What evidence did they have on him?
The woman who brought this thing to trial admitted that she willingly went into his house, willingly accepted a drink from him, and then blacked out. Is it possible that it was all in her head?
shareThe woman who brought this thing to trial admitted that she willingly went into his house, willingly accepted a drink from him, and then blacked out. Is it possible that it was all in her head?
shareI can't believe how stupid you CHOOSE to be and yet attack/insult mentally afflicted people. (Iv'e read your posts.) Put down the Kool Aid. Bill probably spiked it, too.
shareIt’s basically her word against Cosby though, that’s what I’m confused about. Maybe instead of hurling insults you could be a decent human being and show respect? Just a thought
shareIt’s basically her word against Cosby though,
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I didn't follow this thing closely but i'm not sure there was every any evidence presented. Just a ton of overwhelming testimony. I'm not saying he was innocent, but somebody decided to squash Cosby and his legacy for some reason. All them women didn't organize themselves.
shareI did follow this thing closely and I know that there was a ton of evidence presented by the prosecution and none by the defense.
There was no conspiracy to squash Cosby. There was Hannibal Burress who was sick and tired of Cosby putting down black people and so in his act he told people to Google: Bill Cosby Rape. And Google we did and it went viral. From there, dozens and dozens of women came forward with their stories, some of these women claiming to know that there were actually hundreds of women, not dozens. Mind you, by the time Burress did that bit, it had been almost ten years since the Constandt civil suit. Back in 2005 there were a couple of news articles that Cosby was being sued for sexual misconduct. At that time at least 13 women who saw those stories went out of their way to contact her attorney and say they were victims of the same M.O. These women didn't know each other and Constandt's story wasn't revealed. So the odds of them all coming up with the same story are astronomical. It's overwhelmingly obvious that they are telling the truth. They went on record in sworn testimony telling their stories for justice.
Plus there is the 2005 deposition in which he admitted to much of what he was being accused of.
Here is a broad article outlining the prosecution's closing argument:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/prosecutor-calls-out-con-man-cosby-for-laughing-in-closing-arguments
Here is an article that outlines the 2005 deposition.
https://qz.com/999028/bill-cosby-trial-excerpts-from-his-2005-and-2006-depositions/
Here's an article on all the defense could come up with to say all the people on the side of the prosecution were lying.
https://jezebel.com/bill-cosby-s-lawyers-every-woman-who-testified-is-a-ph-1825488218
Here is a clip of Buress' act that went viral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzB8dTVALQI
Here is a really funny clip of Eddie Murphy roasting Cosby. It's visuals are awful but it's the whole thing and totally worth checking out and waiting for the Cosby bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1PGPv_Q9sU
Check out the Raw bit on Cosby from back in the day too.
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There's not a single evidence.
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"At that time at least 13 women who saw those stories went out of their way to contact her attorney and say they were victims of the same M.O. These women didn't know each other and Constandt's story wasn't revealed. So the odds of them all coming up with the same story are astronomical. It's overwhelmingly obvious that they are telling the truth"
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The problem is that there's no actual evidence that this really happened, since they didn't testify officially until the original accusation was known.
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"Here is a broad article outlining the prosecution's closing argument:"
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Which again doesn't give a single evidence.
"The problem is that there's no actual evidence that this really happened, since they didn't testify officially until the original accusation was known."
That's wrong. Constandt's accusation was not known. All they knew was that he had been accused of sexual misconduct. They gave their stories separately, not knowing of each other's details, yet they were all the SAME. That right there, for a logical, intelligent, unbiased person, is proof.
You don't read thoroughly; which is the case with every single Cosby supporter I have come across.
You can all cry for a monster when he dies in prison.
Constandt's accusation was not known. All they knew was that he had been accused of sexual misconduct. They gave their stories separately, not knowing of each other's details, yet they were all the SAME.
Again. There's NO evidence of it. They didn't gave their stories to the Police before Constandt one was known.
So what you have is that somebody said that they gave similar stories before, but no evidence.
"Again. There's NO evidence of it. They didn't gave their stories to the Police before Constandt one was known."
Wrong. You don't know much about this case obviously. The 13 women who volunteered to come forward to support Constandt back in 2005 knew nothing about her case except that it involved sexual misconduct on Cosby's part. Did you not even read what I wrote? THEY KNEW NO DETAILS. They didn't know each other. They had read some article from Variety and The Hollywood Reporter and maybe a few others that said he was being sued for sexual misconduct. THAT'S ALL THEY KNEW.
