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Wade's allegation of abuse at age 7 is very unlikely


So the story goes that he and his family visited Neverland. The family then left wade alone with MJ for a week.

During that week MJ touched his penis, made him touch his, performed oral sex on him, made him perform return the favour, showered together, masturbated together, posed on all fours for MJ to look at his anus, allowed MJ to masturbate and routinely insert his tongue into his anus, and licked MJs nipples while he got off.

Then the parents came back and apparently a 7 year old can keep a secret and nobody noticed anything different about Wade, who despite returning to Australia, worked hard to get back to the USA

From the point of view of a criminal profiler, the story is not likely or credible.

It's just too much, too soon and at too young an age.

If Michael was such a pedophile, he would have gotten caught with such reckless behaviour. Someone would have talked.

Plus I'd say a child wouldn't keep that secret for long.

I think Wade is a sicko and imagined it all. The more shocking, the more money he thinks he'll get.

The allegation is in stark contrast to James Safechuck's that follows a pattern of grooming, conditioning and slow escalation.

So if you believe James, you shouldn't be so inclined to automatically believe Wade.

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Has wade ever taken a lie detector test regarding these claims? I know the results aren't definitive and it's possible to defeat them but it's an interesting exercise none the less.

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Neither of them have.

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Lie detector tests are bunk. Pseudoscience. We may as well be reading their astrological signs lol.

It feels like to me that if they took such a test and failed, no one would care (or they'd quickly learn how bunk these tests are). But if they passed, we'd never hear the end of it and it would suddenly be the number one talking point among MeTooers.

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I think they can be helpful early on in a crime, but should never be used in a trial. After this many years the accusers have their stories so memorized and scripted that they will definitely pass a lie detector test.

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Haha Well, while we may disagree on the worthwhileness of lie detector tests, I take it from that last sentence that we at least agree that these accusors taking one would be pointless.

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I think Wade is extremely jealous of MJ that he never achieved the same level of talent and success. He only copies MJ and never broke out on his own.

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Just heard. Wade's lawsuit thrown out (again!). No surprise. Time for Wade to to get a regular job.

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He must have known that his lawsuit wouldn't work because he returned to work a few years ago. In his initial lawsuit he stated why he could never work in the industry again due to the trauma.

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Which is an absolute crock of shit for Wade to say that. He's burned many bridges in the music industry and was unable to secure the Cirque Du Soleil job, so he resorts to this. He's tainted.

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Strangely he still has a lot of fans and friends in the dance community.

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I'd have to ask myself why micheal kept putting himself in these situations, he was accused of it once and even with one of the best lawyers in the world, he decided to pay off his "victim". logically micheal should have crossed the road everytime he saw someone younger than 20, scared of not wanting to be falsely accused again.

But time and time again he put himself in this situation. not just in his home, but in his bed. that tells me it was an urge.

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Given that Wade's 2012 lawsuit is still dragging on, it makes sense that MJ and Sony wanted to settle it so he could do more music.

MJ did History and his History Tour which was a huge money maker because he settled the case.

As for why he kept sleeping with kids, yes, that is insane. I do t know if urge is the correct word, maybe it was deviance, but he grew up sharing his bed with his brothers so maybe it made him feel less lonely.

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With micheal there was a huge amount of dishonesty and a not a very firm grip on reality, we're told he had an illness that made his skin white, but he just happened to get a nose job and straighten his hair to lets "complete the look"

looking at him in the early days, his race.. it's impossibe that those children are his. with micheal we have to believe that near billion to one events don't just happen once, but time and time again.

there are ways of being less lonely, micheal was a talented performer, rich and before the surgery was quite popular with women he could have be with any girl he wanted, had the kids he wanted, the family... why didn't he?

hanging a baby over the balcony, with micheal he was always trying to convince the world of things that were imposible, he had no grip on reality, he also time and time again put children in strange situations, be it with the balcony, in his bed...

A sane person would have to look at all this and see theres something very wrong.

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Can you please at least spell his name correctly? MichAEL.

Yes, he was off the wall in many regards. I don't believe the vitaligo story and think he was medically inducing it.

As for no women, maybe he didn't like their deceptive ways? Half of marriages end in divorce and that's even higher for Hollywood.

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i'd be more worried about micheals deceptive ways.

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It was confirmed through the autopsy report after his death that he had vitligo.
Besides, there are several photos of him with ugly spots on his skin.
This is maybe my "favorite" one (look below his right eye):
https://www.google.com/search?q=michael+jackson+vitiligo&oq=michael+jackson+vitiligo&aqs=chrome..69i57.20812j0j7&client=tablet-android-lenovo-rev2&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=SANyspBPOsuRNM

Here you have another photo from years later of him with darker spots on his arm:
https://mitajain.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_vitiligo_11.jpg

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I'm pretty sure that these doctors were paid off to protect his legacy, thats why even though micheal was an addict, his personal doctor has the blame pinned on him. his sister latoya said he didn't have it, qunicy jones said "micheal told me he didn't have it"

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You have to learn how to spell his name before I take you seriously.
Good bye.

