She keeps attacking the governor for his policies on homelessness.
So what are her policies on homelessness? That we keep eliminating them from society? Just like Trump, I don't think a gov't title will make you suddenly a decent human being.
She could advocate for coin hot showers in state and county parks - but why be kind to the least of these? We wouldn't be able to tell the difference between clean tourists or them though in eliminating.
WOW.
How many homeless people did Trump remove from society?
FUCK.
You people are nuts.
They literally do not care what Trump did or did not do in reality. Whenever they need to whip themselves up into a self-righteous frenzy, they just pick some atrocious deed and ascribe it to Donald Trump.
"Like, remember when Donald Trump burned all those witches at the stake in Salem? Are we ever gonna allow society to stoop that low again!?!"
Right... Trump isn't a hypocrite at all and it isn't apparent AT ALL.
shareI don't know, how many people needlessly died while homeless under Trump? Does that count as removing from society?
shareAnd NO one died under Obama or Biden while homeless???
Plus, you just said: you don't know!!!
Plus: did Trump personally killed them if you say he removed them from society?
Jeezus the leftists are really dumb ...
The problem is that the Pacific Ocean is really nice. If I found myself on the street in Detroit, Buffalo, Phoenix, I'd do whatever it takes to get my ass to the beach in Southern California, San Diego to San Luis Obispo.
shareThere are other states with beaches, you know? So that can't be the problem...
Not acknowledging them as human beings and trying to remove them from society in EACH city. Snobs. Send them to another city. Yeah, that works.
Yeah, but there isn't a critical mass of yahoos in California that would use me as target practice, stand-your-ground types.
shareMost homeless people are mentally ill or are drug addicts. They used to have mental institutions for people like these, but the bleeding hearts said that it is against their human rights to lock them and force them to take medication against their will. They found common cause with fiscal conservatives who wanted to save money on government spending. This is an example of so-called bipartisanship where everybody gets screwed from both directions except for the super rich.
So thanks to short sighted policies like these, the homeless are making our urban centers unlivable. In reality, it is more cruel to give these people freedom and let them become a nuisance instead of giving them nice place to sleep and stay where they can be taken care of. Sure, it costs money to run these mental institutions, but there are long term savings. If you want a functional society, this is the cost of doing business.
Putting people in mental institutions is still the mentality that certain people should be eliminated from society... Black, elderly, disabled, mental, addict, etc.
THAT'S the problem. The mind-set against them from the world. Each city needs to take care of their own and house them. Don't admire the oppressors.
A mental institution for these people provides more dignity, quality of life, and freedom than they being out there to fend for themselves, scared and confused.
I’m sorry, but sometimes people need to be protected from themselves.
Ronald Reagan started the trend of de-institutionalizing the mentally ill and now we have a major social problem with homelessness.
They are up against people like you and my heart goes out to them. Social services via police are working in the homeless community. They don't have to be institutionalized. No one should have the attitude that certain people should be removed from society - especially in America, and especially in 2021.
shareYou should let them live in your house and give them a hug if you love them so much ;)
shareAs a human being, I have enough compassion in me to help them have homes.
Have a blessed day!
homes?
who is running the home?
How many did you help? How many homes did you buy/build/rent for the homeless??
shareI am homeless. Most of the time, it's just having to overcome jerks in the world like you.
Thank God for His Word and for taking up our cause against such oppressive people.
If you are homeless you are in the wrong, jerks like me either ignore the likes of you (homeless) either feed them.
If you have to "overcome" "oppressive" people trying to feed you then it's clear that you are a part of the problem.
If god would have taken up your cause you wouldn't be homeless!!!
I have to say, I don't believe you that you're homeless; it seems like you're trolling. So many people have brought up points regarding the complexity of the homeless problem, and you just ignore them. Do you really have no exposure to drug addicted, mentally ill, or just violent homeless people? Of course that's not everybody, but it's a significant percentage of the homeless population. If you really are homeless you're well aware that. Respectfully, what solutions do you propose?
I'm under the impression that you believe the problem with the homeless is that society won't accept them and their lifestyle. How would you characterize the homeless problem?
Seriously, what solutions do you propose?
Right now I'm praying and hoping for coin hot showers in state and county parks...
shareI'm sorry, but coin-operated showers and county parks will do little to address the abundance of suffering in the homeless population.
What about drug addiction, mental illness, and violence within the homeless population? What should be done about that?
You could stop being a jerk to homeless people and that should help them out.
shareI'm not a jerk to homeless people, quite the opposite. I have spent countless hours volunteering to help them. I even helped run an organization that made and distributed food to several shelters in my community; I did that for three years before relocating.
Any chance you want to engage in a substantive conversation? Take the questions seriously and answer them (you were the one that posted this topic in the first place).
Yuck. There are many people who do public service and their hearts aren't into it.
Attitudes towards the homeless such as yours needs to stop. Period. Assessments from people like you aren't worth the sexual or physical assaults that they endure.
