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She says Wonder Woman is a queer and trans icon.


I hate stuff like this. The character is a straight woman, and she tries to make the character come across as some face for an oppressed group. Does she really think this is what gay and trans people look up to just because a few people told her so? They want an actual gay character. They want an actual trans character. Instead, she claims that the character is an icon for those groups to make it look like Wonder Woman isn't just some straight white woman. Play an actual gay or trans character then talk.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-06-02/lynda-carter-wonder-woman-pride-month-tweet

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a pathetic attempt to be relevant

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💯 You beat me to it!

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Why 100?

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I agree, 100%

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Yes!

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Completely.
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“Every time someone comes up to me and says that WW helped them while they were closeted, it reminds me how special the role is.”


Yeah, that's never happened.

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Lol for real.

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I wonder what it is about Wonder Woman that she claims helped them come out.

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Closeted lesbians liked her boobs?

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Interesting...

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I’ll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.

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🤣

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I want to thank you guys for bringing some actual wit to this witforesaken site. It’s nauseating and disgusting how feeble most of the attempts at humor are on MovieChat. You made me laugh. Usually, I sneer and shake my head.

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I think back in the 70's when it was on TV being closeted didn't me you were some gay dude trying to hide it, I think it meant you were some dude afraid your mom would walk into your bedroom when you were jacking off so you did it in the closet... Seeing her big ass titties on the poster in your room made jacking off much quicker.

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Shame on her. Lying about WW. WW likes the D.

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WW likes it big and wide.

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Y u have to make it creepy? Stay off my side.

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haha

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That D is Chris Pine.

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There are lots of straight characters and people that are LGBTQ icons.

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it's people segregating how humans can be inspired,
because a gay person looked up to a strong female TV character it becomes about being gay instead of about that person simply being inspired

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Segregation? The hell you are talking about? Let people enjoy things.

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shut thy mouth

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There are lots of straight characters and people that are LGBTQ icons.


Really?! Oh, thank you, wise one. Thank you for bestowing us all with your knowledge. Your worldliness knows no bounds.

Wonder Woman isn't a LGBTQ icon, though. Linda Carter is only calling her a queer and trans icon because it's a fashionable thing to say right now, at least to self-serving bores who need validation. She's never said it before.

As a gay guy, I can honestly say I've never heard any of my many friends or acquaintances talk about Linda Carter, let alone refer to WW as an LGBTQ icon. Neither of them has ever garnered much attention within the LGBTQ media. We're talking about an actress whose career hit its peak over 40 years ago playing a character in a ropey TV show. Her delusions of grandeur are hilarious. She's hardly Cher.

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This post is hilarious.

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You sound very angry and hateful for a gay guy.

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You sound like he owned you.

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Are you 12?

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you just proved jfleg's point

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That makes no sense whatsoever, you fucking idiot

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thanks for proving my point but you always do.

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I should have known I'm wasting my time with a braindead moron.

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¿Puedes decir eso en español sin software de traducción?

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When I was a little girl, I thought she was a role model for girls and an icon for strong women who could be the main characters in our own stories.

Silly me.

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As a straight white dude, the Ninja Turtles made me feel like I could be myself.

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SNORT!!!!!

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It's like one thing can be lots of things for different people. Crazy, right?

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How is this a shock? She's an Amazon from Themyscira. Not a lot of men around were there???

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Good point. But I feel that she's just saying this to claim being some queer and trans icon for her own ego. I don't think many gay or trans people felt seen because of a straight cisgender woman.

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That may be true, but even in high school we thought wonder woman was a lesbian and that was 30 years ago.

So maybe Carter is just trying to get some publicity, and stroke her ego, and maybe I don't see the trans connection, but I've never thought that Wonder Woman was straight.

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Wonder Woman dated Batman and Superman in the comics. In the comics, TV,
and film she has a boyfriend .


So where did you and your posse get that idea?

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Because of Greek mythology. She's an Amazon.

I guess I can see how someone now can also toss in that she may represent trans people, but I don't recall any of the Themyscirans cutting off their breasts.

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so not from any interpretation of WW, but a fair point

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I guess it probably derived from the idea of someone with a "male" soul being planted in a female body?

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She was the only heterosexual on Thymiscera!

She must have got it from her father.

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Is that cannon that she was the only heterosexual? Or just because tv shows in the 70s didn't show gay people in a way that wasn't comedic relief? I'm just curious because I found an article yesterday from the Smithsonian that mentions a book written by a psychiatrist where he states “As to the ‘advanced femininity,’ what are the activities in comic books which women ‘indulge in on an equal footing with men’? They do not work. They are not homemakers. They do not bring up a family. Mother-love is entirely absent. Even when Wonder Woman adopts a girl there are Lesbian overtones,” he said. The link and full quote are in the comment below. It's interesting about the creator of the comic and his life with two wives, as well as S&M overtones in the early comics as well.

