continue to barf up this WW2 defence nonsense...
That is well put and thank you for the insights of that crackpot troll.
It's like all he wants to do is argue as if it gives him oxygen.
Yeah, why bring up WW2 since that is ancient history and has nothing to do with this current war and conflict.
Oh, I'm an "absolute extremist"? Is that so? Did you know that WarrenPeace claimed that the Israeli victims of the Hamas attack were crisis actors and he questioned the existence of the Hamas charter? But it's me that's the "absolute extremist"?
You seem to have a very inflated view of your opinions and your overall wisdom. You just automatically assume that you're right and I'm wrong but you don't try to prove it. How can you be sure that you're right about anything when you quickly abandon any discussion I engage in with you? That makes it look like you know I'm right and just don't want to admit it. And why should I stop replying to your comments just because you tell me to? It's not my job to do what you want and if you say something I disagree with then I'll tell you.
Calling me an "absolute extremist" because I defend Israel's current war is absurd. By that logic, most Israelis right now are "absolute extremists". By that logic, most of the world were "absolute extremists" during World War II because they went along with everything the U.S. and UK air forces did to Germany and Japan. None of those people thought of themselves as "absolute extremists". Everyone just went along with the necessities of the war. There may come a time when you support the same things I do now in this war when there's a war that you support. I only support Israel doing what it needs to destroy Hamas in Gaza. I don't know what you support.
Your take on World War II is completely asinine. For all your talk of being "ashamed" of the carpet bombing of Germany, you don't demand any consequences for it. You're just a shameless free-rider on the Allies' atrocities. You can't meaningfully condemn what they did as long as you accept the victory that came with it. The world still has bombs, ones so powerful that a relatively small number of them could wipe out humanity. You haven't done anything to get rid of them and neither has anyone else. So the world hasn't become a better place since World War II.
Its because you assume that creature is somehow "people".
shareYeah, you tell 'em. I'm clearly nothing like real people. I'm nothing like the entire population of all the Allied countries during World War II who just sat around and did nothing while the American and British air forces killed hundreds of thousands of civilians by bombing in both Germany and Japan. Now those were real people. Not like me.
shareCute, he thinks he's people.
shareNo, no, no. You got it backwards. I specifically said I'm nothing like actual people. You know, you once told me that if Hamas killed 20,000 Israelis on October 7th then you would be okay with the IDF completely leveling all of Gaza. Such happenstance is all that stands in the way of you ceasing to be people.
shareWeird, all I remember telling you something about you getting actual pleasure when you see israelis killing and maiming innocents.
shareThat's what you told me. You told me that if Hamas killed 20,000 Israelis on October 7th then you would be okay with the IDF completely leveling all of Gaza. Luck is all that stands in the way of you ceasing to be people.
shareYes, if Hamas killed 20k. But Hamas killed maybe 700, rest killed by idf artillery and helicopters. Prove me wrong
share"Hamas killed maybe 700, rest killed by idf artillery and helicopters."
Is that the number?
I was wondering what it was.
OK so the latest total number of 10/7 dead, which changes with the wind, right now is at 1163.
(Israel, along with the Jew controlled MSM, will prop up those numbers on the anniversaries and re-mention the bogus beheaded baby stuff to keep on justifying their murder of innocent Pals, no doubt.)
Take away 700 and we have: 463.
So MAYBE Hamas killed the majority but this still means that the IDF intentionally murdered a few of their own.
It is nothing to scoff at.
It's false that several hundred victims were killed by friendly fire during the Hamas attack. Friendly fire by the IDF may have accidentally killed a small number of the victims but certainly nowhere near several hundred. And it's that much more false that they were intentionally killed by the IDF. It was an incidental result of the enormous chaos of the Hamas attack. And there may actually have been beheaded babies. A number of dead babies were found after the attack:
https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/
It's not known in any instance whether the heads were removed before or after death or how they were removed, whether intentionally or incidentally.
There is no "Friendly fire" here.
The terrorist IDF murdered their own because they have a, "Take no hostages," policy so they don't have to negotiate releases later.
Spew your bullshit all you want to.
I will never believe it.
You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Oh, and fuck Israel.
No, it was friendly fire. You have absolutely no basis for claiming that the IDF purposely fired on Israelis during the Hamas attack. There's no evidence of that.
shareI could show you accusations and proof on the internet that shows it was not "friendly fire" but why bother wasting time with that when you will just ignore it.
