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Trump promotes abortion compromise as Democrats push issue in 2024 race

posted a year ago by BKB (11341)
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-promotes-abortion-compromise-democrats-push-issue-2024-race

Former President Donald Trump weighed in on the abortion debate, which has been a politically fraught subject for Republicans.

Reports claim Trump has discussed having a ban on abortions after 16 weeks of pregnancy with three exceptions: rape, incest and the life of the mother.

"Pretty soon, I'm going to be making a decision. And I would like to see if we could do that at all. I would like to see if we could make both sides happy," Trump said on "MediaBuzz" Sunday."

Trump was vocally pro-life throughout his presidency, but he drew backlash after telling MSNBC in September that Gov. Ron DeSantis' six-week ban on abortion was "a terrible thing and a terrible mistake."

While he has not officially announced his recommendation for abortion, his stance on the issue illustrates the changing attitudes and strategies among Republicans."

"If the Republicans spoke about it correctly, it never hurt me from the standpoint of elections. It hurt a lot of Republicans," Trump told host Howard Kurtz. "But I tell people, No. 1, you have to go with your heart. You have to go with your heart. But beyond that, you also have to get elected, and if you don't have the three exceptions, I think it's very, very hard to get elected."

"Since the overturning of Roe v. Wade, abortion access has again become a foremost issue for the Democratic Party, with President Biden and Vice President Harris focusing a large portion of their 2024 platform on abortion.

"Harris became the first sitting vice president to visit an abortion facility after touring a Minnesota Planned Parenthood clinic on Thursday. She said her trip to the clinic was meant in part to draw attention to women who travel from other states to Minnesota to obtain an abortion."

President Biden also made abortion and reproductive rights a cornerstone of his 2024 State of the Union address.

While Democrats are leaning in, President Trump criticized their "radical" stance and urged Republicans to be more comfortable engaging the issue in the run-up to November.

"The Democrats are the radicals on this issue because it's okay to have an abortion in seven, eight, nine months, and even after birth," Trump said.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Well, he's right about that. I've seen plenty of lefties talk themselves into defending the idea that an abortion minutes before birth is just fine.

[–] RockAway (1657) a year ago

Do you have a couple of examples of these 'lefties' that support abortion minutes before birth? I'd like to read about that.

[–] robocat893 (16260) a year ago

You're wasting your time. Corbell makes all sorts of wild claims yet when pressed he never provides any evidence of those claims. Corbell is obviously very stupid and gullible.

[–] RockAway (1657) a year ago

I just want to give him a chance, you know?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Why? If I do, will you admit that that is "radical" as Trump says? And that Trump is thus being the reasonable one?

[–] RockAway (1657) a year ago

I would absolutely agree that it is radical, go for it!

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Here is the dem governor of Virginia, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html

The bill – which among other things would end a state rule that requires at least three physicians confirm “that a third trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the woman’s death or impairment of her mental or physical health” and ends “the need to find that any such impairment to the woman’s health would be substantial and irremediable” – is currently tabled in Virginia’s legislature.

Northam said he supports the bill’s measures, telling WTOP that “we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers.”

So, his goal was for it to NOT be limited just to "mothers health" and to get hte government out of the process, so that the mother and the doctor can do whatever they want, even in the third trimester.

Elsewhere in the interview he discusses issues, right up to the woman goes into labor, at which point that baby WOULD be delievered.

[–] RockAway (1657) a year ago

“No woman seeks a third trimester abortion except in the case of tragic or difficult circumstances, such as a nonviable pregnancy or in the event of severe fetal abnormalities, and the governor’s comments were limited to the actions physicians would take in the event that a woman in those circumstances went into labor,” Ofirah Yheskel, Northam’s spokesperson, wrote in the statement.

“Attempts to extrapolate these comments otherwise is in bad faith and underscores exactly why the governor believes physicians and women, not legislators, should make these difficult and deeply personal medical decisions,” Yheskel said in the statement.

In a tweet posted later Wednesday, Northam wrote, “I have devoted my life to caring for children and any insinuation otherwise is shameful and disgusting.”

Way to leave out the majority of the article. These details are incredibly important. This does not pertain to an infant that would survive. It's an act of mercy rather than forcing a severely deformed infant to be resuscitated and kept alive artificially.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

I left it out because I thought you would whine from the lack of clear language.

BUt yes, the CONTEXT of that portion of hte statement is what the doctor and mother might do, IN THE CONTEXT OF DURING LABOR.