Have you ever been involved in litigation? You can't talk about it. She didn't know those women. They came from all over the country and beyond. For your beliefs to be possible, she and her lawyers would have had to have gone out and somehow found 13 women, all who had been at one time, associated with Cosby somehow, told them what to say, and given them some motivation to say it. A lawyer would never do that. They could be disbarred. So Constandt, with her limited resources, did it all on her own to shake down Bill Cosby? And not one of these women, even the black women amongst them, felt the need to report this implausible possibility?
Then you've got the next 50 women who each went to news agencies or her lawyer, who also came forward with similar stories, never having heard Constandt's details? Constandt was by then under a gag order and the depos weren't unsealed until much later. Why did they do it? Only a few are suing him. Cindra Ladd is massively wealthy. She doesn't need more money and she's already very well known. If she wanted fame she could have hired a PR team decades ago. Why would she do that? To bring down a successful black man? This woman who devotes her time to philanthropic causes? And what about the other black women who accused him? What's in it for them? As far as I know, only one of the black women who accuses him is suing him.
Wrong. You don't know much about this case obviously.
Well, then show your knowledge.
Constand filed a civil suit in March 8, 2005. Which women gave the same story (and it's proven) before that date?
And by 'proven' I mean publicly, I mean Police, I mean keeping the testimony in a bank vault, whatever you want. But talking privately to some guy that later on says "sure, she said that to me", well, that doesn't count as 'proven'.
For the last time kuku, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS. All they knew was that a suit had been filed. THAT'S IT. THE DETAILS WEREN'T UNSEALED UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF 2015. By that time most, if not all of the accusers had already given their stories.
You just don't get it. You ignore what disproves your flimsy argument.
I'm done here. Good luck.
For the last time kuku, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS.
And again: you haven't given a single evidence of that.
By evidence, for example, I mean being proven that they gave their story BEFORE Constand filed the suit.
If that's proven, how is it proven, exactly?
Cosby had nearly unlimited resources. He hired the best defence teams he could find. They hire the best P. I.’s available to find out as much as possible about all witnesses. If there had been any links at all between Constadt and her attorneys and the 13 Jane Does or the 5 accusers from the retrial, trust me, they would have found those links. They actually found some lame email Constadt had forwarded for a friend and said it proved she was a con artist master minding a pyramid scam, lol! That’s how desperate they were! They had absolutely nothing on her character so they made stuff up. Of course you didn’t know any of this seeing as you didn’t follow the case.
shareGood lawyers can win a case against the evidence.
Are you suggesting that there's no evidence because Cosby has good lawyers? Seriously? Where did such lawyers studied? Hogwarts?
C'mon!!!
No, lol, I'm not suggesting that. What evidence are you referring to? Evidence that Constandt had been in touch with all the women who testified that he had sexually abused him?
I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Do you mean that Cosby had lawyers who studied at Hogwarts? Hogwarts doesn't have a law school.
● ❝What evidence are you referring to?❞
None. That's the point: there's no evidence. And that's not because of Cosby having good lawyers (unless they have magic powers). It's because there's no evidence. Period.
● ❝Do you mean that Cosby had lawyers who studied at Hogwarts? Hogwarts doesn't have a law school.❞
Hogwarts is a fictional college for wizards. It seems you didn't get the reference about lawyers having 'magic powers'.
"Are you suggesting that there's no evidence because Cosby has good lawyers?"
You still don't make that clear.
I was joking too about Hogwarts, duh.
You just don't get it. There is a mountain of evidence. Evidence comes in all forms. It can be forensic evidence like a fingerprint or semen. That is clearly the only evidence that counts to you. But see, here's the thing. It doesn't matter what counts to you. That's not the only form of evidence the law recognizes, nor in this case the jury. They were a rational, unbiased group of people who listened to THE EVIDENCE, and using common sense and reason came to the clear conclusion that Cosby was guilty of the crimes he was charged with.
But even if there was a rape kit you and others out there would still say she consented because hey, if a woman accepts a drink from you, or goes into your house, or smiles at you, or wears a tank top, hey that's consent where I come from...
