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Trump wants to gift Ukraine to Russia

posted 9 days ago by KBiker (1244)
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European leaders rushed on Thursday to respond to President Trump’s moves to broker peace in Ukraine directly with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, a day after Mr. Trump suggested borders could be redrawn, NATO membership could be withheld and European allies could be left out of talks.

In meetings and statements, the European leaders asserted Kyiv’s right — and their own — to be at the negotiating table, and argued against prematurely surrendering critical bargaining chips like territorial borders and NATO membership.

Some of the United States’ closest allies, including Britain and Germany, were among those trying to reassert their standing in decisions affecting the continent’s security.

Both Mr. Trump and his defense secretary on Wednesday signaled a potential willingness to make concessions to Russia that Ukraine has long called unacceptable. Mr. Trump told reporters it was “unlikely” Ukraine would return to its pre-2014 borders, and said future NATO membership for the country was not “practical.”

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine was left arguing that his country — a principal combatant in the war — must be involved in talks over its fate. “We, as a sovereign country, simply will not be able to accept any agreements without us,” he told journalists in Ukraine on Thursday, adding that Europe must also be involved.

NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/13/world/russia-ukraine-war-trump

[–] TinaKimo (961) 9 days ago

Yep. Now Putin can take over Europe. Those of us who were watching and listening, knew this would happen with tramp back in office.

[–] MiyagiDoMAGA (1657) 9 days ago

And then Putin can team up with Skeletor after that! Eternia is doomed nooooo damn you Drumpf

[–] fc31 (6120) 9 days ago

Unless Ukraine is winning in battlefields, redrawing borders and Ukraine not joining NATO are basic realities.

The real point of negotiation would be whether Ukraine would become a permanent neutral country without military, that is the Russian demand.

But that is hard to swallow for American military industrial complex, most Ukraine military aid checks were sent directly to them.

And where majority of those money end up is a real mystery: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/05/facebook-posts/zelenskyys-statement-about-ukraine-aid-didnt-revea/

That is one of ways to increase defence spending without increasing defence budget, Afghanistan was another, and Trump stopped both.

I think Trump unleashed DOGE on department of defence was a part of that negotiation.

Also US announced European military entering Ukraine won't trigger NATO article 5, I think hoping they will send their armed forces to put some pressure on Russia.

[–] KBiker (1244) 8 days ago

And where majority of those money end up is a real mystery

Wow, I did not know that. That's a scandal.

[–] fc31 (6120) 7 days ago

I think that is why Biden so quickly pushed through the last military aid "to Ukraine".

The lost of Harris was such "a loss to our allies in Ukraine".

If Harris won the election this operation would never have been exposed, Zelenskyy would never have said anything.

Those people were stealing from taxpayers in broad daylight.

I am not saying Trump is any better, he lied all the time. He said to drain the swamp in the first term, and did nothing. But even without intending to, he is doing that now.

First the USAID, that is clearly another way of stealing money, that is probably why it resisted so hard.

Then the treasury data, they sued DOGE so they can't have the data, and using software, even AI, to figure out where all the money actually went.

The swamp is deep. I don't think Trump and Musk can or are willing to clean it all up, maybe some information will be used for negotiation, force some people to retire or resign, or giving more campaign contribution or to "charity funds" Trump and Musk controlled, but at least some will be cleaned up, in the effort of cost-cutting and tax reduction, even just to benefit themselves.

[–] Ranb (11285) 7 days ago

[–] fc31 (6043) a day ago
But that is hard to swallow for American military industrial complex, most Ukraine military aid checks were sent directly to them.

And where majority of those money end up is a real mystery

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/05/facebook-posts/zelenskyys-statement-about-ukraine-aid-didnt-revea/
"That money was not wired directly to Ukraine’s government, though. A Council on Foreign Relations breakdown shows that out of the $175 billion Congress has appropriated, about $100 billion worth of aid is being sent to Ukraine. The rest is funding U.S. activities associated with the war and other countries in the region, the Council on Foreign Relations said."

Your link does not make it less mysterious?

[–] fc31 (6120) 7 days ago

If you watched the video what Zelenskyy said was something like this:"If you look at headline figures that we received $177 billion, $200 billion dollars, but we did not receive any money, only equipment, the military equipment we received were worth about $75 billion."

He had no idea where the rest of money was spent, and so far nobody contradicted that.

The link I posted is actually a fact check article, trying to spin it as everything is OK, but I don't think it did a very good job.

They only say something like, true, none of money actually left US, but they are for Ukraine.

I can understand say 20% of money are spent on things like technical assistance, some on humanitarian efforts, but the majority of money, which is called military aid, but not spent on military equipment, no matter how well they spin it, that just does not add up.

And you have to understand what "Council on Foreign Relations" is, it is a think tank, and what sort of people they are perceived: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Reception

And you got to wonder, how would they know this? How long did it take for them to verify that much information? Or is it just a matter of typing a statement?