During his presidency, Donald Trump implemented policies that aimed to increase freedom across different spheres. He prioritized deregulation, reducing burdensome rules on businesses, which allowed for greater innovation and economic growth. Trump championed tax cuts, putting more money back in the pockets of individuals and stimulating entrepreneurship. He supported criminal justice reform, promoting fairer sentencing and rehabilitation efforts. Trump's appointments of conservative judges helped protect individual rights, including religious freedom and Second Amendment rights. Additionally, he advocated for free speech, challenging the dominance of political correctness and defending the rights of individuals to express their opinions without fear of retribution. These efforts collectively aimed to empower individuals, foster economic prosperity, and preserve fundamental freedoms.
So the 500,000 law abiding Americans that owned them didn't care about bump stocks and were only too glad to give them up for Trump to kiss his ass? The people who made them for sale did not care? Trump said (in the CFR) that the economy was affected to the tune of $312 million, but screw the economy, right?
No kidding the left wants to destroy the 2nd Amendment. Tell us something we don't know. The GOP is not going to stand in the way of Trump destroying it either.
The Keystone pipeline was not shutdown and is still operating. Why do you think people here are stupid enough to believe you when you say Keystone was shutdown? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline
Keystone XL was the portion that was shutdown by Biden in January 2021 and not completed. It was intended to move oil from Canada to the US south coast for export to other countries.
Shutting down Keystone XL down did not affect prices as much as you claim. In January 2021 the average gas price was $2.36. In June 2022 they topped out at $4.94. The price is about $3.57 now. Your "gas price tripled" claim is very stupid.
Don’t be an idiot; some of us actually knew what he was referring to, and yes, gas prices soared by at least 50% because of that decision. Over twenty states were suing the Biden Administration over the closure of the KXLP.
Some people are stupid enough to believe the lies that Bubbathegut posts. So saying gas prices went up three times as high is okay? Why should anyone be stupid enough to believe that crap? Why didn't you call him on those stupid lies?
More lies from Ranb (who thinks a bump stock is a gun).
President-elect Joe Biden formally announced on Wednesday he was revoking a key permit for the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, the second time a Democratic administration has scuttled the $8 billion project in less than a decade.
President Joe Biden’s decision to kill the Keystone Pipeline on his first day in office cost the U.S. economy 59,000 jobs and $9.6 billion in economic growth, according to a study released last month by his own Energy Department.
The proposed 875-mile pipeline would have safely transported up to 830,000 barrels of oil per day from the Canadian border to Steel City, Nebraska, where it would have linked up existing pipelines to American refineries.
The average price of gas was $1.90 and then it spiked to $5.10 under the failed leadership of your fake president.
The average price of gas today is $3.60.
President Joe Biden shut down oil and gas lease sales from the nation’s vast public lands and waters in his first days in office, citing worries about climate change. Now his administration has to figure out what do with the multibillion-dollar program without crushing a significant sector of the U.S. economy
Not just me calling bump stocks a gun. Trump says they are also, as did the Supreme Court.
You claimed Biden canceled the Keystone pipeline, that was a lie. Biden actually canceled Keystone XL.
The price of gas was $1.90 prior to Biden taking office. Your claimed three times increase in gas prices is only true if you use the lower price from months earlier and the high price that never existed in your link. Another Bubba lie.
Is that the link that you were referring to that you claimed had gas prices?
That is another propaganda article about stock share amounts from a lefty-biased source.
Prices were under $2.00 per gallon during the last three months of DJT’s presidency, and under Biden, prices reached as high as $6.73 per gallon.
Some gas stations were charging as high as $7.35 and $7.59 per gallon.
It seems you're looking a different chart than the one you posted. On which dates was gas $1.90 then spiked to $5.10? The most recent time that chart shows $1.90 gas was during Obama.
While Trump was in office, gas started at $2.46 in January 2017 up to $2.97 in June 2018, then tumbled to $1.94 during the pandemic due to lower demand, before rising to $2.28 in December 2020.
Gas was $2.42 in January 2021 when Biden took office then peaked at $5.03 in June 2022.
The Biden regime is doing everything they can to ruin and destroy the USA:
-Biden has opened the border.