There was lots of physical evidence that you don't know about or don't acknowledge as you are blathering on over something you didn't follow and are too lazy to research before running your mouth. Look up the recorded phone conversation with her mother and Cosby where he admits he is a dirty man and it took Andrea to stop him. Look up the 2005 depo where he says: "I don’t hear her say anything. And I don’t feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped." HE'S ADMITTING HE DIDN'T HAVE CONSENT. She was knocked out. She said she tried to stop him but her body was like jelly and she could barely move before she passed out cold. If you ever do read up on that depo you will see how cavalier he was about all of this behavior in question. You will learn that that was because he was promised that he would never be charged and the depo would be sealed so he didn't give a sh!t. He didn't admit to everything but he admitted to a lot; enough to get him convicted.
That's no evidence.
This is what he signed as part of a lawyer's deal to settle the suit. And that doesn't mean he meant it, it just mean that signing it was the best option. Problem with these political with-hunts is that they only search a political target. Cosby did the right thing signing this, regardless of whether he's guilty or innocent.
Watch 'Making of a Murderer' to understand why those deals are far from being any kind of evidence: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5189670/
Ah well.. too bad for kuku; the law disagrees. And Bill Cosby is guilty.
Thank you for your posts.
Yeap, I know. Law disagrees. Law doesn't always requires evidence. A while ago, Law sent quite a few witches to the fire. I don't think there were much evidence of those women being actually witches and flying on brooms, just some people accusing... but anyway, they knew they were doing the right thing!! :-) You don't let witches escape just because there's no damn evidence!! :-)
They did have evidence against Cosby.
share😂
So you're attempting to compare an impoverished 16-year-old with a low IQ, in a criminal case, with a multi-millionaire 80-year-old with a formidable legal team at his disposal, in a civil case?
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"Cosby did the right thing signing this, regardless of whether he's guilty or innocent."
Signing what?
So you do concede that Cosby may be guilty?
You keep referring to me. Again, and again, and again. No matter I don't answer you, because I don't use to answer to people who insult and harass, you keep insisting and harassing.
But this time I'm gonna answer you.
You ask whether I concede Cosby may be guilty. Of course. Everyone may be guilty, Cosby, you, me, what matters is the probability. And actually, right now, I'd say that it's more likely that you've raped somebody than Cosby did.
You don't accept that people can be not interested in talking with you. You keep insisting and you think that imposing yourself is the right thing to do. You think that you have the right to harass and insult. Indeed, you fit the profile of a textbook abuser.
May Cosby be a rapist? Naturely. So could be you. And indeed, you fit far better in that profile than Cosby.
Asking you a question is harassment? You have accused me of being a rapist. That’s harassment.
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<< Where did such lawyers study? Hogwarts? >>
And where did Kuku study law?
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You don't need to be a lawyer to know they have zero evidence, the same way you don't need to be a civil engineer to know there isn't any bridge in front of your house.
share"The heart of the case is the presentation of evidence. There are two types of evidence -- direct and circumstantial.
Direct evidence usually is that which speaks for itself: eyewitness accounts, a confession, or a weapon.
Circumstantial evidence usually is that which suggests a fact by implication or inference: the appearance of the scene of a crime, testimony that suggests a connection or link with a crime, physical evidence that suggests criminal activity.
Both kinds of evidence are a part of most trials, with circumstantial evidence probably being used more often than direct. Either kind of evidence can be offered in oral testimony of witnesses or physical exhibits, including fingerprints, test results, and documents. Neither kind of evidence is more valuable than the other."
How's that bridge in front of your house?
Wonderful.
The problem is that there's NEITHER circumstantial evidence. All you have is the accusation, and then the accusations of a bunch of girls, all of them officially done after the first one. None of them officially made (or at least recorded) the accusation before. And the accusation by itself is not circumstantial evidence.
Unless witch-hunt trials are the new judiciary standard, of course.
I have to conclude you either have no idea what the word evidence means, are ignorant of the evidence presented at trial, or you're trolling.
shareActually, I know enough to know that any admission done as part of a plea bargain has no value as evidence later on. It's just a deal, and the accused is not truly admitting anything, he's just accepting the offer.
Indeed, that has always been the problem with the Polansky case, for example: the judge offered a plea bargain which Polansky accepted. Later on he retracted but still wanted to use the admission. Consequence: Polansky has never been extradited to US and he'll never be, because that shows a highly disregard for legal guarantees.
