Being used
Poor kid
shareBeing used to do what she's passionate about? Yeah, fu*k that! Get back to school and stop trying to save the world!
I'd kinda like her to continue her quest.
No one can do anything about what she's asking for.
No one can stop making all the products needed, make it so multiple types of the same product are made, thus closing down businesses, and no one can stop people from needing cars, etc. She's asking society to basically stop functioning and she has no replacement ideas.
I think she just wants us all to do things a little differently and the cumulative effect will have an impact. There may even be significant growth potential for business and economies in the changes. I don't honestly know if it's too late given the growth of China and India and everywhere else and against the weight of propaganda denying it's even happening and the selfishness of some Western countries. But it doesn't cost us much as individuals and may be healthier for many to make at least some of the changes in the way we live.
shareThis isn't a new issue.
Everyone is doing exactly what they will and can do. But, most people, like billions, have no control over their daily products, need for cars, etc. This has been a topic since the 60s and almost nothing has changed and that's because it can't change.
It funny but I was about to generally agree with you but then I started to think of the things that have changed. In the sixties they protested about insecticides that were devastating the bird population and now they been largely cut and there is some recovery. The idea of sorting and recycling household rubbish seemed excessive but now everyone, at least in the UK, does it. Wind turbines seemed expensive extravagances but now the hills around me are dotted with these giants. So I’m thinking things do change, perhaps too slowly but they do.
Also, there is the old political joke – Tell me what the people want so that I may lead them. If enough people say it’s important to them I suspect the politicians will discover it is – perhaps even more so than the donations they receive to look the other way.
Several strong points.
shareAsking society to stop functioning? Is that really what you hear?
sharewhat quest and passion? https://youtu.be/0bwLt_5t73g
shareNone of us were kids at 16. Were you?
shareA child "activist" is like a vegan dog. Everyone knows who made that decision...
shareHa I love that analogy. You might be right. Still she's not wrong about our future.
shareShe's a child? Were you playing with action figures and watching Sesame Street at that age?
shareShe didn't pop out of her mother's womb yesterday with this plan to save the world. How long has she been something other than a child? She's been indoctrinated for a long time and had videos on the web at least last year. Or perhaps she's a genius who has been doing research around the world gathering factual evidence since she was 10?
In her own words, she should be at school. I've been 16, and I've been 62, and unless you're 16, you'll never understand the growth all humans achieve in their adulthood.
Yes, in the grand scheme of all we will eventually know and the knowledge we will eventually acquire, she is a child.
strntz--that is a brilliant observation.
share100%, Strntz.
shareYes, she was raised to modify her environment to her suiting, it's part of the definition of human being.
shareShe's the strange puppet-messiah of the quasi-religious global warming cult. A disgusting spectacle.
shareIs it a cult when the majority generally accept that global warming is happening and we caused it? Surly the cult members are those who chose to believe the expensively publicised opinions of a vanishingly small number of researchers?
shareWho are you speaking for? Was there a vote? Why do you believe anything is "generally excepted"? There are more Christians than any other religion, but I think those other religions would have an issue with their beliefs being dismissed simply because they are a minority. Also, all religions are a crock of shit, and fairly easily proven to be if heavily scrutinized, yet there a billions of followers. So yeah, cults can be the majority and still be wrong , because people are stupid sheep.
shareCult implies a few tens or hundreds of people often isolated and secretive. It's usually derogative - though perhaps not if you're on the inside - and synonyms with "that bunch of ignorant loonies". I don't think it's a valid description when most people believe Global Warming is happening.
shareYou do know, don't you, that the phrase, "Most people believe" is the single most impotent argument to put forward in any debate? As soon as you say that, you forfeit all rights to keep talking.
Just so you know next time:
"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "argument to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so."
Thank you for that. I was not aware such a thing as 'argumentation theory' existed - though on reflection it was inevitable that it would. But at the risk exposing my ignorance even further I was not arguing that most people believe therefore it must be so. I was expressing an opinion, politely I hope, that if the majority accept something then it is not really a cult - but already I suspect that with the slightest hint of sophistry I could easily prove myself wrong.
shareHuw, I think your description of a "cult" as a smallish group isn't necessarily accurate. Cults can be widespread in communities. They can be universal, in fact. Admittedly, the term has usually been applied to small groups of like-minded people, but by definition it can be applied to an entire population. It simply means the enthusiastic embrace of an idea, belief, or even person, by a number of people who are absolutely certain that they're right and all others are wrong.
What better definition of "Climate Activists" is there?
Ok, fair enough, so can we agree that a cult can be any number of people but is basically used to label people with beliefs that differ from our own?
Perhaps a better definition of a Climate Activist might be someone who accepts the findings of the vast majority of Climate Scientists and have the energy to do something about it. They represent the concerns of people who also accept that Global Warming is happening despite the huge amounts of money spent to convince us otherwise. They represent an opinion that the Politicians are not yet convinced it's worth their while to fight for.
I'm far too old and lazy to be an activist at anything but I think that the young people who went to the UN were there because they are trying to change things for the better and not because they are being manipulated by dark sinister forces in the background.
"used to label people with beliefs that differ from our own?"
Well, Huw, one of the more irritating thing about Climate Activists is their love of labelling everyone who isn't convinced of the validity of their cause, as "Climate Deniers". That particular label is ascribed to us usually in a tone of prejudice and derision. They want us to hang our heads in shame, confess our faults, and promise to mend our ways. In that respect some of them are like religious fanatics on a holy quest. And just as irrational.
A good definition of Climate Activist may well be what you described, but the ones we see are definitely not as innocuous as that. People gluing their hands to the road, for god's sake! People who are rational enough and intelligent enough to become interested in scientific researches are not likely to publicly behave as ridiculously as that! No, the folks who glue themselves to the street and go around harassing their communities are not "Activists". They're just shallow people looking for Some Big Thing to latch onto for their own gratification. They make utter fools of themselves but they don't have the common sense to realise it.
the huge amounts of money spent to convince us otherwise.
I don't know what those huge amounts of money are, or who's spending them. Most communities are spending large amounts of money fixing the disruption and damage that "Activists" are causing with their "protest marches".
I think it's ironic that they loudly and stridently accuse governments of wilfully ignoring and overriding the demands of their citizenry, yet they seem to expect those same governments to enact rigorous but unrealistic legislation that will force their citizenry to abide by Laws, the necessity of which they're not convinced.
No, those young people are just the same as all previous young people - they're in that stage of wanting to feel like they're all grown up. They'll be very troublesome until they grow out of it.
Again with "most people". I think you'd be surprised by the number of people that did a small amount of research and realize that the data is heavily flawed. Moreso, I think a majority actually believe that even if global warming is occurring, it is part of a natural cycle on our planet.
shareIf the vast majority of climate scientists find the data compelling then I tend to believe them. Yes there are a very very few very highly publicised qualified scientists who disagree but that doesn't make the data heavily flawed. Also, yes, the climate has been warmer but this time we are doing it and there are 7.7 Billion of us to be fed. Seems reasonable to me that each of us try to live a little less greedily.
shareI've done my part. I asked the earth (very nicely) if it would stop it's normal, warming and cooling cycles.
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