She claimed that as a woman, she has to live her life on the defensive because a man asked her for her phone number when she smiled at him. This is overreacting feminism at it's worst,and doesn't help woman who suffer legitimate harassment. She should be embarrassed.
shareit won't matter... very soon most people will meet almost exclusively through online sex and dating apps (it's happening already)...
Society will adapt to where interactions between men and women are increasingly formal (there are already apps under development where you can swipe/sign to document consent before sex, detailing specific parameters), as anything approaching an attempt at genuine/natural human connection will face the full wrath of the social "horde" and then the law (surely it's a matter of time before the "male gaze" is outlawed)... 🤔
The nerds will attempt to "go their own way", by spending huge sums on virtual girlfriends and robots... There have been some good documentaries on this such as "Her" and "Ex Machina"... Instead of "liberating" them from their "unacceptable" need to connect with women it will enslave them to their new robot/A.I. female overlords...
The only men who will survive this techno-sexual revolution will be gay, or straight men who adopt the gay way to assimilate as gay men had to do in the past... Practice makes perfect! 😉
The whole attack on Kevin Spacey was the first salvo in the civil war between women and the gays...
hahahahhaha... I really should write a short story for this... Might make a nice setting for an absurdist dystopian indie movie 😂
All joking aside... This isn't something to be worried about... Beautiful people around the world learn very early on how to deal with unwanted approaches... As long as people are respectful to one another and don't overreact to rejection/asking for a number, it's fine... Normal people deal with this all the time...
Just don't be jerks to one another... 😎
it won't matter... very soon most people will meet almost exclusively through online sex and dating apps (it's happening already)...
It's not just young people... I know women in their mid 30s who use dating apps and such... It's not my thing as I'm a bit oldschool anyway...
I think it's a bit sad that people feel so much pressure on how they relate to one another... We shouldn't be that hard on one another...
To be honest, I don't think it's all doom and gloom... there are women who can handle being asked out and there are a lot of great women out there... And while i have been asked out more than my fair share of times (moreso in my 30s than my 20s!) i do prefer to ask a woman out... Yes, I do the hang out/drinks/acrivity thing as people are more casual these days and no one likes the pressure of a formal date, but i'm generally flirty/forward enough for it not to be misconstrued as just friends... Haven't been sued yet, so I guess I'm doing it right... haha
Yeah, sometimes I get turned down... everyone does... It's never fun, but the key is to not take it to heart or make too big a deal of it... You get better at reading people's receptiveness to you with time and by being observant... If you are young, the women you know will also probably mature and grow up over time... They won't be so awkward about rejecting dudes...
A lot of people wonder why a lot of men have a cynical/skeptical knee jerk initial reaction to sexual harassment claims, and it's because there's so much stuff like this, not just with celebrities but in "real life". Based on her account, all he did was ask for her number one time. If that's all that happened it can't be sexual harassment because A. Asking for someone's number isn't sexual and B. He asked once so it's not harassment. He has the right to ask for her number and she has the right to say no.
For the record, I'm 100% opposed to real sexual harassment like inappropriate touching, exposing yourself, or making obscene sexual comments in inappropriate contexts like at work. But when I hear the phrase "sexual harassment" (or the weasel word "creepy" for that matter) the first thing that comes to mind is a woman not liking how some guy looked at her or wanting someone fired for politely asking her out and other stupid shit like that. Before anyone says anything, yes, there are absolutely all kinds of people claiming that stuff like that is sexual harassment.
You nailed it sir.
share100% agreed
shareA lot of people wonder why a lot of men have a cynical/skeptical knee jerk initial reaction to sexual harassment claims, and it's because there's so much stuff like this,
Don't know how I'm undermining women's issues when I said this-
I'm 100% opposed to real sexual harassment like inappropriate touching, exposing yourself, or making obscene sexual comments in inappropriate contexts like at work.share
So what is it then if a woman is truthful about unwanted attention making her uncomfortable (which at no point is equated with other forms of harassment) and you lumping it in with the causes of knee-jerk, skeptical and cynical reactions to more serious forms of harassment> As if that somewhat justifies those reactions.
Is that you giving 100% opposition to harassment? Or is it you bending over backwards to try and lend utterly spurious credibility to kneejerk skeptical reactions.
Since when is it in any way to be ok to be instantly skeptical about serious allegations because other people make authentic comments on arguably less serious but not unrelated incidents?
Saying that you need to discourage an excess of unwanted attention due to your appealing posture is not anything like co-opting sexual assault and harassment accusations and it is clearly not intended to.
