How shall I put it?
I don't like neither Republicans nor Democrats and I don't care which of them holds which office, but there are a few details where I occasionally agree with one side and in this particular case I agree with Trump (or should I say with what Trump says, because what he says and what he does are often opposite things).
About 15 years ago literally all western media was full of stories all reporting about the strengthening of far right forces in Ukraine. Whether CNN or other media in the US or the BBC in GB all saying the same thing.
It wasn't even just the media, the EU parlament has written several papers about it as well.
Shortly after that, these far right forces made it into government as part of a coalition and that's when the US saw the opportunity to bother the Russians by supplying Ukraine with weapons under the condition that they could direct these weapons only towards Russia.
At this time all those articles in the media about the far right in Ukraine vanished and got replaced by articles about the poor Ukrainian people threatened by Russia.
Only logic that the far right backed by American weapons all of a sudden felt super strong, just like Israel does these days and they became an increasing threat to Russia.
The Russians have warned the Americans multiple times, demanding the US should stop arming the Nazis in Ukraine (whether the Russian choice of the word Nazi was correct or the western term far right would have been better may be debatable).
When the US didn't stop arming Ukraine, the Russians figured warning after warning didn't get them anywhere, they gave up waiting, invaded Ukraine and they loud and clearly stated, they wanted to "denazify" Ukraine and nothing else.
From this moment forward the only thing that kept the far right in power in Ukraine was ever increasing support from the entire western world under the lead of the US, where the Ukrainian population became the innocent "collateral damage".
Trump is absolutely right that Ukraine should surrender to Russia, the only thing I would add to that is pointing out that this is NOT the fault of Ukraine, but entirely the fault of the western world. If the US had never started supplying the far right in Ukraine with the full intention that Ukraine should bother Russia, they would have never become a threat to Russia and the war would have never happened.
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Ranb (11261)
a month ago
The Russian bear needs to stay in its cage; they are the enemies of the USA and her allies. The best way to do that is to aid the countries around Russia. If we don't do this, then Russia will directly attack the USA and Trump will not resist them at all.
Russia being "bothered" is not an excuse for them to invade other countries.
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MarkPh (1026)
a month ago
Are you out of your mind?
GDP of the US is somewhere around or just under 30 trillion
GDP of Russia is 1.5 trillion and you SERIOUSLY think Russia would be a threat to the US?
Never will be, not even remotely.
Wake up man, it's propaganda, ment to distract you from the fact that YOU are paying the bills while they enrich the rich ever further.
The only real threat the US is facing is China and the Chinese don't need one single bullet to defeat the Americans, because the Chinese could ruin the US over night if they would throw the 10 trillion of US debt they are holding into the world market.
They just don't do that (yet) because on paper the Chinese like to maintain the value of what they are holding.
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Ranb (11261)
a month ago
What propaganda? No one else is telling me that Russia continues to be a threat since the cold war ended. I was able to figure that out on my own. What propaganda are you listening to?
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MarkPh (1026)
a month ago
How have you figured Russia would be a threat?
All I did was check the GDP of both countries plus one more factor.
The US is spending more for the military than the next 10 largest military spenders in the world combined, where 8 of these 10 are allies of the US.
It couldn't be more obvious that there is no Russian threat.
In terms of military power even China is no threat, only economically China is a big threat and that doesn't require one single bullet.
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Ranb (11261)
a month ago
Russia is a threat to nearly everyone who is directly across from their border. When they expand their borders, they expand their threat.
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MarkPh (1026)
a month ago
Empty assertion without evidence, even against evidence to the contrary.
I'm born in western Germany, I've heard the Propaganda about the evil eastern part belonging to Russia for 26 years, until Russia not only didn't invade western Germany but gave up eastern Germany and allowed the reunification.
Furthermore, have you looked at the movement of borderlines?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ug2468hDl6E/maxresdefault.jpg
https://madsciblog.tradoc.army.mil/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NATO-Enlargement-CSIS.jpeg
WHO is expanding there in which direction?
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Ranb (11261)
a month ago
NATO is not a country, it is an alliance. Why would you object to countries uniting against a common enemy?
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MarkPh (1026)
a month ago
Because when Russia permitted the reunification of Germany the NATO had a contract with Russia that after eastern Germany would become part of NATO they couldn't expand further east.
Some tricky reinterpretation of the wording in the contract on part of the NATO later, they expanded ever further until Ukraine and Belarus were the last independent countries that served as a buffer between NATO and Russia ...... until the US started arming the far right in Ukraine.
Throughout this whole expansion Russia has never attempted expanding westwards, they only warned the US that Ukraine was a red flag and they wouldn't tolerate a Nazi state at Russian borders, but the US chose to ignore the warnings and kept arming the far right in Ukraine ever further.
This wasn't a NATO decision because Ukraine isn't member of the NATO, this was the US alone on start, later on getting western Europe to help arming Ukraine further, still without NATO.
This was all still no reason for Russia to take action, only after Ukraine with the help of US weapons cut Russia off from access to the Black Sea, that's when Russia had had enough.
Now you tell me, who's the aggressor here?
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Ranb (11261)
a month ago
Contract? The alleged oral agreement? I'm not impressed. Got anything else?
How was Ukraine able to cut off Russian access to the Black Sea when Ukraine does not control access to all of it, especially the region near Novorossiysk? Russia also controls Crimea.
Russia is the clear aggressor.
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Baluga (89)
a month ago
Yeah it's inconceivable for these (maga)turds that sovreign countries should get to make their own decisions. The fact that Russia has attaked and/or destabilized multiple of it's neighbouring countries is ofcourse no expanding at, that is just fine and on par for the course.
It's exactly those countries outside of NATO that have gotten attacked by Russia -not Russia getting attacked but those inside of it.
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