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The endorsement from Elon Musk made me support Trump.


Elon Musk is a genius, everything he touches turns to gold. If he supports Trump there must be good reasons that we normal people can't understand.

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If you listen to any thing Elon Musk says you are a dumbass. People with down syndrome have more intellect than you.

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The dumbass is people who don't listen to the smart people. Bill Gates predicted COVID-19 five years beforehand in a TED talk, yet he said: no one listens to my warning. If you read the history of Elon Musk, yes he made some mistakes, but they are pretty minor mistakes, but his big gambles and predictions always come true.

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Hmm, let's look at his 'accomplishments'. He ruined Twitter. He made expensive electric cars only rich people can afford. He's funded SpaceX which so far has not really done anything other than send rich Billionaires up to space in order to make money and not further space exploration at all. He's a climate denier. Hes a denier of anything he doesn't want to hear. He doesn't create any thing new or innovate. He's like Steve Jobs, in that, he never created anything new he just takes other people's ideas and takes credit for them.

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Twitter isn't ruined, it's in a transition phase, and it will improve.

Tesla isn't expensive, and it changed the car industry for the better!

You dumbass, SpaceX builds Starlink! Starlink changes the world! And SpaceX made a profit from NASA, right now NASA relies on SpaceX for transportation.

He isn't a climate change denier! You should google before you talk.

Taking people's ideas and making them commercially possible is what engineers and businessmen do! Did the iPhone have anything new or innovative in it? No, everything already existed, but the iPhone changed the world, right now most people rely on their phones for business.

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Yeah, the iPhone changed the world and mostly we're all more depressed now , less happy. So obviously it didn't change the world for the better, beyond that we can look up youtube videos now on our phones. It's changed the world for the worse.

ps. Dumbass.

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You just prove you're an ignorant dumbass by saying the only benefit smartphones bring is to watch youtube. Uber has changed transportation, Google Maps has changed how people find their location without getting a paper map, and smartphones have made real-time translation possible, etc...

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Are you joking? Uber has changed transportation? How? Taxis existed before. Cars existed before.

Google maps took away people's ability to even read or look at maps, so now no one can find their own way anywhere. So no one can navigate any more on the highways and roads of America without a smart phone otherwise they're immediately lost. You call that advancing? It's making it so no one has to think and lowering everyone's IQ. In the 30s you would have had to find your own way across the country without a magical computer voice directing you where to go. The only thing it's going to do is dumb everyone down. That's already what's happened.

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You're really working hard against a variety of clearly great inventions innovations and business practices that have revolutionized the world we live in just to keep this argument going , out of spite or stubbornness presumably , arnt you?

Do you ever wish you'd started on the other side of the debate?


You cant dismiss an invention like , say, "The wheel" by saying "yeah , er , well , in the old days people got more exercise lugging all their shit on the ground, and sledgemakers had jobs
call that advancing?"

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I can say whatever I want, it's an internet forum.

" great inventions innovations and business practices that have revolutionized the world"

like what? Television? Do you ever stop to think, phrases like 'revolutionized the world' are used way too often for , practically everything now? Just like the phrase "greatest of all time" or "most influential and greatest of all time"

There's probably 2000 + Basketball players who are considered "the greatest of all time" of some sort in their respective positions. There are probably 3000 + Television shows which are considered "The greatest shows of all time" . And most influential , too.

The point is we hyperbolize everything now. Everything is the greatest, everything's the best ever of all time. So , no I do not think that a ridesharing taxi smartphone app company has , in any way, 'revolutionized' the world. That exists because the younger generations can't afford cars and aren't even getting their licenses any more. That's why those ridesharing companies are popular. Because no one owns cars any more.

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"I can say whatever I want, it's an internet forum."

very true , but all this objection and arguing against any technology mentioned is because you dont like Musk or Trump and got triggered in the OP , and now dont want to back down , so you just metioning random downsides of modern life.
(and im guessing this rather inflammatory reply wont help , please take it as light hearted banter , at least thats how i intend it)

Whatever you think of Musk he's made himself in the top 5 richest in the world and is the only human in history to have created his own fleet of honest to god spaceships.
You cant deny thats some kind of achievement

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Yes they can - some of these anti-Musk types are as delusional and ignorant as flat Earthers. They have zero clue about the unprecedented success and innovation of companies like SpaceX, and they don't want to know. Someone as successful as Elon makes them feel so very, very small.