You of course won't bother to look it up on your own because you cannot handle the truths being the crackpot chickenshit that you are.
You are a crackpot troll who somehow thinks that by repeating the lies over and over again while ignoring the truth somehow makes it right.
Go back to jerking off to your pics of dead Palestinian children that you love seeing so much, you sick fuck.
Why would you assume that I won't look at links with evidence of your claims if you showed them to me? Is it because that's what you do with links that I show you? You shouldn't assume that I would necessarily do the same as you. Put up or shut up.
Calling me a troll implies that you consider me a troll just because I defend Israel, not because of what I actually say when I do it. By your logic, anyone who defends Israel is a troll. Yet you're the one who actually acts like a troll. You repeatedly insult me even though I never insulted you. Get off your high horse.
Oh, I thought you were people. But then you had to go and repeat this nonsense about the IDF killing hundreds of Israelis on October 7th. Friendly fire by the IDF may have accidentally killed a small number of the victims but certainly nowhere near several hundred. And even if you were right about this, it's really bizarre to claim that Hamas isn't responsible for all of the Israeli deaths on October 7th. Even if you were right, that obscures the fact that the IDF was trying to get control of the total chaos created by the Hamas attack. Hamas would be completely responsible for all of that. Either way, Hamas is completely responsible for the deaths of all 1143 people killed in the attack.
If Hamas in Gaza isn't destroyed then a future Hamas attack may kill 20,000 Israelis. And a future attack on Israel by Hezbollah might kill 20,000. Then you would support the IDF completely leveling all of Lebanon.
"Either way, Hamas is completely responsible for the deaths of all 1143 people killed in the attack."
No, fucking Israel is.
Israel turned Gaza into a prison as soon as Hamas came to power, they wanted to put economic pressure on Hamas and wage economic warfare against them, they were unhappy Palestinians voted in Hamas so they started the blockade - it’s another attempt to control Palestinians and make them suffer for daring to protest Israeli occupation and apartheid.
The blockade and turning Gaza into an open air prison was done just to make Palestinians suffer.
It’s basically an act of war and definitely collective punishment, something Zionists completely ignore - as I’ve said before, they act like history began on October 7 and that the attack was an evil act by subhuman Jew hating monsters for no reason, instead of the inevitable result of decades of occupation, apartheid and brutality.
It was a desperate act of a group that had been pushed to their breaking point by years and years of brutal and inhumane treatment by Israel. October 7 was deadly blowback for Israel’s evil behavior - I think of October 7 as being similar to the slave revolts in the pre Civil War South, desperate acts by people who’ve been stripped of their freedom and dignity.
You don't even realize how idiotic your response is. First off, I was asserting Hamas's responsibility for any deaths that may have been directly caused by IDF fire during the attack. I was saying Hamas would be morally culpable for such deaths just as it was culpable for the deaths of Israelis it directly killed during the attack. You don't even address here what I say about that issue.
Second, you complety ignore everything I already told you about Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist group fanatically devoted to the complete destruction of Israel. Hamas isn't opposed to Israeli occupation of the West Bank. It's opposed to Israel's very existence within any borders. So even without the blockade, Hamas in Gaza would have remained in conflict with Israel. Just what the hell do you think Hamas would do in Gaza if there weren't a blockade?
Hamas never even tried to make peace with Israel after it took over Gaza. It never abandoned its goal of destroying Israel, it built up an army to fight Israel and it built up a huge arsenal of thousands of rockets with which it repeatedly attacked Israel. Hamas are rabid Islamofascists who want Muslims to conquer the entire world. They've actually admitted that. Hamas were Jew-hating monsters long before they took over Gaza. A Hamas representative said the following in an official broadcast in 2006:
My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no God but Allah. We will chase you everywhere. We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no blood better than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood and our children's thirst with your blood.
Aside from the fact that Hamas is fully dedicated to completely destroying Israel, it's completely moronic to describe the 10/7 attack as a "desperate response" to the blockade because the attack didn't end the blockade and wasn't even designed to do so. The attack only made the blockade worse and resulted in a full-scale Israeli invasion of Gaza. I don't understand why you're so afraid to acknowledge these obvious facts. share
"First off, I was asserting Hamas's responsibility for any deaths that may have been directly caused by IDF fire during the attack. I was saying Hamas would be morally culpable for such deaths just as it was culpable for the deaths of Israelis it directly killed during the attack. You don't even address here what I say about that issue."