You're just another of these creeps who are looking for a way to undermine women's issues by pointing out how individual women are undermining them, using totally spurious arguments.
Jog on. You're the one who should be embarrassed.
Sick burn,you totally got me.🙄 She said what she said,not a lot of wiggle room on that.
shareShe didn't embarrass herself by telling the truth or undermining sexual harassment and assault accusations, like you're trying to wiggle into it.
It only sets women back with weirdos that try to contort the issues with crap like this. As if anything is ever going to convince them.
Brie was being perfectly reasonable. A TSA agent has no business asking for a stranger's phone number while doing his job. This isn't rocket science fer chrissakes.
shareWhy not? Is asking for a number somehow offensive? People do interact with other people on a personal level, even while working. Most people like others to be personable. Why,I just had the checkout lady at the store comment that she liked my shirt,and it gave me a brief moment of pleasure. Are you suggesting that any type of personal interaction at work is inappropriate? Because what he did is about as mild as it gets.
share"Are you suggesting that any type of personal interaction at work is inappropriate? Because what he did is about as mild as it gets."
Excuse me, pumpkin, but asking for someone's number when you are moving them through a checkpoint and have power over them is completely inappropriate. If you can't understand why this behavior is unacceptable, you are simply beyond reason and have no moral compass. Don't give me your fake wonderment about "any type of personal interaction at work".
In that context the problem would be thr tSA agent having authority over her, rather than the fact that he was doing his job...
If my waitress asked for my number to set up a date, it wouldn't be a big deal, but if a cop did the same at a checkpoint, it would be very questionable....
Context matters a lot in these situations...
I could understand how someone could say it was unprofessional for a TSA agent to do it, simply because he's supposed to be focused on his job and not trying to get women's phone numbers. But that has nothing to do with sexism/sexual harassment.
share"But that has nothing to do with sexism/sexual harassment."
It has everything to do with sexism/sexual harassment. The fact that people like you don't recognize this is why we have the problems we do.
The truth of the matter is that Brie and other women find these kinds of behaviors unpleasant. That's enough. Just accept this, and DON'T BEHAVE THAT WAY. Why would you persist in trying to normalize something that other human beings don't like? Do you not have respect?
I can't decide if you're a troll or simply naive... Either way,you are most certainly part of what is wrong with this country.
share"Either way,you are most certainly part of what is wrong with this country."
Actually, that's what you are.
Hahaha,did you really just throw out the "no I'm not,you are" card. Lol,thanks for the chuckle.
share"Hahaha,did you really just throw out the "no I'm not,you are" card. Lol,thanks for the chuckle."
The facts are clearly on my side, not yours. We have a problem with sexual harassment in the country. The reason why we have this problem is because of cretins like you who contribute to a culture where women's complaints about male behavior are marginalized and only men get to decide when their complaints are legitimate or not.
I'm the one pointing the finger at this behavior, you are the one defending it. Therefor you are obviously and objectively part of the problem. I'm part of the solution. It is as simple as that, but I'm sure even this simple point will be too difficult for you to grasp.
Definition of Sexual Harassment:
Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.
Asking for a person's phone number is not harassment of a sexual nature. Asking for a person's phone number is a means to establish ongoing communication between 2 parties. You cannot take into consideration a person's (possible) underlying motives (ie. asking for a date, just talking and getting to know someone etc.) and automatically red flag it as sexual harassment.
Do I think the TSA agent was in the wrong? Yes and no (because there is no definitive proof of what his motives were). Was it inappropriate given the situation? Yes. I don't think he should have asked her for it.
I am curious though MagneticMonopole. How the hell do you think your parent's met? Did you mom and dad not communicate before getting married and spawning you? Did your mother scream sexual harassment when he approached her and asked her for a date or her phone number? I highly doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't exist.
You're clearly an unattractive female.
shareHer comment about the TSA agent wasn't an example of sexual assault or harassment.
Thus, there is no valid complaint in that specific context (which is the crux of your topic).
She WHAT now?
*bites fist*
insufferable
shareLarsen is leveraging her status as a millionaire Hollywood celeb to dump on a TSA agent pulling $10/hr. Personally, I'm not all that interested in power dynamics. What's right is right & what's wrong is wrong, no matter who has the upper hand. But I believe this is what they call "punching down".
What's interesting to me is that her effort to shame this type of male behavior will fail. Because the underlying calculus in romantic relationships remains the same. That is, aggressive men will get jilted & occasionally have their noses rubbed in it. But they'll still get dates. Passive men are doomed to solitude.