And the intent of the governor, was clear, he wanted the government ie laws, OUT OF THE PICTURE, so that the doctor and mother could do WHATEVER THEY WANT.

DURING LABOR.

The set of EVERYTHING, includes ABORTION right up to the moment of birth. Hell, if I read it wtih a TENTH of the negative spin that you dems like to use against US, one could argue that he was arguing for POST BIRTH ABORTION.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

[–] Corbell (7463) a day ago
I've seen plenty of lefties talk themselves into defending the idea that an abortion minutes before birth is just fine.
[–] Corbell (7463) 6 hours ago
Here is the dem governor of Virginia, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html

Yeah, you told a lie in that post. No where does it say, "abortion minutes before birth is just fine", what you claim. Have any other lies that are not so damn stupid?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

See above. The intent is clear. The governor clearly states that he wants the GOVERNMENT out of the picture so that the mother and the doctor can do whatever they want, up to and including during LABOR, with no laws interferring.

The would include, ABORTION right up until the head clears. ANd really, it could be read to include immediately afterwards, ie POST BIRTH ABORTION.

That's a GOVERNOR, of a fairly large state, not fringe. So...

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

You mean your intent? Your intent does not matter here.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

I did use the word "intent". IN the next sentence I talked about what the GOVERNOR wanted.

Then you ask a question that implies that you thought I was talking about MY intent.

That is you playing stupid so that you can avoid admitting that I proved my point, ie that dems support abortion up to the moment of birth, and that that makes YOU people the radicals.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

Your CNN link does not impress me. Show me were in the bill it says what you claim.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

I qouted the governor explaining his intent. An intent that supports my point.

And your response was to play stupid.

Because you don't have the balls to admit that YOUR sides radicals are the ones in charge of YOUR side.

On our side, Trump is pushing a completely reasonable compromise. On your side people are panic mongering and talking shit about how MEN shouldn't have a voice.

YOu've made TRUMP into the grown up in the room. Good job.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

Nothing ever makes Trump the grown-up anywhere. You debase yourself by trying to prop him up.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

YOU just did. When you felt you had to play a childish game with my point, instead of addressing it honestly.

Trump has a real policy position. Which I have been happy to discuss.

YOU, with your use of silly games to dodge dealing with your side's ACTUAL policies on the issue, you just revealed that you know that your side's RACIDAL side does indeed control your side's position on this issue.

See, if you really believed that your side's moderates were in charge, you would not have played dumb to avoid giving a serious answer.

In YOUR mind, you went though how it would play out and knew that you would l ose a real exchange. SO you pretended to be too stupid to understand my post.

That is you admitting that you know that Trump is right. YOUR side is the RADICAL side. Trump has offered a very reasonable compromise.

That makes HIM the grown up in the room, while your side is having a temper trantrum, trying to gin up a panic response among women voters, to stampede them though the election, by LYING.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

What is this "real policy position" of Trump's that you speak of? Up till your last post, it was the policy of a governor. Not Trump.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

LOL.

You really didn't get that I was referring back to the TOPIC, as per the OP?

Sure you did. This playing stupid, where everything needs to be spelled out like you are an austic 4 year old laywer,

is just a common lib stonewalling tactic.

When your only defense is to play dumb, you are admitting that you lost the debate and the other side was right.

Thus, YOU are revealing that YOU think that Trump's compromise is the reasonable approach and your side is, as he said, is the RADICAL side.

You agree with him, you just don't have the balls to admit it.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

"Making both sides happy" is impossible and not policy. Calling people dumb, as you are doing, it not an effective debate tactic.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

I'm not calling you dumb.

I'm pointing out that you are using "playing dumb" as a debating trick to avoid dealing with my point honestly.

And you are. YOu did do that. In doing so, you have admitted that TRump is correct. He has offered a reasonable compromise and your side are the unreasonable radicals.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

Is "meh" your only response?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Everytime you run away from the point like that,

you are admitting that YOU KNOW TRUMP WAS RIGHT,

that his compromise is reasonable and that your side are the radidcals.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

Trump is wrong. Even when he changes his mind, he still manages to be wrong.

Tell me more about Trump will make both sides happy? How will you be happy with abortion outlawed, or allowed? Remember, Trump says you should have both.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

If you really believed that, then why did you play stupid above to avoid dealing with my point?