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He's a megalomaniac textbook narccicist obsessed with amassing wealth, and fortunes, the kind of person whom no amount of money will ever be enough. Ever see Citizen Kane? You know, the most critically regarded and influential American film of all time? We're on moviechat.org, after all. Elon Musk is just... a textbook example of uncontrolled greed in a person. He is literally Charles Foster Kane in real life.

Elon Musk is no Bill Gates. He's not even Steve Jobs. He's William Randolph Hearst. A guy with a lot of money who wants to use it to further his crazy right-wing libertarian ideas and push them on the rest of society by buying out newspapers, or in Musk's case, buying out Twitter. He is a nothing person, an empty shell who just throws money at things to further whatever right wing causes he wants. He doesn't innovate. He can't innovate. He can't even think.

He is the absolute absense of humanity in a person. He posesses no empathy, because he is a psychopath, that's the only way you get to be a CEO. He buys out companies and supplants their CEO's because he doesn't innovate, doesn't create anthing. He just buys things. As I said before, he is a "nothing" person. He offers absolutely nothing to humanity.

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I totally see where you're coming from
The people in white coats who actually make iPhones do amazing things should get more credit
I consider people like businessman / middlemen / admen / bankers / various other jobs "parasites" (although they would no doubt contest that)
I dont like Trump , or right wing ideals.

In spite of this I think Musk has "made a contribution".
He made electric cars mainstream for one

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He didn't even make electric cars mainstream. He made expensive , luxury electric cars for rich people who can afford BMW's. So they've switched their BMW's for Teslas.

The average person can't even afford a car anymore and has to get a crappy little electric scooter.

Henry Ford made the car mainstream. Elon Musk is not even in the same universe as Henry Ford, not just in terms of automotive industry, but as an innovator in general.

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There are good reasons why you shouldn't make a cheap car. Do you really think the high production cost is the reason for the high price of BMW, Benz, Ferrari, and Porsche?

Yes, their cost is definitely higher than Toyota, but the main reason for the high price is cars are Luxury Goods. If you make a cheap Ferrari, it will lose appeal, because the main reason people buy Ferrari is to show off: "I'm rich!"

Elon Musk is smart to know he can't make a cheap Tesla, because that would put him in competition with Toyota, and his factories aren't big enough to compete with the mighty Toyota.

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Bill​ Gates is the real psychopath here. Just saying. Send him to some African countries where he mass murdered the population with his "vaccination" projects...

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Here's another idiot who gets 100% of his information from Facebook and Twitter.

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"Here's another idiot" says a supporter of "Opportunity economics"... 😂🤣 Gates wants to depopulate the planet. I wonder if dumbasses like you are allowed to survive... 🤔

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You are an absolute fucking dumbass. No addendums, no postscript.

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You don't know how Uber changes the world proves you're a dumbass, taxi used to have to wander around the cities, and both sides had to depend on luck to find taxis/customers, it's a big waste of time (on both sides) and gasoline, not to mention some people live outside of the heart of the city, without smartphones the taxi can't or difficult to find the location of the customers.

Uber solved the biggest problem of taxis: How can the supply be adjusted to meet the demand? The supply of taxis used to be rather fixed, so you will have difficulty finding taxis during rush hour or when it rains. By comparison, Uber can adjust the supply more dramatically.

Your assertion on digital maps was dumb:

1. There is no evidence reading maps can improve IQ, I dare you to find a source to back up your claim in a science publication. If your claim is true, why not make every school start to teach every student to read maps to increase IQ?

2. Your logic is a contradiction: "So no one can navigate any more on the highways and roads of America without a smart phone otherwise they're immediately lost." The problem still happens with paper maps, a tourist who lost his paper maps still will be lost immediately.

3. Your claim about digital maps was a cliché: the invention of the radio caused people to fear it would make people lose the ability to read; after the invention of the calculator, people feared it would cause people to lose the ability to use math; the invention of the TV made parents panic; Socrates thinks the invention of writing will make people dumber. Like it or not, you should google Flynn Effect, the IQ of humans keeps increasing through time.