I mean no comic was going to come right out and say that she was gay. Especially not pre 2000s. But there are so many stories one hears about how art has been misinterpreted and that the poem/story/song/painting wasn't about hetero love at all. In the end though, does it really matter? Can we not interpret characters the way we want to? If I want to see Wonder Woman as an awesome bi sexual why can't I? It's not like she's a real person, or has consistent writers. 😊

Really though, I don't care. I just know that since my learning of the Amazons, I've considered Wonder Woman to swing both ways, so I was suprised at how many people were adamant that she was straight, and could only ever be straight.

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"Is that cannon that she was the only heterosexual?"

I have no idea, I haven't read 80 years worth of Wonder Woman comics! But it's common sense, there's an island full of women who are perfectly happy with no men around, and who are definitely not doing what Diana did, leaving the island and hooking up with a handsome Steve. I mean, what other assumption can an adult make?

Not having read 200 years of back comics, or watched the entirety of the 70s TV show, I can't tell you whether Diana ever had bi leanings. But she's the only Amazon who ever had any interest in a man, so...

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I haven't read 80 years worth of Wonder Woman comics!


Me either. And I'm honestly not trying to force homosexuality on the character, I just don't think it's a new idea. Like I said, my group of friends tossed the idea around 30 years ago.

I also don't think that Lynda Carter is an icon for anyone, and like I said I was just surprised at the number of people who were suggesting that this is an SJW idea, or that it's not something the creator ever thought of.

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Actually, the all-male tribe the Gargareans were around to mate with.

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WHAT SHE IS REALLY SAYING: "I, Lynda Carter, am an actress in her 70s who was known for one big role: Wonder Woman. The current owners of that intellectual property have informed me that if I want to continue to be associated with the Wonder Woman name I must agree to spout the Woke LGBTQetc. message they want me to say about Wonder Woman."

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Nailed it.

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It reminds me of when JK Rowling was criticized for not having gay characters in the Harry Potter universe, and then she goes, "oh...um... Dumbledore is gay by the way."

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Wow that hits the bullseye. I loved Wonder Woman when I was a girl. Won't watch it anymore.

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Wonder Woman was never gay, queer, trans, etc. She is a heterosexual, born as a woman. Just being an actress in a cheesy '70s tv show doesn't give Carter the authority to make ridiculous pronouncements about a character that long pre-dates her participation.

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I wonder what the creator would think.

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Have you ever read about the creator? I honestly think the creator would be fine with her being a lesbian.

This isn't the first time it's been suggested either.

Most superheroes didn’t survive peacetime and those that did were changed forever in 1954, when a psychiatrist named Fredric Wertham published a book called Seduction of the Innocent and testified before a Senate subcommittee investigating the comics. Wertham believed that comics were corrupting American kids, and turning them into juvenile delinquents. He especially disliked Wonder Woman. Bender had written that Wonder Woman comics display “a strikingly advanced concept of femininity and masculinity” and that “women in these stories are placed on an equal footing with men and indulge in the same type of activities.” Wertham found the feminism in Wonder Woman repulsive.

“As to the ‘advanced femininity,’ what are the activities in comic books which women ‘indulge in on an equal footing with men’? They do not work. They are not homemakers. They do not bring up a family. Mother-love is entirely absent. Even when Wonder Woman adopts a girl there are Lesbian overtones,” he said. At the Senate hearings, Bender testified, too. If anything in American popular culture was bad for girls, she said, it wasn’t Wonder Woman; it was Walt Disney. “The mothers are always killed or sent to the insane asylums in Walt Disney movies,” she said. This argument fell on deaf ears.


This is an excerpt from https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/origin-story-wonder-woman-180952710/

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He probably would be fine with it, but I don't think it was his intention other than just making an awesome female superhero.

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My question is still the same as what I mentioned in my comment above. If he didn't intend for there to at least be speculation why would he make her an Amazon?

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I'm not trying to be funny, but I guess it's how I look at The Smurfs. There's only one woman in Smurfland. Either she's a whore, or the rest are gay. But I don't think the creator really expects us to think either.

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Smurfette was created by Gargamel to spy on the Smurfs.

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So I guess I'm leaning toward them being gay.

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I think we looked this up years ago and that there were female smurfs and they were split, but I honestly don't know too much about Smurf lore.

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I should say that I don't think that Linda Carter is a gay/trans icon, I just think that there is a lot of things that point to Wonder Woman not being as straight as people want her to be.

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While this thread has made me rethink WW and her sexuality, I still maintain Carter's statement is out of the blue and an attempt to stay relevant. And a sad attempt at that.

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And I 100% agree with that.

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I think Smurfs are a bit like the Minions on Despicable Me. They reproduce asexually by a magical process that no one understands. There's one of them just standing there, and then, POP! There's two of 'em. Like dust bunnies.

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It's like Gremlins.

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Exactly! Except not scary. Ok, a little bit scary.

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