Your actions show that you are afraid of discussing Trump honestly.

YOu know that your complaints are silly nonsense so you just reached down and threw another handful of poo at thes screen.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

Tell me more about Trump will make both sides happy? How will you be happy with abortion outlawed, or allowed? Remember, Trump says you should have both.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

iF i give an answer that is too good, will you play dumb and pretend to not understand it, to just dodge it again?

Like you did above?

When I linked to the dem governor talking about allowing abortion DURING FUCKING LABOR.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

It seem that it is not making you happy, at all.

Tell me more about Trump will make both sides happy. How will you be happy with abortion outlawed, or allowed? Remember, Trump says you should have both.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

It's not Trump that's here talking shit and playing dumb. That's you.

I'm fine with his suggested compromise. Works for me.

Your side are the radicals that want aborition up till the head pops out.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

If you're fine with Trump's compromise, then why can't you explain it?

How is everyone happy if abortion is allowed to happen and if it is completely banned?

I have never said that I (or my side) am happy with abortion up till birth.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

What's to explain? It's in the op.

You didn't say it. Libs rarely clearly state their positions.

THey know that if they are honest or clear that people will be horrifed and oppose them.

So, you play stupid and shit talk.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

I'm sure you could find some radical abortion rights advocate saying that a woman can do anything she wants with her body up to the moment of delivery but you won't find a Democratic lawmaker saying that. Whereas, people advocating total bans on abortion, even when a woman's life is in danger and the fetus has no hope for survival, and even bans on birthcontrol actually get elected as Republicans in no small number.

[–] Gd5150 (11972) a year ago

Google is your friend.

“Under AB 2223, which goes into effect Jan. 1, pregnant people are shielded from both criminal and civil liability in the event of a miscarriage, stillbirth or self-managed abortion.”

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

You're responding to a post that addresses, "'lefties' that support abortion minutes before birth". What part of AB 2223 supports your claim?

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2223

[–] Gd5150 (11972) a year ago

CA and Virginia legalized post birth abortion. Laws were quietly passed.

Democrats love to mutilate and murder children. They celebrate it.

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

[–] Gd5150 (10856) 4 hours ago
CA and Virginia legalized post birth abortion. Laws were quietly passed.

I think you're an obvious liar telling another lie.
How do you define "post birth abortion" and which bills were passed to allow this?

Perhaps you can provide a link and quote the portion of the bill that supports your claim?

[–] tvfan (14574) a year ago

He's right, I just checked and can confirm what he stated is true, not that it was necessary since I'm already aware that Dems enjoy murdering and sacrificing innocent life before or after birth.

Btw, those laws/bills use carefully crafted words to obfuscate their definition of when/how a "post birth abortion" is considered. As usual, libs, dems and establishment shills playing deceptive "word" games.

You want to know the actual facts and truth about most things than simple reverse query using your precious "fact checkers."

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

You did not check. I think you're lying, again. Show us what you checked?

You're the one making a claim, you prove that you're correct. Only cowards demand that they be proven wrong.

[–] [deleted] a year ago

Looks like Rockaway rocked on away...

[–] RockAway (1657) a year ago

Still around, It's really frustrating when no one posts accurate information here. Just throwing out unfounded accusations, believing lies and half truths.

[–] [deleted] a year ago

Then demonstrate they've posted something untrue. Winning an argument isn't that difficult if you have the facts on your side.

[–] RockAway (1657) a year ago

I have. What are you talking about?

[–] luvthepros (912) a year ago

Corbell (7532) 5 days ago SAID..........

Well, he's right about that. I've seen plenty of lefties talk themselves into defending the idea that an abortion minutes before birth is just fine.
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What in the world are you talking about? What are the circumstances for this?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Lefties use all this hyperbolic language about women have the right to control their own bodies, and you start grilling them on the details and they refuse to back down and before you know it, they talked themselves into defending the most heinous shit,

but, they can never admit any.... well, anything. First time a lib admits something, their entire house of cards falls down.

They NEED to maintain the illusion that no reasonable person could disagree with them, reasonably.

[–] emori (3681) a year ago

I don't understand how can any woman vote for him and republicans in particular. Those men wants to take their choice how to live their life and want to lock them at home, being single mother of 5 children. And wipe noses of infants their whole youth. While men will live their life unbothered. Most of them will just divorce and leave their baby-mamas, not willing to take care of 3-5 children. And she will be left alone to take care of them.