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1. Because schools have no intention to increase the students IQ anymore? It is welcomed that people get dumber. So they are less likely to start the necessary revolution.
2. You talk about a tourist who LOST his paper map? What about the one who lost his effin' "smart"phone and who is now confronted with a paper map? That guy is lost. And hell, I even met people in between who were to stupid to find their way with Google maps...
3. People ARE becoming more illiterate. That's a fact. People ARE unable to do math without a calculator. That's another fact.

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1. Find me a source that says reading maps can increase IQ.

2. You should read more maps, that is my point: without a paper map or smartphone people will get lost.

3. "People ARE becoming more illiterate." Wrong, you can't even use the internet to find the date: https://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp

4. "People ARE unable to do math without a calculator." Find me a data to back your claim. Even if your claim is true, it still doesn't matter, right now everyone has a smartphone in their pocket, and the Flynn Effect proves people's IQ still keeps increasing.

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4. "...everyone has a smartphone in their pocket... " WRONG! Google "smartphone saturation"...

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You should read more maps, it was a rhetoric.

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People are obviously becoming more illiterate. That's why people talk in monosyllabic , 1-3 word sentences now. Try going outside , listen to people. One syllable words. As little effort as possible put into conversation. You likely won't hear a single word that is more than 2 syllables long when people are out in public . Because they're too embarassed that might make them seem 'weird' if they actually showed intelligence . So they speak in one syllables. Just go anywhere, listen to any conversation.

People's vocabularies are shrinking , so the only words we have to describe things are "good, bad, yeah, what, okay, sure, what? huh? Yeah. " Think of Trump. He speaks like that, monosyllabic AKA one syllable words. Because that's all he knows. That's his vocabulary. He can't even think of the word 'vocabulary'. He just say "He has the best words". He dumbs his entire audience down and encourages stupidity among the masses and now we're seeing the results.

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Find a source to back up your claim that "People are obviously becoming more illiterate." I just posted a source proving that illiteracy keeps declining over time. Did you even read my post before replying?

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Yeah.. You posted a link, with data that ends in the year 1979. That's 40 years ago.

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Then, find a source to back up your claim that illiteracy is higher now than in the 70s.

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[–] chumbawampa (492) 17 hours ago
If you listen to any thing Elon Musk says you are a dumbass. People with down syndrome have more intellect than you."

Wow!! How about that?? We often say this of you?? 🙄

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"We"? You're a conspiracy swallowing retard who spends all your time in the Trump board.

You spend most of your time posting topics on "Why Trump Will Win" I guarentee you The majority of people on this forum think you are a moron and anyone with any intellect doesn't respond to your delusional posts.

I'm one of the few who wastes time responding to your nonsense, which I have no idea why. Most people with any intelligence wouldn't repond to any idiotic garbage you post.

However, I waste time responding to your idiotic garbage. I'm not sure why, because you don't need any more attention. People like you do this shit solely for attention, not for debate or argument... you are , as we used to call them in the early internet days: An attention whore, with an emphasis on the 'whore'. That's why you like Trump. He's the biggest whore of all.

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Elon can see the bigger picture and knows what other billionaires think.

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Whatever you say BKB/KingBob.

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Does Keelai have another sock account? 🤔

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The Harris/Biden administration is clearly weaponizing the FAA to stall & fine SpaceX, interfering with the Starship program and putting the United States' progress in space at risk to the likes of China. If anyone is a fan of spaceflight, they should vote for Trump - period.

The other big factor is freedom of speech, and the fact that Harris/Biden officials and other leftist clowns like Hillary Clinton have openly stated they want to suppress it with the devious labels of "misinformation" and "hate speech". If you care about the fundamentals of the constitution, you should vote for Trump - period.

The illegal immigrant invasion and the economy at large... another can of worms that should point any rational person away from the democratic ticket.

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At the same time, Elon Musk's space ship is going to rescue the two astronauts stuck for months at the space station, when they were only supposed to be there for eight days.

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Trump said that we should ‘terminate’ the Constitution over 2020 election results.

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Umm Twitter was a stupid buy and there is no possible way he can recover from what he spent on it. He's like Tomas Edison, he takes the praise for other people's hard work.

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Twitter's stock price has already recovered, It hasn't reached the highest point in the past, but It's above average in price in the past. It's only a matter of time before surpass the highest point in the past.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/TWTR

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It still won't make up for what he spent on it.