-Flooded the US with millions of illegals, drugs, traffickers, communist spies, and cartels.
-Destroyed the US energy sector.
-Blown up inflation.
-Blew up the pipelines causing the highest fuel prices in decades.
-Jailed political prisoners.
-Indicted the top opposition candidate.
-Cracked down on First Amendment rights.
-Surrendered to the Taliban.
-Armed the terrorists with 80 billion dollars in US equipment.
-Pushed the world to the brink of World War III.
-Propped up an imbecile with dementia as leader of the free world.
-Recently decided to send thousands of cluster bombs to Ukraine despite that they are banned in 120 countries.*
Why are you not giving Trump credit for releasing Taliban terrorists who went on to kill Americans?
The border was never closed. Billions in commerce flows north and south over the border every year, no matter who the president is.
The US energy sector is very strong and profitable now.
Merrick Garland appointed Jack Smith (an independent) who pushed for the indictment of Trump. Go ahead and give Biden the credit, but Smith is more deserving.
Cluster munitions are being used to kill SOB Russian soldiers. Use them to keep Russia confined to their own borders.
As part of a deal made with the Taliban in 2020, the Trump administration agreed to the release of up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for the release of up to 1,000 prisoners of the other side. Trump saved lives. Trump ended a 20 year war.
Commerce and people are different but you know that. Stop playing dumb.
No it isn't.
Garland was appointed by Biden. But you knew that. Stop playing dumb.
Why doesn't the G7, UN and NATO just invade Russia and put a end to the war? Throwing rocks at each other is not going to solve anything.
Next time you complain about bump stock ban and 2nd-Amendment rights been infringed by Trump, you should consider the side that is actually trying to destroy those rights:
Massachusetts Democrats Introduce One of the Worst Anti-Second Amendment Bills in the Country: Extensive Firearm Restrictions.
The Democratic Party in Massachusetts has introduced one of the strictest gun control bills ever seen in the United States and would take away “civil liberties.”
An Act Modernizing Firearm Laws (HD 4420), often dubbed as the ‘Lawful Citizens Imprisonment Act’ by gun-rights advocates, was introduced by Democrat Rep. Michael Day of Stoneham to “stem the flow of illegal firearms into the Commonwealth and increase protections from gun violence for our communities.”
No one denies that the Democrats are trying to infringe upon our 2nd Amendment rights. Do democrats persist in telling people that Biden is not a gun grabber? They do not. You're preaching to the choir when you call Democrats anti-gun or call them gun grabbers.
But on this forum, people like you try to convince others that Trump is not anti-gun. Some like Bubbathegut claim that they decide what a gun is, not federal law. Other says that when Trump grabs a gun or proposes anti-gun legislation, it is okay provided Trump is the one doing it.
Nope. I also don't support various gun control laws just because they are the law.
But it seems that you will support any anti-gun law or regulation if it was back by the GOP. Have you ever condemned any anti-gun law or regulation that was enacted by the GOP?
You spam the forum with the claim "bump stocks are not guns" even though you know that Trump ordered an amendment to 27 CFR that says they are contraband machine guns. That is your way of denying that Trump is an anti-gun zealot and that he did not order the confiscation of any guns owned by law abiding Americans.
Bump stocks are contraband machine guns. That is what the law says.
When I say I don't support various gun control laws, it means I am not in favor of them and they should be repealed. I am not saying I think they are a hoax, like you do.
Don't pretend to be stupid. A machine gun is a gun. A bump stock is a gun. Question was answered.
I oppose the regulation banning bump stocks as it is a violation of our 2nd Amendment rights. I do not think the regulation is a hoax as you seem to believe.
You know it does not shoot anything. You also have been told several times and shown the law several times; in the USA, a firearm is not limited to things that shoot bullets.
It seems you know little about firearms in general. Matchlock, flintlock and wheel-lock muskets and rifles do not need firing pins. Caplock rifles rifles also lack a firing pin. Almost all muzzle loaded firearms lack a firing pin.
If you have been trying to convince everyone on this forum that you very little about firearms in addition to knowing next to nothing about gun control law, then you have succeeded.