My heart wasn't in to it? Yuck indeed.
Organizing a group of food service professionals to make nutritious and delicious meals for the those without access to them absolutely takes heart. You clearly have no idea what it takes to even run a modest operation such as that. We had to secure kitchens, organize volunteers, secure ingredient donations, organize with the shelters to meet their needs, etc. We organized pop-up sales for the general public during various events where 100% of the proceeds went to local shelters. It was like a second job. Nobody was paid a cent for their efforts. In fact I lost significant time and money of my own to do it. Nobody does that without heart and every volunteer there had it. I'm proud of what we did.
Nether my volunteer efforts nor my posts here have anything to do with physical or sexual assaults prevalent in the homeless population. Your attitude is repugnant.
Yes, exactly, you're a people pleaser, and homeless people suffer violence because of obvious hypocrisy. I can at least advocate for coin hot showers, as well as housing.
shareI don't think you understand the purpose of a psychiatric hospital, aka a "mental institution," or how one works. Those of us who want to get all the homeless off the streets are not doing so because we think they, or anyone, needs to be "removed from society." It isn't about race or age or anything else. It's compassion.
The vast majority of homeless people are either suffering from a mental illness, or addicted to a drug. Their lives are in danger when we let them roam the streets unchecked, and they present a danger to those around them. They commit crimes in order to get money for drugs. When I was in college, a homeless person walked up to a random pedestrian one day and stabbed him to death with a knife, because in his schizophrenic state of mind he believed the pedestrian was a demon.
The goal of a psychiatric hospital is to heal the patient-- either by prescribing treatment, medication, and therapy for mental illness, or treatment and rehabilitation for drug addiction-- and gradually prepare them to re-enter the world as a happy, sane, productive citizen.
Being homeless is not a crime. You shouldn't judge or discriminate against a social class - or on housing or economic status. Society has a poor class - rich oppressors will have to get over it. Now how poor is the poorest citizen is up to the community - a joint effort with gov't and the rich. Basic income would give the poor ~$500 monthly and many could improve their lives simply with that. Being homeless is extremely difficult and you have to fight for the rights to live and breath everyday - EVERY day - because everyday someone evil is trying to eliminate you from society. The crimes against homeless people are horrendous - the negative attitude against them has got to stop.
shareBasic income is an entirely different discussion. We're talking about the homeless population, and it isn't a lack of money that is causing them to be homeless. No one is judging or discriminating against them, and your attempt to turn this into rich vs. poor is misguided.
If someone is homeless because he has a mental illness, handing him $500 a month, or $5,000 a month, is not going to help his situation. He needs doctors, medicine, therapy, and a safe place to heal.
If someone is homeless because he is addicted to heroin, handing him $500 a month, or $5,000 a month, is not going to help his situation. He needs doctors, medicine, therapy, a support group, and so on.
There are certainly people who are homeless because they can't afford a place to live, but they are rare. There are numerous safety nets already built into our society, and our government, to mitigate that. No one is advocating hospitalization for those few who have fallen through the cracks, or have chosen a homeless lifestyle over one that involves having a job. They still should not be allowed to live on the streets, and that's why shelters and job programs exist.
There are certainly people who are homeless because they can't afford a place to live, but they are rare.
Damn, i can't believe I agree wit you 110%.
And the "opponent" seems a moron with 100% ideology and zero knowledge of the real world. And he speaks of "ignorance" - ironic and hilarious ...
Ronald Reagan did not start a "trend of de-institutionalizing the mentally ill." That is a gross misrepresentation of historical fact.
The ACLU argued for the end of forced institutionalization of harmless insane people, not Ronald Reagan. At the urging of the ACLU, Ronald Reagan signed a bipartisan bill, known as the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act. It had bipartisan support and was widely lauded by the left as a civil rights masterpiece. Only later, when it became apparent that the whole thing was a fiasco, was it entirely blamed in retrospect on Reagan, which is a myth, and a wholly fabricated talking point of the left.
The number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was governor, and had already fallen to 22,000 when Reagan became governor 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. (Jerry) Brown Jr.
According to the bill, there was supposed to be follow up to make sure deinstitutionalization actually worked. Subsequent California administrations neglected to do so, but Regan signed the bill in good faith that his successors would honor the letter of the law. They didn't.
You have a habit of ravaging people's ignorance with the truth... and I love it.
sharelol... I don't mean it in a harsh way. My worldview is based on facts, and I'm open-minded to learning more about a topic and changing my mind. I may be naive, but I hope others are the same way, so if someone states something untrue, a la "hitfan" up above, I'm not shy about chiming in with the truth. And if I'm wrong, as I sometimes am, I consider it a positive experience, and end up better-educated for the experience.
shareThanks. Good info.
shareRead my earlier comment:
“ Most homeless people are mentally ill or are drug addicts. They used to have mental institutions for people like these, but the bleeding hearts said that it is against their human rights to lock them and force them to take medication against their will. They found common cause with fiscal conservatives who wanted to save money on government spending. This is an example of so-called bipartisanship where everybody gets screwed from both directions except for the super rich.”
