Do you believe that Trump is a Christian? - Donald Trump Discussion

[–] [deleted] 2 months ago

For the sake of humanity...let's hope not. Intelligent people don't worship an unidentified deity.

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[–] Yatzo (1920) a month ago

Trump is a grifter, that’s all

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

For sure, I just find it interesting that Christians seem to think that he is one of them.

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[–] BillySlater (4241) a month ago

He's definitely not a Christian but the Republican party is way closer to Christianity than the evil excuse for a party that is the Democrats.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

How do you explain that? Jesus asked us to take care of the poor and the sick, take in the stranger and feed the hungry.

He advocated for taxes by stating to render into Caesar what is Caesar’s. He emphatically said to follow man’s law and pay taxes. He said rich people needed to sell everything they own and give to the poor to follow him.

Does that sound like a Republican to you?

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[–] BillySlater (4241) a month ago

Your argument is a straw man.
Jesus would not condone abortion. Life that he himself creates. He would not support "gay marriage" (a Biblical oxymoron) nor homosexuality which was punishable by death in the Old Testament and considered an abomination by God.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

You don't know what a straw man is apparently:
straw man
noun
A weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted.

Nothing about what I said was imaginary and you DIDN'T even bother to confute it so it can't be that easy.

Did Jesus himself say anything about abortion or homosexuals? What is it about Republicans that you think Jesus would support? Other than those two things . . .that he didn't talk about.

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[–] BillySlater (4241) a month ago

"Nothing about what I said was imaginary"

"A weak OR imaginary opposition". lol

"Did Jesus himself say anything about abortion or homosexuals? "

Argument from silence fallacy.

But be that as it may, here is a quote from Jesus agreeing with the law.

" For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:18-19)

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) a month ago

[–] Yatzo (1837) a day ago
Trump is a grifter, that’s all

No, DJT being a "Grifter" is not "That's All". DJT has many negative and profane qualities:

Liar.
Adulterer.
Thief.
Defamer.

How many of the 10 Commandments has DJT broken?

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[–] yatzo376 (7717) a month ago

You're right, I'm sorry, although his most destructive quality is grifting millions into a mind boggling cult of lunacy where alternate facts breed.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) a month ago

[–] yatzo376 (7713) a minute ago
You're right, I'm sorry, although his most destructive quality is grifting millions into a mind-boggling cult of lunacy where alternate facts breed.

Demagogue trying to be a Demi-god is just another commandment broken by DJT.

As far as grifting millions? His supporters do that willingly and knowingly and have created their own DJT economy. They sell knick-knacks, paraphernalia, garish clothes, amongst themselves. They Grift each other and yes reward the head Grifter.

I am just not okay with him being a Vote Grifter/Electoral-Office Grifter and regaining access to the Oval office.

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[–] BrandNewPoster (10996) a month ago

No, I don't believe he is a sincere Christian. I think he is just pretending.

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[–] Pete314 (3000) a month ago

As if YOU care. It's just the daily demonstration of your TDS...

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

Why wouldn't I care?

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[–] jk90us (7138) a month ago

No.

I think he believes he’s God.

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[–] [email protected] (5854) a month ago

We are not supposed to judge what is in someone else’s heart.

As far as mispronouncing books of the Bible, a lot of people do that. So what?

And as far as the Bible being a “free” book, well, I …uh…own several Bibles and I paid for each one. It isn’t like you can go in a bookstore and take one for free!

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[–] jk90us (7138) a month ago

What does any of that have to do with what I said?

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[–] [email protected] (5854) a month ago

jk90us Were you responding to my post? Because I was responding to the OP.

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[–] jk90us (7138) a month ago

You accidentally replied to mine. 😊

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[–] [email protected] (5854) a month ago

Sorry, my handwriting is bad, now so is my typing😊

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[–] RockAway (1601) a month ago

You aren’t supposed to judge what’s in someone’s heart? Christians are known for judging people so I’m surprised to hear that.

People who know the Bible do not say ‘two’ Corinthians.

You can get a free Bible online. I think what the OP meant is that he didn’t have to pay for the text, that was already free and Trump just tacked on some other free text to it, had it printed and packaged in China and sold it to people for an enormous mark up so Trump is profiting off of the word of God. Isn’t that wrong?

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[–] [email protected] (5854) a month ago

No one can judge what is actually in someone else’s heart. Actions though, well that is different. We can see wrongdoing and judge it for what it is.

No one is perfect. I know some of my own behavior is wrong, but even I hesitate to judge myself! lol

Yes, it isn’t “two Corinthians”, but I am not overly impressed with those who can quote a few handpicked verses to suit their argument. I had a friend who belongs to a Fundamentalist church, the kind that is waiting for “the rapture” and thinks if you do not exactly believe what they believe, you are going to hell.
They are moral people who can quote chapter and verse to support exactly what they have already decided to believe.

Just being familiar with a lot of the Bible does not really impress me.

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[–] BillySlater (4241) a month ago

1 John 3:9-10 "No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: [d]anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister."