Slavery is still allowed in the USA as punishment for a crime. Slavery did not end with passage of the 13th Amendment. I am opposed to this. Are you?
Interesting point. So if bump stocks had been invented in the 1700's then flintlocks would have been flintlock machineguns. Could you imagine the carnage of a 30 shot flintlock?
Why do you evade answer to the simplest of questions here?
I'm assuming that you read the amendment to the CFR that Trump directed the ATF to write? A bump stock only works on a semi-auto rifle.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think they work on a single shot firearm.
It was only in 2018 when Trump was president that any politician thought it was a good idea to ban those kinds of bump stocks by classifying them as contraband machine guns.
Even the Obama administration thought that was stupid and refused to ban them in any way.
I assume you are not aware of the law that says bump stocks are machine guns. Therefore if you put a bump stock on a flintlock it would be a flintlock machine gun. You obviously no nothing about guns as flintlocks are still available today and are used in war reenactments.
A device does not have to be able to shoot bullets to be defined as a gun in the USA. How long are you going to pretend to misunderstand the law?
Exactly where are you finding the legal definition of a gun where is says it has to shoot a projectile to be a firearm? While it is one of the definitions, it is not the only one.
It is a Republican who is telling you that bump stocks are guns. Why don't you understand the regulation?
It doesn't. Federal law does not require that a device be able to load or fire ammunition. Drop in auto sears, silencers and silencer parts are also legally firearms in the USA. Why are you so willingly ignorant of federal gun control law?
Have you stopped to consider that you are misinterpreting the ATF’s broad usage that parts and accessories are only considered a firearm after it has been assembled?
Yes, sometimes, documentation can be “misworded” and “misinterpreted”.
They are “parts and/or accessories” until assembled, and then they are considered firearms.
I have considered it. But no court has defined it that way when bump stocks are concerned.
For example, the Biden administration determined that an incomplete ar-15 lower receiver, when sold with a drilling jig, is now a firearm. They also said that the lower receiver of an ar-15 is a firearm all by itself even though it does not contain the bolt.
Do I like or agree with these regulations? No. Are they legal? Yes, until they are changed or the courts overrule.
The only people I've seen claiming that bump stocks are not guns are some of the people here on MovieChat. Everyone else understands the English language well enough to know what the phrase "bump stocks are machineguns" means when used in 27CFR.
Why Bubbathegut thinks his opinion supercedes federal regulations is beyond me. It is possible that his devotion to Trump means more to him than his integrity.
What part of the phrase "bump stocks are machineguns" do you fail to understand?
I do not support unjust laws, but I do believe they exist. That is why I try to get them changed. You just claim those laws do not exist or they do not apply to you.
Slavery is legal in the USA. It is also immoral and should be prohibited in all forms.
Slavery has always been legal as a punishment. The 13th Amendment did not completely abolish slavery.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Machine guns have always been legal in the USA. But they must be registered with the ATF to be legal.
In 1934, Congress passed the National Firearms act with required the registration of machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, destructive devices, silencers and AOW's. A $200 tax was required on most of these along with registration.
In 1986 Reagan signed the FOPA which closed the civilian machine gun registry. This means it was impossible for an unlicensed civilian to register a new machine gun after May, 1986.
This is how Bush banned spring loaded bump stocks in 2006 and Trump did it with the rest in 2019; they just classified them as machine guns. And since they could not be registered, they were contraband and had to be destroyed or surrendered.
A bump stock is a machine gun all by itself. It does not need to be attached to anything to be classified as a MG by the regulations Trump had amended.
Machine guns have always been legal in the USA. But they must be registered with the ATF to be legal.
In 1934, Congress passed the National Firearms act with required the registration of machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, destructive devices, silencers and AOW's. A $200 tax was required on most of these along with registration.
In 1986 Reagan signed the FOPA which closed the civilian machine gun registry. This means it was impossible for an unlicensed civilian to register a new machine gun after May, 1986. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
This is how Bush banned spring loaded bump stocks in 2006 and Trump did it with the rest in 2019; they just classified them as machine guns. And since they could not be registered, they were contraband and had to be destroyed or surrendered.
So if bump stocks are not machine guns as the CFR says, do you claim that bump stocks are still legal to own and no one has ever been arrested for simply possessing one since 2019?