I’m not attacking one political ideology while ignoring the other. This is a bipartisan clusterf*ck.
No, your problem is that you're okay with a homeless mentally ill person living in public squalor. Many of the visibly insane homeless are not capable or responsible enough to self-medicate thus they continue to live in squalor.
I'm against this notion of a totally open and free society and I'm not a conservative republican, but I'm also not a naive dreamer who thinks society is an open playground for our disposal. There has to be a social contract and it seems that in today's society we've accepted bending the rules to satisfy the elites, tranquilize the working class, and subdue to the poor.
The problem is: they are NOT a part of the society in the first place anyway ...
shareSociety doesn't have a low low income class?
You can raise the minimum of the low income people, you know.
That's not what I mean. Most of them have 0 income, are mentally ill and they have removed themselves from the society. They and their lifestyle are NOT a part of the society.
Most of them? How many homeless people do you know??
shareI don't speak based on anecdotal data. Satistics say so.
"According to a 2015 assessment by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States. At a minimum, 140,000 or 25 percent of these people were seriously mentally ill, and 250,000 or 45 percent had any mental illness. By comparison, a 2016 study found that 4.2 percent of U.S. adults have been diagnosed with a serious mental illness."
"In 2006, Markowitz published data on 81 US cities, looking at correlations between the decreasing availability of psychiatric hospital beds and the increase in crime, arrest rates, and homelessness. As expected, he found direct correlations. This is consistent with past studies in Massachusetts and Ohio that reported that 27 and 36 percent of the discharges from state mental hospitals had become homeless within six months. It is also consistent with a study in New York that found that 38 percent of discharges from a state hospital had “no known address” six months later."
"Living in shelters or on the streets is likely to be difficult, even for a person whose brain is working normally. For those with schizophrenia or manic-depressive illness, this kind of life is often a living hell. The majority of homeless individuals with untreated psychiatric illnesses regularly forage through garbage cans and dumpsters for their food. A 1988 survey of 529 homeless people divided them into those who had been previously psychiatrically hospitalized and those who had not. The previously hospitalized individuals were three times more likely to obtain some of their food from garbage cans (28 percent versus nine percent) and much more likely to use garbage cans as their “primary food source (eight percent versus one percent)."
https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/consequences/homeless-mentally-ill.html
Some society.
Remember reading another study that was advancing a higher number, close to 60% but cannot find it ...
I actually know and work with homeless people. Most of them aren't anything like what you describe.
However you want to treat the least of these...
De-institutionalizing the mentally ill started in the 70s. It wasn't just activists pushing it, shrinks and judges too!
By the late 70s people were already warning they were much worse off out on the streets. First article I found:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/deinstitutionalizing-mentally-ill-12660.html
You've got to read these interviews of the homeless in SD... you're the only one with the means to investigate, and to see how much has changed.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2000/jun/22/cover-houseless/
Interviews, surveys, how somebody feels is not a policy approach but rather an attempt to influence opinions.
Right... like I wrote, you've got to read the interviews. These were taken 20 years ago. Has anything changed?? Have the people since been eliminated - do they still exist?? Who has the means to investigate??
shareA lot has changed, unfortunately. I suggest you check out the YouTube channel "Soft White Underbelly". It's a channel dedicated to filming interviews similar to those in the article you supplied (with over 800 filmed). I suggest you watch 29 interviews and juxtapose the experience with the reading of that article (it had 29 interviews). I'd love discuss it with you after that.
https://www.youtube.com/c/SoftWhiteUnderbelly/videos
It would cost a fortune, but if we can waste 100 billion on a train to Fresno that nobody will ride, why not?
Build some very large detention centers in places like Texas, where public employee unions will not absorb all the money like they do in California.
Round up all the homeless, transport them to the detention centers and humanely clean them, feed them, clothe them, and shelter them.
Once they are settled, sort them into categories: criminals are directed to the criminal justice system, the mentally ill are put in mental health institutions, drug and alcohol addicts who are otherwise rational are given treatment, and the tiny minority who are "just ordinary people down on their luck" are given assistance to get their lives back together and re-enter society as productive citizens. Those who refuse rehabilitation will be kept at the detention center permanently.
My cousin used to work with an organization who would house homeless people. The didn't rehome criminals, but even those who had substance abuse issues had a much higher success rate at getting clean, finding work, and maintaining work if the had a place to call their own.
shareSo your plan to reduce homelessness is to criminalize homelessness? Which is proven to never work. Also trusting Texas with “detention centers” (sounds kind of communist) because they have done such a great job at running those on the border. Not to mention it’s entirely unconstitutional and a violation of people’s basic civil liberties. Let’s see the next hair-brained idea.
shareHmm... like luxury concentration camps??
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"Those who refuse rehabilitation will be kept at the detention center permanently."
Jesus! You just went full fascist with that post didn't you! Life in a prison camp for those that don't tow the line?