Of course, back then that was just a rogue judge. That was then, now it seems that this Banana Court style is becoming the new standard in US.
China has advised its citizens to consider US as an unsafe and uncivilized banana Republic. It seems that judiciary system should start to be included in that description.
Actually, you know virtually nothing about the law or this case, or the 2005 case, which was a civil lawsuit, not criminal, in which there is no such thing as a plea bargain, except in certain cases in Georgia. Which is not where this case was tried, and would have no relevance anyway.
I just realised you're the same poster on an older thread who claimed none of the accusers came forward until 2014-2015, and therefore were only "jumping on the bandwagon." You cited this as being the "main problem" with this case.
EXCEPT, I proved you wrong, using the very same article you linked to, which proved 13 others came forward with their accusations, that preceded 2014-15 by a decade. On top of that, since no details of Constandt's case had been revealed, they had no way of knowing anything, except that the case was about sexual assault. And yet, Cosby's MO was uncannily similar in all the accusations.
So keep moving your goal posts. That surely makes your argument solid and you credible.
I contend that your very name identifies you as a troll, as if your posts don't speak for themselves on their own.
The deal being about a civil suit is irrelevant at its best. Worst case, it makes modern US look like a Banana Republic even more.
If there's a criminal case, it should have been prosecuted from the very beginning. Reaching a deal in a civil suit, and then taking the admission signed as a part of that deal to be used as 'evidence' (ahem) in a criminal case shows a lack of legal guarantees. That's pure Third World culture.
Again, there's a reason because Polansky is not handed to US: you don't send a guy to a country that lacks minimum legal guarantees. You don't extradite him to US for the very same reason you wouldn't extradite him to countries like Saudi Arabia or Zimbabwe.
EXCEPT, I proved you wrong, using the very same article you linked to, which proved 13 others came forward with their accusations, that preceded 2014-15 by a decade
There's no record or evidence that proves that those accusations were done before the Constandt suit.
You just keep on proving that you have no clue about the legal system, let alone what the difference between a civil and criminal case is.
Hoisting yourself by your own petard, you are.
I proved you wrong by the very link you provided, and yet you're still unable to admit it. Sorry, but you've blown your own credibility.
You just keep on proving that you have no clue about the legal system, let alone what the difference between a civil and criminal case is.
You keep ignoring the fact that it's irrelevant whether it's a civil or a criminal case since legal guarantees are the foundations of the WHOLE judiciary system.
Indeed, when Obama ruled that universities should use preponderance of (alleged) evidence instead of beyond the reasonable doubt (so much for the presumption of innocence), that was not even about civil or criminal cases... and still that made US go even further in its way towards being another Banana Latin-American country.
Because this is the thing: your attitude is a very common one in those countries. THIS IS A COMMON CULTURAL ELEMENT IN LATIN-AMERICAN CULTURES, now more and more widespread in US: they use to get into little pointless technicalities to avoid facing the lack of basic legal guarantees.
Of course, that takes a heavy toll in the development and wealth of the country. Poverty doesn't happen by chance. Decline doesn't happen by chance.
There is a reason for there being civil and criminal cases. They are not the same thing.
Cosby's deposition (depositions are legally sworn testimony) was not the result of a plea bargain. That's what you claimed, and that therefore it wasn't credible. You were wrong, once again.
You also claimed that none of his accusers made their allegations prior to 2014-15, so therefore the allegations were false because they were "jumping on the bandwagon" (according to you). I proved you wrong about that too.
THEN you claimed the problem was none of the Jane Does in the 2005 came forward with their real names. I proved they did.
Now you're going on about China and banana republics and who knows what else you'll drag into this as a straw man.
I'm sorry you don't like it that a serial rapist/sexual predator has been tried and convicted. Them's the breaks, kid.
I don't think he's trolling; I think he's ignorant. He passionately rants for Cosby's innocence. Maybe he raped someone who was passed out and he's railing to justify his sins.
shareYou're so silly. The evidence is right here for you in this thread but you ignore it because you just don't think rape is wrong maybe.
shareAnd what about all the people who came forward to say that, yes, back in the day she told me this happened? This includes the man who was a model in the 80's who came to NYC with another model who Cosby got to come over. He drugged her and she got to a phone before she passed out and called her friend who came over and got her before he could rape her. What was in it for him and all the others who came to back these women up?