Your blame game does not work that way.
Only an idiot in denial, as you are, will keep on claiming that only the side he is with absolves them of any wrongdoing and will come up with all kinds of excuses to do that to keep himself in denial.
According to your logic, after many years of getting harassment, intimidation, annoyances and other hassles from you it would be perfectly understanding and justifiable if I shot you and you would not blame me at all.
You won't blame me, the triggerman, if I say that it was your fault for getting shot since you were in the path of the bullet.
I did nothing wrong.
You did.
That is your blame game here.
Only one side is wrong and the other isn't even though they are 100% at fault for murdering thousands of innocents.
I'll let you get back to your jerking off to pictures of dead Palestinian children, you sick fuck.
I'll have to explain this to you again. Unlike you, almonigal was NOT blaming Israel for the attack because of the blockade. In the context that he wasn't questioning Hamas's responsibility for the deaths of the Israelis directly killed by Hamas, I was asserting that Hamas was also ultimately responsible for the deaths of Israelis killed by friendly fire. Your own opinion on overall Israeli culpability for the attack doesn't change that. Do you understand now?
You need to pay very close attention to what I'm going to say next. Are you paying attention? Do you even understand what Hamas is all about? Hamas is a strictly Islamist group completely dedicated to destroying Israel. The Hamas takeover of Gaza was the reason for the blockade. At no point since its takeover in 2007 did Hamas in Gaza ever give up its goal of destroying Israel. Hamas in Gaza never even tried to make peace with Israel. Hamas repeatedly attacked Israel with thousands of rockets. Ending the blockade would NOT have ended Hamas's conflict with Israel. Furthermore, the Hamas attack was not even designed to end the blockade. The Hamas attack had nothing to do with the blockade and everything to do with its permanent war against Israel's very existence. Hamas has openly vowed to keep attacking Israel until Israel is completely destroyed:
https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-israel-attacks-again-and-again-until-its-destroyed/
I'm willing to bet money that al least 90% of the victims burned beyond recognition were idf victims.
Hamas shot bullets, not incendiary stuff.
The fact that israel declared 1400 deaths because they couldn't identify who is who tells the story of palestinians found dead along with israelis.
1400 -1163=237. 237 hamas fighters who were most likely killed while having hostages, or shot while in cars along with nova festival civilians. If you put one fighter next to 2 hostages( at least), you get approx 450 collateral civilians or military murdered by idf.
That leaves us with 700 killed by hamas. Substract military deaths(which are legal since they fight against an occupying military force) and you get much less civilian deaths. Almost as many cilivians that israel kills in one day now.
Any future attack from Hezbollah would be purely self defense, its Israel who is actively provoking. They have wet dreams about Hezbollah crossing the border so they can act the victim again.
Sigh. You just had to go out of your way to prove you're not really people. You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about and are just making it up. The IDF didn't use any incendiaries when responding to the Hamas attack. Those burned bodies came from the houses that Hamas burned down when they couldn't get into the safe rooms. So none of those burned bodies were Palestinians. The current number for Israelis killed on 10/7 was 1143. Those were all Israelis. None of the dead Israelis were confused for Palestinians and you have absolutely no basis for claiming that they were.
As I said before, you have absolutely no basis for claiming that the number of Israeli victims killed by friendly fire is anywhere close to several hundred. And it's completely outrageous for you to claim that Israeli victims who may have incidentally been killed by the IDF in the midst of the enormous chaos were "murdered" by the IDF. Such a statement is just purposely incendiary. At least 1000 of the victims were directly killed by Hamas. And Hamas bears full responsibility for all Israelis killed on that day, even the ones accidentally killed by friendly fire. Hamas obviously doesn't evade actual responsibility for any deaths directly caused by the other side desperately trying to respond to the total chaos Hamas created.
Even your false claim that Hamas "only" killed 700 Israelis doesn't really help your case. This was far and away the worst terrorist attack on Israel in its history. It was Israel's version of 9/11. I remind you that the U.S. responded to 9/11 by decapitating the regime of a country the size of Texas. And in 1982 Israel launched a full-scale invasion of Lebanon in response to far, far less.