On the contrary; we use something called “common sense” and we are aware that in the past, the government has misinterpreted and misworded their documentation that makes some policies ambiguous, which apparently, you believe is impossible.
Trump didn’t create nor enforce those laws.
For someone who is anti-Trump, you and others like you, literally give him more power and elevation than a regular human being.
The irony is that you’re level of 'negative/positive' expectation of DJT are almost the equivalence of a deity.
So how were bump stocks banned? Do you have any idea how the National Firearms Act works?
Trump did create the amendment to 27CFR to ban bump stocks. I have posted it several times here. It is a searchable PDF file. Although Trump cannot do anything he wants per Article 2 of the Constitution, the president does have much power.
If you search for the word president, then you will see that Trump did in fact direct the ATF to ban bump stocks. Congress was not involved and the ATF did not go rogue as some people claim.
On February 20, 2018, the President
issued a memorandum to the Attorney
General concerning ‘‘bump fire’’ stocks
and similar devices. Application of the
Definition of Machinegun to ‘‘Bump
Fire’’ Stocks and Other Similar Devices,
83 FR 7949. The memorandum noted
that the Department of Justice had
already ‘‘started the process of
promulgating a Federal regulation
interpreting the definition of
‘machinegun’ under Federal law to
clarify whether certain bump stock type
devices should be illegal.
You are a perfect example of why Trump likes stupid voters. He can screw them over and they will deny that he did it.
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The ATF's final rule on bump stocks starts off with,
bump-stock-type devices—meaning ‘‘bump fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and devices with certain similar characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’
This is what Trump wanted, what he approved of and what he did to screw over law abiding Americans.
Exactly what part of "bump stocks are machine guns" do you not understand?
It is stupid and unfair, but so far it is legal. A few courts have struck it down in their districts, but the US Supreme Court is letting it stand.
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The Department of Justice is
amending the regulations of the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
Explosives (ATF) to clarify that bump-
stock-type devices—meaning ‘‘bump
fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and
devices with certain similar
characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’ as
defined by the National Firearms Act of
1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968
A bump stock is a machine gun all by itself. It does not need to be attached to anything to be classified as a MG by the regulations Trump had amended.
My life is always moving on, whether you like it or not. On the other hand you are loath to give direct answer to my questions, especially if you understand what the phrase, "bump stocks are machineguns" means.
A bump stock is a gun, as defined by federal law. I have never varied from this at all.
What part of the phrase "bump stocks are machineguns" do you fail to understand?
Machine guns have always been legal in the USA. But they must be registered with the ATF to be legal.
In 1934, Congress passed the National Firearms act with required the registration of machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, destructive devices, silencers and AOW's. A $200 tax was required on most of these along with registration.
In 1986 Reagan signed the FOPA which closed the civilian machine gun registry. This means it was impossible for an unlicensed civilian to register a new machine gun after May, 1986.
This is how Bush banned spring loaded bump stocks in 2006 and Trump did it with the rest in 2019; they just classified them as machine guns. And since they could not be registered, they were contraband and had to be destroyed or surrendered.
A bump stock is a machine gun all by itself. It does not need to be attached to anything to be classified as a MG by the regulations Trump had amended.
All sources reference weather a bump stock should be considered as “part” of a “machine gun” in order to ban it or make it illegal.
They are not stating that a bump stock, independently, is a machine gun based on your interpretation.
Bump Stocks are considered nothing more than:
- Parts
- Accessories
- Attachments
- Conversion Devices
Shift the blame where it belongs:
- The Shooter
- Public pressure from Leftists/Liberals
- RINO Advisors
- ATF/DOJ
The ATF/DOJ made a decision based on public pressure that would have been made regardless of POTUS/Administration; the fact that the Supreme Court is letting it stand is proof of that.
BTW, The Biden Administration is defending the ATF’s misinterpretation:
January 9, 2023
Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod wrote in the lead majority opinion that a bump stock is excluded from the technical definition of “machine gun” set forth in the Gun Control Act and National Firearms Act, although the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says a bump stock is part of the definition of machine gun, a position that the Biden administration is defending.