And as for the old RAPE CULTURE STANDARD: Why did they wait so long to come forward? Look in the mirror. Rape culture was a thousand times worse back in the day and people like you are still bashing down rape victims and supporting the rapists. PLUS, Cosby was incredibly beloved as far back as the 60's. Who would believe them? You still don't, with all the evidence provided. PLUS, Cosby was hugely powerful. He was known in the industry for ruining people who got in his way.
It's clear that you people here on this thread just hate women, plain and simple, even if you are women.
I'm so glad the jury was made up of intelligent people who listened to the facts.
I have a ton of compassion for people with limited intelligence though, so good luck.
Believe women or you hate them?
Women lie. We don't have a rape culture. We have a fake rape culture. Of all criminal exonerations, almost half of them are for the crime of rape. The rape conviction rate plummeted when DNA usage became widespread. That mean there wasn't even sex. We had to enact rape shield laws to protect women from being charged with false reporting. We set lower standards of proof for rape cases. We punish rape more harshly than murder. The deck is stacked in favor of women because every man wants to protect women, and punish male competition.
That seems to be more your motivation. You obviously don't care at all that these women allowed Cosby to run free for so many years. You just want this as a culture war against Yes All Men. You don't love women. You hate people.
Have you ever been raped Thrillhouse? If yes, were any of the people who raped you people who you knew and trusted? Were you shocked? Were you confused? Did you try to forget it but you couldn't because you were having nightmares and feeling distressed and traumatized? If yes, at that time did you try to talk about it with someone? Did you decide not to at first and for a long, long time afterward because it was just too painful and humiliating? If you finally did talk about it to someone, did they just steamroll over you? Did they call you a liar? Or maybe they said you were asking for it. Or maybe they said that if you go over to a friend's house you are there for sex and if you get drugged and raped it's your fault for after all, men are just men. They can't help themselves.
Maybe one of the people who raped you was a big star who was known as America's Dad and this big star could squish you like a bug if you got in his way. Maybe you tried to keep all the pain, anger, sorrow, confusion, regret all bottled up until one day you just had to start telling people. Maybe you thought you were the only one who got raped by this person. But then one day some news stories broke and you found out all these other people had almost identical stories to yours. You realized that there's safety in numbers and people might actually believe you if you finally told the world what happened.
There's no rape culture? Read your own comments. They make a perfect manual for Rapist Sympathizers.
You didn't even follow this case. You just blather on and on about something you know nothing about and make up statistics along the way. Show your comments to your mother, your sister, your wife, your girlfriend if you have any of those. Let them know who you really are and what you really think of women.
hannibal buresse is a hero and a very funny comedian with a cool name
I usually assume innocent until proven guilty but there were so many women saying the same thing. Either all the women are lying or Cosby rapped a least on of them. What are the odds?
shareHe has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Evidence comes in many forms. Sworn testimony is a form of evidence to be considered. Innocent until proven guilty also applies to anyone testifying. Perjury is a punishable crime as well.
Plus, look at the 2005 depo where he’s stating that he purchased quualudes to get sex. He didn’t need to do that. He was already a huge star. But his thing is to knock a woman unconscious and take it, leaving her feeling confused and violated. He clearly gets off on violating women. He hates women. It’s all over his comedy. There’s the Spanish Fly bits, and equally disturbing, from one of his books, he’s laughing and bragging about knocking down little girls who crossed the field he was playing football on. They weren’t even in his way. He would go out if his way to knock these little girls down just for fun. I imagine these poor little girls in their dresses walking home from school getting slammed to the ground for no reason by a big teenage athlete. It makes me want to cry. As if they didn’t have it hard enough already being black and girls.
Anyway, there is no way possible that all of these women who didn’t know each other concocted the same story. Constadt didn’t know he would drug women for sex. So for anyone to say she cooked up this scheme to shake him down is absurd. Then add all the other women from 2005 who came forward, all separately and gave sworn testimony, each with the same story, not knowing each other, never having even met to corraberate. They had absolutely nothing to gain. They were all Jane Does. It was only after the 2014 Buress bit that some of them went public, and then more and more came out, he called them liars, so now some of them are suing for that.
I think most of the people who think he’s innocent just haven’t closely followed the story.
That’s a lot of hearsay and circumstantial evidence you provided. Where is the smoking gun? Is there footage of the sexual assaults taking place or maybe a hidden audio confession?