None of the deaths of Israelis on 10/7 were legal. I remind you that Hamas is an illegal terrorist group. Even if Hamas killing Israeli soldiers on 10/7 were legal that wouldn't help your case. That's enough to justify Israel's current war. I remind you that the U.S. launched a full-scale war against Japan in 1941 with the aim of decapitating its regime in response to a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in which the overwhelming majority of victims were military. By the end of that war over 2 million Japanese military personnel and 800,000 Japanese civilians were killed.
It's completely absurd for you to claim that a "future" attack from Hezbollah would be "purely self defense". Hezbollah already began attacking Israel in October with rockets, artillery and drones. Hezbollah started firing at Israel the day after the Hamas attack. It's Hezbollah that's provoking Israel, NOT the other way around.
Not a false claim. Prove me wrong
shareYes, it is a false claim. And you're the one making the accusation against the IDF so the obligation is on you to prove it, not the other way around. It's up to you to prove the IDF wrong. Your ridiculous claim that the IDF used incendiaries on October 7th proves you don't know what you're talking about.
shareI am not seeing any proof
shareYou're not seeing any proof of what? I'm not seeing any proof of your claims. You have zero proof for everything you're claiming, don't you? You're just making completely uncorroborated and unwarranted connections between different bits of information to draw conclusions that don't make any sense. Your ridiculous claim that the IDF used incendiaries on October 7th proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
shareI say IDF killed israeli civilians on oct 7. You say no.
I say you are a liar (and of course a sick fuck who gets a hard on every time idf kills some innocent civilians)
No, I'm not saying that the IDF necessarily didn't kill any of the Israeli victims who died. I'm saying that if the IDF killed any then it was a small number and it was an incidental result of the enormous chaos. You have absolutely no basis for claiming the IDF used incendiaries. Who the hell are you of all people to call me a liar after you made up that claim completely out of thin air? You have even less basis for claiming that I get some sort of joy from the IDF killing Palestinians. That you feel the need to repeatedly hurl this baseless accusation exposes it as a crutch you rely on to try to hide how weak you know your accusations against the IDF really are.
shareSo what is a small number for you ? 12000 like the children butchered in gaza ? More or less ?
shareSo I guess you admit that the IDF didn't use incendiaries on October 7th. Because it wouldn't even make any sense to use that type of weapon in that kind of situation. All those burned bodies were from the houses that Hamas burned down when they couldn't get into the safe rooms.
I'm not going to define what a "small number" is for you. All I can tell you is that I only know of 15 Israelis directly killed by the IDF on October 7th.
He is right.
Where is your proof to back up any of your claims?
Put up or shut up.
"Hamas shot bullets, not incendiary stuff."
This is exactly a lot of the proof right there.
Plus there are former hostages who are eyewitnesses that will say the IDF intentionally shot at them.
Along with the soldiers themselves who say they were ordered to fire at friend and foe at the same time.
There was no, "Friendly fire," here.
What proof? I pointed out to almonigal that the Israelis did NOT use incendiaries on October 7th. He only assumed that because he heard about Israeli victims whose bodies were burned beyond recognition and didn't know that they came from houses that Hamas burned down.
Just because former hostages said that the IDF "intentionally" shot at them doesn't prove that it's true. How would they even know it was actually intentional? How would they know that these weren't just cases of mistaken identity and that the IDF simply didn't know who they were really shooting at?
Do you enjoy licking the ass cracks of Zionists right after they take a big, smelly dump or do you do it out of a feeling of obligation?
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The state of Israel was started by the IDF with the express purpose of making war with neighbouring Arab countries.
The IDF's actions have little to do with Hamas. It's simply fundamental to IDF policy fof nearly 80 years to ethnically cleanse the middle east at the Arab's expense.
That in no way means I'm ignoring that Islamic fundamentalists in the area feel the same way about the Israelis.
But it is simply untrue, and unnecessary (except in the PR war) to say that IDF's actions ion Gaza are prompted by Hamas. Hamas just provides a welcome excuse.
No, the State of Israel was started with the express purpose of providing a country for the Jews. If what you say was true then Israel wouldn't already have peace agreements with 2 out of the 4 Arab countries that border it. The IDF's actions in Gaza clearly have everything to do with Hamas. There wouldn't be a war in Gaza right now if not for the Hamas attack. There's no ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Egypt won't allow in any Palestinians. And Israel certainly isn't ethnically cleansing anyone in the surrounding countries. There's clearly no IDF policy of ethnically cleansing the entire Mideast.
shareMaking war with Arabs in Palestine and neighbouring Arab countries was prerequisite to establishing a Jewish state.