Christians can judge but they are not to judge hypocritically but righteously. Matthew 7. If one couldn't judge the heart/actions/behaviour of another, then this verse would be completely meaningless.

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[–] Pete314 (3000) a month ago

Not in a bookstore, but you can go in a church and ask there for one...

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[–] Phids (773) a month ago

What does it mean to be a "Christian"? We can't judge Trump's heart, and so we can't tell for sure what he believes in his inner core.

However, if you're wondering whether I think his actions or policy proposals reflect Christian views, I would say sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Trump is no conservative at his core. This has been true all along, so this should be news to no one. However, his policies and governance is actually more conservative than others who claim to be conservative.

In the end, I am voting for Trump - a flawed individual, for sure - not because he is perfect, but because I think he will do a good job of leading our country.

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[–] Martoto (5024) a month ago

In other words you support him because he's a fascist charlatan.

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[–] chilone (17857) a month ago

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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[–] Phids (773) a month ago

Quite the interpretation you've got there.

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[–] tvfan (12729) a month ago

Are you judging someone's heart and character for not memorizing scriptures? ... Satan knows scriptures better than you; what's your point?

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[–] RockAway (1601) a month ago

Christians know Bible verses. We should definitely judge people ‘by their fruits’ and use God given judgement to determine if someone is a charlatan.

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[–] tvfan (12729) a month ago

But the OP was not judging "by their fruits", but by memorization of scriptures or mispronunciations.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

Nice try but RockAway is right. I meant that believers have a verse that they can recite by heart and they don't mispronounce the names of the books of the Bible if they've been a Christian for as long as Trump has claimed to be one.

You know all these things but you have to find any way you can to excuse Trump. Why do you do that?

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[–] Pete314 (3000) a month ago

I know the Bible for decades and there is not a single verse I can "recite by heart" without any doubt. And the "names of the books"? Is that mandatory for being a believer?
So what you "meant" is just the usual BS you are spreading all the time.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

This is really sad. You would defend Trump over your own religion.

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[–] Pete314 (3000) a month ago

It is not my religion.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

Then how would you know that a decades long Christian wouldn't know any verses or references by heart? For a Book he claims to 'love' He pronounces two Corinthians like someone who has never heard it said before and can't name any passages in it? That doesn't add up.

Of course, you'll defend him no matter what.

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[–] Pete314 (3000) a month ago

Your whole OP was pure hypocrisy. Just a creepy way to show more of your TDS. You need to find some help...

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[–] tvfan (12729) a month ago

But you’re a heathen, so you wouldn’t know anything about being a Christian, and if you were, you would understand that not memorizing or mispronouncing has nothing to with it.

Btw, you just confirmed everything I stated in my previous replies.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

I was a believer for 22 years so yes, I do know about being a Christian and I would never call it (two) Corinthians. The only one who would pronounce it that way is someone who has never heard it before.

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[–] tvfan (12729) a month ago

Oh, so you're another apostate like RockAway; that makes it even worse.
As far as I'm concerned, an apostate never actually believed to begin with.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

Well good for you. That doesn't mean I wasn't a believer.

And to use your own words "Are you judging someone's heart and character?" It's okay for YOU to do that but not for me?

You never responded to what I said.

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[–] tvfan (12729) a month ago

Because you were never an actual Christian; otherwise, you would have the spiritual discernment to recognize truth, but you don’t.

It’s not about proper pronunciations or memorization. It's about intentions and actions.

Your obsession with precision, perfectionism and the literal gives you away.

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[–] LanceDance (1297) a month ago

No, but he at least showed more respect to Christianity than the last two presidents, particularly Obama.

And bibles aren't free. Some places like hotels might provide one, but in most cases you still have to buy your own. Even Christians have bills to pay.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

The Bible's text is Royalty Free, Trump didn't have to pay anything to copy and re-package it into his own version!

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[–] robocat893 (15918) a month ago

Then Trump had his stupid Bibles made in China and he knows his band of barking seals don't care. Hypocrites, all of them.

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[–] LanceDance (1297) a month ago

Lots of products are made in China, just saying.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

Of course they are, but Trump has personally condemned manufacturing in China.

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[–] LanceDance (1297) a month ago

Nobody likes China, but all the stuff we buy is still made from there, that’s just how it is.

Not that it changes the fact that he’s more respectful of Christianity than Biden and Obama ever were.

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[–] Jinx (3721) a month ago

He didn't have to have it made in China like a hypocrite, he could easily have had it made in America but he didn't do that. It doesn't seem to matter what he does, his supporters will excuse it.

How have Biden and Obama been disrespectful to Christianity?!!

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[–] LanceDance (1297) a month ago

Biden hasn't done anything for Christians.

Obama, however, compared the crusades and inquisition to slavery and terrorism, proving his complete ignorance on what actually happened during those historical events. There was also that time he visited a catholic university and made them cover up religious symbols, and came up with some bullshit excuse to "keep the background consistent".

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