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There are zero cases of someone w/vitligo turning completely white! It's spots and blotches. He had vitligo, then bleached the rest of his skin to hide it because he was a vain person and yet people try to use that to get him sympathy or act like he was a champion of the infliction. No, he wasn't. He was a coward. That's literally why he wore his sequin glove. He started bleaching his hand to test it, and did the rest of his skin and when you look at his ugly nails, you could tell. He couldnt bleach under there, and vitligo wasnt gonna do some spot touch up under his nails for him. Total phony from head to toe. A sick sick sick evil person.

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Wow...
So he was a sick and evil person because he covered up ugly blotches on his skin?

I don't even know how to reply to all of your bullshit.
Good bye.

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your complete failure to trying and discuss something without geting all emotional and offended says a lot. and this was always the problem, reasonable debate was always torn down with emotions.

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To be fair, I've come across several of NGMI's posts. The person appears to be either a troll or an idiot (or I suppose both may be possible). He's habitually antagonistic and comes off as a bit unintelligent. No crime in the latter, obviously, but when paired with the former it should be understandable that it may get on some people's nerves.

Also, the fact that your profile came into existence a mere three days ago and your time has almost strictly been spent here arguing with people seems to indicate that you're potentially just as bad. Or maybe even that this is an alternate ID being used by NGMI since no other reinforcements have shown up naturally.

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When have i argued? just because i don't agree with you? because i have another opinion?

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I'm pointing out the oddness of you having appeared here (and only here) to dive headfirst into a divisive topic, taking the contradicting view. Obviously knowing it'll get a rise out of people (whether this is the intention or not). This could be due to simply wanting to express an opinion. However, I'm sure you can recognize that this is also often the behavior of someone that just likes stirring the pot for the heck of it. Hence me bringing up the "potential" of that being the case.

The word "argue" isn't synonymous with fighting. I'm presenting arguments to you at this very moment. It doesn't mean I'm fighting with you or attempting to antagonize. In fact, the entire reason I responded to you (or this alternate ID, if that's the case) instead of NGMI was that somewhat more reasonable discussion appeared to be coming from here than from the NGMI account. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt while also voicing what I feel were legitimate suspicions that you may simply be trolling.

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I don't see arguments, just emotions, just the defense of the indefensable. you've got so radical that if someone doesn't think like you, then it can't be the opinion of more than one person, because you couldn't be wrong? it would have to be the same person right?

insane

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The suspicions I was talking about, in regards to this possibly being an alternate ID, had specifically to do with you using a brand new account that's pretty much only been active on this one board. Which I clearly explained. Also, I briefly mentioned this as an afterthought when responding to a comment you made using that "you're just emotional" schtick on someone else. It's not as if I used it as an ad hominem attack to any actual point you tried to make regarding the topic of the thread (as far as that went, I left you a rather long and civil on-topic response).

The fact that you're trying to widdle this down to merely being "emotional" or "radical" is a kind of odd. I've been fairly formal with you.

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wait, so i'm using "ad hominems" but instead of addressing what i've said about jackson, you ignore it and find it easier to say i'm a sock?! do you not see the irony?! this is exactly why you seem over emotional and lacking reality.

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No, you know EXACTLY why he was sick sick sick evil person. Druggie, predator, molester, witness tamperer, antiemetic, habitual liar, mass consumer who wasted millions of dollars on crap, vain to point of mutilating his face and body, so disjointed from reality all his efforts to "help" others did absolutely nothing. Ferris wheels and train rides dont do shit for the sick! They only lure sick children into his lair like a web for the predator. Families, desperate for money from financial burdens of cancer treatment that they will gladly take hush money to let that pervert serve alcohol and have his way with children. Disgusting. A calculating predator who spent more money on that then anything. If you bought one of his albums, you're a condoner and an accomplice of his and belong where he is.

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Michael appeared to have some splotches on his face in the 80s and a few marks on his hands. This depigmentation could have been due to lupus. He was obviously engaging in whitening due to photos of him with white makeup going back to the early 80s. Latoya went white as a cosmetic choice.

I heard that he took medication that creates a vitiligo effect and after that he used bleaching creams to remove the weakened pigment. He couldn’t use those creams under his nails so he had very dark finger nails.

I think there is a strong case that the whitening was a choice and any natural depigmentation was quite limited.

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Comparing Michael Jackson's life to any pre-established idea of normality and judging him via this comparison is a bit of a flaw in logic. He lived in a state of abnormal situations that no human could escape from once in it.

The man was literally the most famous human being on the planet. Even other famous celebrities looked at him as an untouchable superstar. He couldn't walk out in public without being mobbed by shouting, crying people who were trying to touch him. Time Square had to be shut down once simply because he visited it for an interview with TRL (he wasn't even performing). Imagine living such a life. And living it for decades. No one treating you like a normal person. Never knowing who to trust. Having no peers to relate with. Everyone looking at you, spying on you, expecting you to perform, trying to get something from you. Not even being able to go shopping in peace or without guards. Add onto this, him being a Jehovah's Witness and all the alienating weirdness that comes with that. And then the vitiligo and lupus, of course.