Just because they haven't fulfilled it doesn't mean it wasn't or isn't and objective of the IDF.
First you claimed that making war with the surrounding Arab countries was the point of establishing Israel. Now you claim that making war with the surrounding Arab countries was a prerequisite to establishing Israel. Those 2 claims can't both be true. The latter claim reflects much less poorly on Israel. Israel was born in an environment of intense Arab hostility. The surrounding Arab countries wouldn't allow its establishment without war.
The IDF's objectives are to do whatever the political leadership and Israel as a whole wants. Israel certainly has no desire to ethnically cleanse the entire Mideast. And right now it's not even ethnically cleansing Gaza.
Yes they can both be true.
The Arabs were hostile because of promises made by Britain about the mandate that they did not keep.
The forerunner to the IDF threatened to undermine the Allies in the middle east and demanded being given their own military for the express purpose of fighting the Arabs.
Many Palestinians may not now or ever have welcomed an equally shared state in Israel/Palestine. But it has been fundamental to the inception of Israel that it would be a Jewish state and and enemy of all the Arab states in the area.
Israel and the policies it has been pursuing since its establishment, was conceived and promoted by the IDF in 1944/45. And one of the IDF's principles has always been its "duty" to make war with the Arabs. Many of the first refugees to immigrate to Palestine at the end of WWII were "recruited" from survivors in central europe by the Israeli battalions formed by the British military to try and placate the demands for an independent Israeli army (the IDF). The promise of a homeland in return for joining up to push Arabs out of Israel was explicit.
No, they can't both be true. The zionists in the British Mandate only wanted their own military to defend the Yishuv from the Arabs, who had carried out violence against Jews since the 1920s. It wasn't "fundamental" to the inception of Israel that it would be an enemy of the surrounding Arab states. The surrounding Arab states would inevitably have been opposed to Israel's very existence no matter what. It wasn't something the zionists could help.
"Making war" is not an end in itself. War is just a means to an end. The zionists simply wanted a secure Jewish state in the land of Israel. Once they did what they had to do to get the surrounding Arab states to accept such a state then war between them would end. If Israel pushed out all the Palestinians then that would mean the surrounding Arab states accepting that expulsion. Israel has always had relatively limited ends and would stop fighting wars once those ends were reached.
You haven't explained how they both cannot be true. In fact, you've just made excuses that war was inevitable thereby justifying them both being true.
No Jewish state existed at that time. So it doesn't makes sense to say an IDF was needed then to defend the Jewish homeland. That's putting the cart before the horse.
It's very simple. Either the establishment of Israel was needed to make war against the surrounding Arab states or the zionists needed to make war against the surrounding Arab states in order to establish Israel. Those are 2 different ends. One of them has to be a means to the other. A Jewish state was needed to defend the Jews who lived in the land of Israel. The IDF was needed to defend that state.
shareSupporting Hitler is not being anti semitic either.
share"... too bad for her palestinians dont give a shit about no global warming"
https://grist.org/cop28/despite-war-at-home-palestine-arrives-at-global-climate-conference/
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I'm not an idiot, and your lies can't fool me.
Nearly 62,000 people died from record-breaking heat in Europe:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/10/world/deadly-europe-heatwave-2022-climate/index.html
Palestinian girl pouring water on herself during a heat wave in Gaza:
https://www.alamy.com/gaza-palestine-29th-june-2021-a-palestinian-girl-pours-water-on-herself-during-a-heat-wave-in-khan-yunis-southern-gaza-strip-credit-sopa-images-limitedalamy-live-news-image433870230.html
heat waves existed since the down of time you moron
shareSince the down of time? haha.. Here is a map of record-breaking heat that even the illiterate could understand: https://www.statista.com/chart/27403/global-heat-waves/
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It has been getting warmer or worse since the Industrial Revolution or since humans started adding more carbon emissions into the air.
There is just no fucking way this can all be a coincidence.
No. Way.
more propoganda.
nothing is man made you dumb fuck. this is the weather and this is how its always been you moron.
She's a cheerleader for corporate leftism. Of course she's anti-Semitic.
shareHow Dare You?
shareWow. What a cruel and nasty thing to say about a young girl. 😕
shareHow do you know? Have you seen her nude?
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