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That is just your guess.

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No its not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVj4kZF-Fgk&ab_channel=AdamConover

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An anonymous online man thinks he is smarter than a guy who owns billions of dollars in his account and builds SpaceX, Paypal, and Tesla.

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You didn't listen to it did you? Adam Conover is not some guy, even if he was, he is explaining the facts which have nothing to do with himself.

I thought it would be easier to understand coming from him because he breaks it down but if you'd rather READ the facts I can give you links to that as well.

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I have no interest in listening to an actor's opinion. If you want to quote someone, link to a smart source like a professor.

And I'm not talking to him, I'm talking to you, your assumption: "It still won't make up for what he spent on it." So you think you are smarter than Elon Musk.

An actor and an anonymous online man think they are smarter than a billionaire.

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Jesus Christ, sorry for trying to make it more fun to listen to, you could have just Googled it and easily come up with plenty of good sources but here you go: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter

That link to Adam Conover wasn't 'his' opinion.

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The site takes money to read.

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Sorry I'll find you another one. It's super easy to Google it, that's all I'm doing.

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Dude is actually linking to and simping for Adam Conover - LOL! My god.

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You are using the word 'simping' wrong.

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Does Adam have an explanation video on the word simp you want to link me to? (LOL)

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Stop embarrassing yourself

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Says the dude linking to and simping for Adam fucking Conover. The irony is about as thick as your skull, friend.

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That's good.

How ironic that most leftists and liberals liked Elon until he purchased twitter.

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For me it was when Elon called the man that rescued stranded children from a cave a pedophile because he didn't use his idea for rescue.

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G, why isn’t anybody saying what has been quite obvious?!

Musk spend $45 million a day for Trump’s election campaign because he has something to gain from it. Musk bought twitter to increase political influence.

Does any of you actually think Musk spend so much money for the good of the country? This is all charity?

We call Russian billionaires oligarchs, and we don’t see the making of one right in front of us.

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"Musk spend $45 million a day for Trump’s election campaign."

Wrong, it's impossible to spend 45m a day, some reports said a month, and some reports said Elon Musk didn't donate money:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/24/elon-musk-donald-trump-donations-denial-super-pac-america

Even a child can instinctively know 45m a day is a ridiculous number because that costs 1.35 billion a month! No one can suffer such loss, not even the richest man in the world.

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Sure Musk can, and last election cost 6 billion, this one is going to cost more.

As always elections cost more and more.

Also it is hardly himself only, the companies under his name as well.

Though that is hardly the point, isn’t it? We all know Musk spent a lot of money on Trump’s campaign, do you really think it is all charity, for the good of the country?

I don’t think anyone can be that dumb.

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I just posted a source proving Musk didn't spend a lot of money on the campaign, do you even read my post?

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That's what he says, but deep down, the man has more $$$$$ than God and strikes me as someone who's private about how much $$$$ he donates

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Yeah, we live in a world where everyone is honest and the media always tell the truth.

He is one of the richest men in the world and desperate for Trump to win, so of course he won’t give money to Trump’s campaign.

Use that thing on your shoulders, it is not just a decoration, right?

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Oh, yeah, we live in a world where we can't trust the media and a billionaire's words, they all said Musk didn't donate big money, but we can trust a man from the internet who claims Musk donated big money without any source, just his words. What makes your words more credible than The Guardian and Musk himself?

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I don’t think even you can be so lack of common sense, entirely rely on other people, especially those of the establishment, to think for you. That means this is just an argument nothing more.

That means you are a fake. You know what you are arguing has no merit, you are arguing it anyway. If you were paid I would call you a shill, but I am not sure if you are paid. There are a lot of media created political zealots out there. The old guy trying to assassinate Trump recently I think was one of them.

But anyway this is hardly a discussion in good faith, you will keep arguing no matter how ridiculous your argument sounds. So I will stop wasting my time.

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Yeah, we can't trust the media and Musk's words. Wait a minute. Didn't you say: "Musk spend $45 million a day for Trump’s election campaign." Where is your claim coming from? Oh, right, the media and Musk's words. A person blindly believes the media and Musk accuses another person of blindly believing the media and Musk.

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