As for the amount of women coming forward I’m not impressed, we know that when women wait years before coming forward that it’s usually BS enlightbof the “me too” movement that’s swept the nation.
“we know that when women wait years before coming forward that it’s usually BS enlightbof the “me too” movement..”
Do we also “know” that the Earth is flat and it was created in a few days? How truly ignorant that statement is, not to mention cold and unsympathetic.
Remember Dr. Barbara Ziv’s testimony from the retrial? Oh, sorry, right. You didn’t follow the trial. Here it is for you to prattle on against science.
https://www.thelily.com/the-bill-cosby-trial-touches-on-common-rape-myths/
This was exactly the issue with the McMartin PreSchool trial. The prosecution had over 100+ children accusing seven members of the McMartin/Bucky family of any number of crimes. The problem was, no proof. They claimed Satanic rituals were happening every day, animals being killed, blood drunk, and carcasses buried all over the property of the school. Tunnels under the school that led to Dodger Stadium where the LA Dodgers and Tommy LaSorda took part in the rituals wearing hoods and cloaks, and babies being sacrificed and their blood drunk. Where did it all go wrong? A zealous defense attorney who looked into the techniques used to interview the kids and how the team used to do the interviewing were all in the pay of the prosecution. Next up: No proof of any animal bones, baby bones or tunnels buried or anything under the property except for one storage room on the basement level where desks, easels, and other school-related stuff was stored. So now because of a bunch of zealous prosecutors over 100+ adults now believe they were molested/raped by these members of the McMartin/Bucky family and nothing anyone says to them makes them believe any different.
So now we move onto the Canadian case of former CBC broadcaster Jian Ghomeshi where three women accused him of sexual improprieties. Ghomeshi chose a bench trial and in his not guilty verdict, Judge William Horkins referred to the collusion between the three women at the heart of the case of having lied...no PERJURED themselves on the stand in order to "get" Ghomeshi. None of these women have been charged for perjury, rather they're celebrated as "brave" women who were "abused" and "used" by Ghomeshi. This despite the fact Ghomeshi had a ton of emails, texts, and other proof of ongoing relationships with each of these women beyond the point where they said their "abuse" happened. The end of the story is this, Ghomeshi lost his job, reputation, money, and much, much more and these women are still called "brave" for having "endured" Ghomeshi's abuse. These women were destroyed on the stand by Ghomeshi's attorney Marie Heinen, yet they still get to be called "brave".
Ironically when Constand took her story to Dateline NBC, those who commented on the show's Facebook page on the episode came out steadfastly against her. I'd say the amount of disdain for her was at about 75%.
He has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Do they let you get online at the loony bin or are you just messing around? Bill Cosby was not convicted???
Bill Cosby was convicted on three counts of sexual assault by a jury on April 26th.
I only heard of the mistrial. If I was mistaken I don't mind being corrected but you doin't need to insult me.
Then you haven't been following the news. He has been convicted, beyond a reasonable doubt, by a jury. Sentencing has yet to happen.
shareYour a little late to the party I already read up on the conviction.
shareyippee yeaaaa!!!
shareI didn't mean to insult you crc32. It's odd though that you would end up on this thread not knowing of BC's conviction.
How did that happen? I'm asking in earnest.
Truth is I don't follow celebrity news much but was following this one. The news I did hear was that a mistrial was declared then poof nothing else. The mistrial was allegedly due to most of the jury declaring not guilty but one lone juror held out so the jury was hung. The news I see is usually about acusations with no follow through on convictions. Well the allegations make headlines while the conviction or acquittals get placed down in the entertainment section of the news stories. An area I don't normally read. I came to this thread because cosby was in the trending section.
shareNo, the mistrial was due to two jurors who would not vote guilty. All the others wanted a conviction. One of the jurors who voted not guilty spoke to a news agency and said he thought she went over there for sex because one time Cosby had seen her in a top that showed her abs.
shareThats strange how the story is turned around in my memory.
shareAre you seeing a psychiatrist?
share He we go again with the insults. I'm kinda done with this thread actually. I've already conceded that I was misinformed.
"Thats strange how the story is turned around in my memory."
That comment seems to me, to come from a person who is psychologically incoherent.
I don't mean to insult you. You just come across as mentally ill to me and I wish you the best.