April 27, 2023
At issue in the cases is whether a bump stock is a machine gun “part” that can be banned under the law that prohibits possession of machine guns.
The 6th Circuit noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has flip-flopped on the issue. At first, the agency maintained that a bump stock is not a machine gun part, but it changed its position after a shooter used bump stocks attached to semi-automatic rifles to kill 58 people in Las Vegas.
Other federal appeals courts that have considered the issue are divided.
“And our own circuit is split down the middle, with eight judges voting to uphold the rule and eight judges voting to strike it down,” the 6th Circuit said, referring to a 2021 en banc opinion. The split had the effect of upholding a district court decision in a different case that allowed the bump-stock ban to take effect.
Those differing interpretations show that the machine gun law is ambiguous as applied to bump stocks, the appeals court said in the Hardin case. And because the machine gun law carries criminal penalties, the rule of lenity applies. That rule requires courts to resolve ambiguity in statutes in favor of criminal defendants.
“Because the relevant statutory scheme does not clearly and unambiguously prohibit bump stocks, we are bound to construe the statute in Hardin’s favor,” the 6th Circuit said.
April 25, 2023
At a minimum, as the majority opinion holds, the National Firearms Act of 1934 admits of an interpretation that excludes a bump stock from the definition of a "part" of a "machinegun" under that statute. Indeed, this is the original interpretation that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) gave to the statute.
That ATF later changed its views in order to ban bump stocks does not render unreasonable the ATF's first reading of the statute. Indeed, the ATF's first take aligns with the views of numerous judges on this court and elsewhere who have considered the relevant statutory text.
Simply put, under the statute as it currently reads, the addition of a bump stock to a rifle clearly does not make it a machinegun.
It was not until Trump was president and he wanted his own gun grab that he did what Bush did, banned bump stocks by classifying them as contraband machine guns. Trump had the ATF write up their bullsh-t rule just so Trump could flex his muscles on gun control. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf
Did you notice that your quotes are 2023 decisions?
It was back in 2018 that Trump told the ATF to write a rule to amend the CFR to classify bump stocks as machine guns. They did this. Bump stocks were required to be destroyed or surrendered in 2019.
It is only more recently that the courts have started to push back. Have you noticed that the Biden administration does not seem to be getting in the way of the court's decisions that Trump's gun grab is BS?
But Trump is still the gun grabber who banned bump stocks by amending the CFR to classify them as contraband machine guns.
Are you claiming that Trump is blameless because he folded like a lawn chair after a single mass shooting that involved bump stocks and some people complained?
We need a strong person as president, not a lawn chair.
You should list your sources instead of just quoting them.
-A rule based on the ATF's misinterpretation passed to Trump’s Advisors.
-Any/All amendments were based on the misinterpretations by the ATF/DOJ.
-From your perspective, Trump should have informed his Advisors, the ATF, and the DOJ that they shouldn't have folded to public pressure and should have listened to him since he is the firearms expert.
*Blame DJT because he is not a firearms expert.
*Blame DJT because he is not a scientist.
*Blame DJT because he is not omniscient.
We need a strong person as president, not a lawn chair.
Blame DJT because he is not enough of a Dictator, Tyrant, or Authoritarian.
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I blame Trump just like I blame Bush and Biden. They are/were presidents and need to act like it. Do you also give Biden a pass for banning forced reset triggers? Probably you do. You're an anti-gun freak just like Biden and Trump are.
Trump folded like a lawn chair when it was actually time for him to stand firm and remember that he is supposed to protect our civil rights instead of trampling on them.
Trump did not shy away from his gun grab. He seemed rather proud of it like when he bragged about grabbing pussies as a perk of wealth.
Trump did try to blame Obama for legalizing them. Too bad this made him look like a complete idiot instead. The Obama administration merely said bump stocks were legal and took no action on them; like Trump should have. Like Bush and Trump should have.
“Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns,” he wrote on Friday.
Trump wanted a gun grab to prove he was a tough guy. Too bad it made him look like a little bitch instead. So far Trump's scare card on grabbing our stuff is (according to the ATF) up to 520,000 bump stocks, without compensation. Obama was zero guns grabbed over 8 years. I don't know how many reset triggers Biden grabbed, but you're probably hopping Trump got more.