[–] BKB (11341) a year ago

Biden didn't give anyone a "Choice" when it came to mandating that vaccine that by the way, never worked and if you didn't comply with his "Choice", your "Choice" was override and you lost your employment and livelihood as a result

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

I had a choice.

You did not have a choice? Did they kick down your door, hold you down and inject you?

If I have to decide if you are lying or that you were forced to take a vaccine, I have decided that you're lying. And a stupid liar at that. Why do you think people here are so stupid they believe a single word you say?

[–] luvthepros (912) a year ago

BKB (5078) 4 days ago SAID..............

Biden didn't give anyone a "Choice" when it came to mandating that vaccine that by the way, never worked and if you didn't comply with his "Choice", your "Choice" was override and you lost your employment and livelihood as a result.
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The Covid vaccine prevents millions upon millions of deaths globally. How can you say the vaccine did not work? The vaccine kept people from being hospitalized with severe symptoms resulting in death. The vaccine was not meant to prevent Covid. The mRNA vaccine or the other Covid vaccines, for that matter, do not produce sterilizing immunity which would prevent the vaccine recipient from getting Covid. You should read more about how the vaccines actually work rather than spouting that they did not work.

[–] BKB (11341) a year ago

Because I refused to take it and turned out just fine, so I don't buy it.. The whole thing was psychosomatic which is why the people you hear died from it did so out of the stress the MSM made over it along with the Biden Administration telling people if they didn't take the "Jab" they would die and that was such bullshit for something the equivalent of the common cold & flu.. Bullshit

[–] luvthepros (912) a year ago

At the beginning of the pandemic when there was no vaccines available, you honestly think Covid was no more than the common cold? Seriously? People were dying in droves. The common cold does not take people's lives like that. Get a clue.

[–] BKB (11341) a year ago

Yes, put plain and simple, if Hillary would've won in 2016, you wouldn't have heard 1 word about Covid.. Get it?? 🤔

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

None of that is true. You are insane or lying.

[–] emori (3681) a year ago

What is not true? That republicans want to ban abortions and force women to constantly get pregnant and give birth?

Like you know why poor people had 8-10 children back in days, right? In 1700-1900. There were no contraception and abortions back then. So women were constantly getting pregnant. Then half of those children died and didn't make to adulthood. Because families were poor because how can one man feed and support 10 mouths. Children would get sick, would not be properly taken care of.

How can any self-respecting woman vote for those republican men to control their bodies and order them how many years they have to be pregnant.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

All of it.

Trump's compromise allows the vast majority of NOT late term abortions to continue. No one is "forcing" women to get pregnant. No one wants to foces them to stay home. NO one wants to take away contraception.

Families were poor back in the 1700-1900s because, by our standards THE WHOLE WOLRD WAS POOR, and that has nothing to do with what Republcians want to "Force" people to do today...

Abortion is a serious issue. You every know a premature baby? I have. Got family that was born early. By current laws, that kid could have been aborted at an age when it was out of the womb and living.

That's a real issue. That's not right. That's not "republicans wanting to control women's bodies". That's republicans dealing wtith a real issue, like adults.

When you talk about a real issue like you are living in a freaking COMIC BOOK, instead of the real world with real, hard choices to make. you are... playing pretend, not dealing with reality.

[–] emori (3681) a year ago

Dude, republicans already banned abortions in few states and women are forced to drive to other states. What are you talking about? What facking "compromises". It's not his, man's, issue. He and his freaks party men can not decide what woman should do with her body.

Yes, ordinary people were extremely poor because woman had to give birth to 5-10 children. And no one can feed that amount of mouths and not be poor. Those who had 0-2 children - at least had a chance. And it was only when families started having less children - things started to get evenly.

Every time you are having sex - you produce and kill millions of children. But you have no problem with that.

No on should be forced to have child they don't want and can't take care of. It's not for men to decide fro women. Not to mention you don't even ask men if they want to have 8 children with different women and pay alimony their whole life when they didn't ask it to be born.

Cry me a river with that "sob story" about premature baby. Nobody gives a crap. Planet is overpopulated and needs less people. Not more.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

So, is your position that MEN, should not have any say in public policy that impacts women?

Cause, leftards keep talking shit like that, and it's the most retarded shit in the world.

RETARDD SEXIST SHIT.

If you mean that, then say it, and let's get into how you justify such retarded shit.

If not, then stop dropping little shit bombs in your posts, like a troll boi.