Even YouTube stars who have people looking at them and judging them all the time start freaking out about their appearance. Now you've got Jackson, being looked at and judged more than anyone in the world. Finding white splotches all over his face and having people talk about his big nose in magazines. It doesn't take many leaps of imagination to get to the result of the surgeries that follow. And I'd wager we'd see a lot more hacked-up faces in the world if people had money to burn like Jackson did; and that's just from basic insecurities. Heck, if Janet had white skin, she'd look just like him due to hers. As for his hair: do you think Jackson would've looked more or less odd if he had kept an afro?

I'm not sure of the relevance of whether his kids were his or not. They could be. But even if they weren't, it would only be indicative that he didn't want to tell the entire planet something personal.

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IMO, I think it's apparent that he had a compulsion to engage in acts of charity. I suspect this may've had to do with a very religious upbringing. He was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness and I think it affected many aspects of his life and personality. He was never allowed to celebrate Christmas or birthdays, for instance. And he was even pressured into putting a disclaimer before his Thriller video assuring audiences that he didn't support the occult.

Even much of his music had the type of lyrics you'd expect from a Christian Rock band. Beat It, for instance, was telling people to run away from fights. Man In The Mirror was basically telling them to do charity. There was Black and White, We Are The World, Heal the World, it goes on and on. It was weird lol. Unusual from a superstar musician.

The point is, there's an onslaught of behavior that was indicative of this obsession with altruism and a strangely innocent (and perhaps naive) outlook. Much of the stuff he did, charity-wise, wasn't even found out about until his death. I mean, the guy was doing this during his free time the way other celebs hang at clubs. And the entire reason for Neverland was basically him making an amusement park specifically for children in need. He even had deals set up with charity organizations to have them shipped there by the hundreds every year.

Again, keeping this all in context, I think he just didn't want to stop making kids happy and trying to help them (as cheeseball as that sounds). Whether that's because he wanted to secure a place in heaven or what, I don't know (I'm an atheist lol). But the compulsion seems obvious. Kids (and random families) were always around due to it and they loved him and stayed glued to him like he was Mickey Mouse. And I think this is the impetus that led to him getting in those situations.

That, obviously, and the fact that the most famous man alive was an easy target for opportunistic people seeing a rare chance to get rich quick via lawsuit.

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If Michael was such a pedophile, he would have gotten caught with such reckless behaviour. Someone would have talked.
Hard to do when your job is on the line and when you talk, you get fired and destroyed. Yet employees have. Meanwhile MJ admitted to giving these kids alcohol with his weird term Jesus juice. We're talking about a sick man, WHO WAS reckless because his desires were sick, out of control, and he had the money and power to get away with it. He witness tampered and paid off anyone, which brings out the blackmailers and con artists looking for a piece of the action too. He was a honey pot and an easy trap, just like his sick kids were to him.

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The police search in 2003 found no internet search history indicating pedophilia. It did find an interest in heterosexual porn.

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They found 1000s of searches for "kids in oprhanges" with 100s of photos being downloaded. Police believed these were used "to get himself off"

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Source?

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https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_files_on_Michael_Jackson

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Did you even read those links? lol

Here's some of my favorite bits from the Wikipedia one:

1.) These investigations occurred between 1993 and 2005 and in each allegation, the FBI found no evidence of criminal conduct on Jackson's behalf.

2.) The FBI meticulously went through all 16 hard drives and found nothing incriminating on them. The hard drives contained no form of illegal material, and the computer's history contained no record of accessing or searching for such material.

3.) In all these pages, hundreds of pages, many many hours of investigations ... there's not one scrap of evidence that Michael Jackson ever did anything wrong, committed any crime. It's almost a vindication, when you look at this. The FBI looked at all of these matters and said, 'There's nothing here.'

4.) In 2016, Radar Online alleged that child pornography was found in the 2003 raid of Jackson's properties, though Part 2 of the FBI files reveal no such evidence was found.

5.) Judge Melville, the presiding judge of Jackson's 2005 trial, also signed a press statement stating that no child pornography or anything illegal was ever found in Jackson's possession or on his properties.


Pretty much everything in that article is refuting allegations made against Jackson. And, comically, point 4 there is actually refuting the origins of your other source, haha.

As far as that other source goes, however (the parts I know are true), it wasn't much. Hence the FBI and judge's comments. Artsy books that can be purchased from Amazon. A plethora of straight, legal porn. A Gish Gallop of random stuff, shadily described and contextualized in ways designed to lead readers. I liked the part, for instance, where they lumped together 3 items in his search history to deceptively make it sound like they were related (i.e., putting one for adoption.com next to one for varsityteens.com lol).

Also, there was no mention (in either link) of the claim you made. Which was what you were asked to source.

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