Why do I need to justify blaming Trump for his gun grab? It was Trump's decision no matter how much you want to call him a lame duck who needs other to make his decisions for him.
It is 100% Trump's fault. He told the ATF to make it legal to grab bump stocks, so they did his bidding.
Why do you think Trump did not push for Congress to pass a law banning bump stocks? It was because Trump wanted sole credit for his own gun grab.
You really think the ATF has the power to write any regulation they want even if the president oppose it? The authority to enforce the law of the land by writing regulations ultimately rests in the hands of the president. You don't really think the president is just a figurehead do you? Have you ever read the constitution and especially article II? They don't call the president of the USA the most powerful man in the world for nothing.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress. Fifteen executive departments — each led by an appointed member of the President’s Cabinet — carry out the day-to-day administration of the federal government. They are joined in this by other executive agencies such as the CIA and Environmental Protection Agency, the heads of which are not part of the Cabinet, but who are under the full authority of the President.
If the president did not want bump stocks banned, then the ATF would have not banned them. Do you really think that Trump was not aware of the uproar his gun grab caused? He could have changed his mind and admitted he made a mistake. But Trump wanted his own gun grab, so there was no way he was ever going to admit to making a mistake when he violated out 2nd Amendment rights.
Anyone who deflects blame form Trump to anyone for a gun grab, actually thinks Trump was a lame duck who had no business being president.
What lie did I tell?
1. You think Trump is powerless to stop the ATF from grabbing guns?
2. You think the president does not have the powers outlines in Article II of the Constitution?
You have been lying since our first discussion from months ago.
This is my third time stating the obvious facts:
Trump being an outsider falls prey to the swamp politicians that pose as MAGA candidates.
Because he is not of the swamp, he can be fooled by the swamp reps because they will do all they can to suck up to him.
Look at how he trusted McCarthy, McConnell, McDaniels, MTG, Pence, Pompeo; he had no choice!
How about you quote the statement I made that was a lie, then prove it is a lie. I've been quoting the actual laws and regulations here for years trying to educate you idiots and all I've been getting is your hobo-lawyer crap.
Trump had a choice. He could have chosen better people to advise him. He could have read the damn law himself. He could have said to himself, "I'm not a gun grabber". But Trump decided he wanted to be a gun grabber.
You're calling Trump an idiot and then claiming that is some kind of reasonable excuse for his stupid actions.
A gun grab is never doing your best. It was not the best for Bush, Biden or Trump. Why do you think a gun grab was the best Trump could do? It sounds really really nuts.
I would not have fit into that swamp. I have never been indicted or even accused of a crime.
I think you want it to be a crime to insult Trump though. Too bad, this is America you savage. :)
So you figure out how to use that quote function to show where I lied on this forum?
I dont see anything about taking our freedoms away nor taking votes away.
“Rigged: How the Media, Big Tech, and the Democrats Seized Our Elections,” Mollie Hemingway reveals how social-media companies like Twitter and Facebook responded to the 2016 election of Donald Trump to go from free-speech advocates to censors — including blocking The Post’s reporting on Hunter Biden. https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/exclusive-how-facebook-and-twitter-rigged-the-game-in-2020/
Facebook once touted its ability to shut off 80 percent of the Internet traffic to any link it deems misleading. When deciding whom to censor, Facebook relied on media “fact-checkers” who consider themselves the opposition party. Biased journalists were given the power to scrub their rivals from the Internet, thanks more to the legacy of their places of employment than their own work.
This process of erroneous or slanted liberal media reports informing Facebook “fact checks” played out through Trump’s entire presidency and reelection effort. It suppressed dozens of news stories in the public interest and helped get Biden over the finish line.
Democrats rigged the 2020 election. Joe was right, there was chicanery.
I can because the democrats did the same thing when Trump was President. All they did for 4 years was say he stole the election and then they tried unsuccessfully to get rid of him 3 times.
Meanwhile your dementia patient is ruining American and no one cares.
Why was the 2016 election investigated for 2 years and the 2020 election wasn't investigated at all. Joe said he would lose by chicanery. Was there any chicanery?