[–] emori (3681) a year ago

Dude, this ain't trailer park. Can you talk like normal person? This is public place. It's hard to have a conversation with you as you don't seem that bright.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT MEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE INPUT INTO PUBLIC POLICY AND LAW OR NOT?

Cause the shit talk you were dropping into your previous posts made is sound like you do NOT.

Stop playing troll boi rhetoric games. SPEAK YOUR POSITION CLEARLY.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

Donald Trump has absolutely no convictions beyond getting himself elected so he can continue to grift the country and get away with it.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

All Presidents are by the nature of the job, very ambitious.

That you have to pretend that this is a problem for OUR candidate, but not YOURS, is your brain dealing with the fact that you con't have any REAL or VALID complaints to make about him.

LOL. Reminds me of the time you lefties attacked the GOP for wanting to use it's power to win elections. As opposed to all the other political parties that I guess were supposedly motivated by just the desire to do good and fart rainbows? LOL.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

Ambitious is one thing But getting elected is ALL that Trump cares about.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

And Hillary was motivated by the milk of human kindness?

YOu are talking shit to try to distract from teh fact that the few REAL issues you can have, are either

a. nonsense.

or

b. completely reasonable policy disagreements.

That do NOT justify the panic mongering and....shit talk that is hte primary core of your side's campaign against him.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

We are talking about Trump, not Hillary.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Ok did you forget I was making a point about how all Presidential candidatets are ambitious?

I was dealing with your claim seriously and honestly.

You clearly are not prepared for that. Come back when you are.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

What I said applies to when Trump was president.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

What I said seriously addressed your point.

And you played a silly game in response.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

Tell me this: what are Trump's convictions regarding a woman's right to choose her own reproductive decisions?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

Based on his stated policies, he seems to believe, as most Americans do, that as the baby becomes late term, that society has a right, nay, a DUTY to protect the life of the unborn child.

Your insistance of spinning the terminology to try to embed your conclusion into the question as a premise, is a sign of how weak YOU think your arguments are.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

So, he supports what Roe v Wade said. That after fetal viability, states had the right to ban abortion or restrict it.

So why does he brag about overturning Roe?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

That is your take on his words. I have no idea if his logic follows that path.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

He constantly brags about getting RvW overturned. How do you not know that about your hero?

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

You were not just quoting him. You were then making a guess as to his chaining of thinking and drawing conclusions.

That you pretend you were not, is dishonest of you.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

Repeated boasts by Trump that he got rid of Roe v Wade.
https://youtu.be/5MhXqGl7oVs?si=US0KocX90yhXyDFF

YOU said that his current position on Abortion is consistent with the SCOTUS ruling he bragged about overturning.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

I did not say that. YOU said that, and tried to say that I said it, and then built on top of that.

Libs often play silly games like that.

They will do anything to distract from how bad their policies and political positions are.

[–] Information-Police (4896) a year ago

Of course, you don't even understand the things you write.

[–] Corbell (11007) a year ago

If you DRAW CONCLUSIONS from what other people say, and other peeple don't draw the same conclusions, then that is something to discuss or debate,

explain your reasoning and then defend it. Being snotty is not a position defense.

[–] BKB (11341) a year ago

Look, we're not going to get anywhere if you keep holding back like this?? 🤔

[–] Ranb (11377) a year ago

Anyone who allows any abortion, ever, at any time, for any reason, is pro-choice. So why are they trying to control what a woman does with her body? Let the woman decide instead of allowing a politician to do so.

[–] emori (3681) a year ago

republicans have this weird obsession with controlling women. I could never understand why.

Planet is so overpopulated. America is overpopulated. With all those migrants now. Yet those idiots want to bring more and more people so that everyone would be even more poor. And so that woman would spend all her youth wiping noses of children. And being pregnant every year until she will hit 40.

And keep in mind that she would be single mother most of the time. Since father will bail to have his life free and fun. And they won't even force him to pay alimony. So she will be alone with 3-6 kids, they will all be poor, none will go to college. So they would have to start doing criminal at young age to get money. Which means crime will be even more up.

[–] chilidoggg (14614) a year ago

I'm waiting with bated breath for the opinion of a 77-year-old politician on where women's ability to make their health decisions begin and end...

[–] BKB (11341) a year ago

Can't be any worse than a female Supreme Court Justice not knowing the definition of what a female is, right?? 🙄