I miss read one fucking article and your trying to equate that to mental illness. Your just not qualified to even suspect that from a singular misread of an news article. Best of luck to you with your rush to judgment with the people around you during daily dialog despite evidence your inductive reasoning is majorly flawed.
shareI was joking. When you first posted that Cosby had not been convicted I thought you were messing around. Then when you said you just hadn't heard about the conviction I thought you weren't. Then when you said something like: "I don't know how that got turned around in my mind," I thought you were being sarcastic and I was back to thinking you were trolling. Apparently I was wrong. Sorry about that.
sharePerjury is not a punishable crime for the prosecution which has legal immunity and is known to lie. Prosecutors are infamous for lying and faking evidence to get harsh sentences for poor criminals and even when exposed do not even get disbarred.
Fraudulent rape accusations are also specifically not punished. There was a woman who put a men on trial ten times before they finally gave her a slap on the wrist and they were reluctant to do it.
Perjury is a crime for witnesses and that’s who I was referring to. His defence team isn’t perusing charges because they know the witnesses are telling the truth.
shareWho was that woman?
shareWow he's an idiot then, obviously she would have had sex with him without the drugging.
shareOh well, too bad for you both. A jury of his peers disagreed. You should go visit him in jail.
shareDid they disagree? They agreed he drugged and raped her, but not that she was probably up for consensual sex before that time. She probably went back to his place so they could work on her taxes.
shareYou're funny. In one post you make a sarcastic remark that suggests that Bill Cosby, international superstar, felt he needed to drug women to get sex.
Then, in your next post you say that even though she supposedly went over there for sex, he drugged and raped her anyway. You make no sense.
Additionally, you clearly know next to nothing about this case. Actually, she went over there to talk about her career. Not as boring as taxes, but still pretty tame. He was mentoring her. That's what he did to a lot of these women. He talked about her career not only with her, but with parents, as he did with others. Did you know she's gay? She's not even into men, so why would she want sex from him?
And FYI, just because a woman goes over to a friend's house, and that friend is a man, it does not in any way suggest that she's there to get laid. They had even discussed on the phone why she was going there. Are you writing from the time machine of a hundred years ago?
You really should do some research. I've been following this story since it broke in October of 2014 and I have read at least one article on every single major development.
And even IF she had gone over there with sex on her mind, which I guarantee, she had not, drugging and raping her is still DRUGGING AND RAPING HER. THOSE ARE CRIMES.
And did you even bother to read my entire post from earlier? When all of those women came forward, the ones back in 2005 went to her lawyer and were interviewed individually and never met each other until over ten years later. The details of her case were secret. All they knew was that he was being sued for sexually misconduct. They didn't know the details. And then, after Buress, the next 50+ women went to news agencies and the details were still A SECRET. It wasn't until WAAAAYYYYYY after this army of accusers had all gone public with their own details that the depo was exposed. Do you understand this???
{And FYI, just because a woman goes over to a friend's house, and that friend is a man, it does not in any way suggest that she's there to get laid. They had even discussed on the phone why she was going there. Are you writing from the time machine of a hundred years ago? }
Cosby didn't exist 100 years ago and therefore if I was from the past, I would not know of him. Case Closed.
"And even IF she had gone over there with sex on her mind, which I guarantee, she had not, drugging and raping her is still DRUGGING AND RAPING HER. THOSE ARE CRIMES."
You're agreeing with me yes? I came out strongly against rape and drugging and I still believe it is wrong.
"Then, in your next post you say that even though she supposedly went over there for sex, he drugged and raped her anyway. You make no sense."
He makes no sense, if a woman showed up to his apartment for drinks why does he need to drug and rape?
"Actually, she went over there to talk about her career."
My apologies, I have no frame of reference here. I have never been asked over to a woman or a man's apartment to talk about my career. If someone asked me to do that a red flag would pop up in my brain and I'd probably bring a friend with me because that sounds like bullsh%t. It's hard to believe women are so naive.
The more I hear about Cosby the less I like him, too bad he won't do real jail time because of his fame and age.
They didn't show up there for drinks, but even if they had, why would showing up for drinks = automatically mean agreeing to have sex?
Have you never agreed to have a few drinks with one of your male buddies? Perhaps even to the point of being blotto? If you agreed to having a few drinks with one of your male buds, let alone if that person had pretended to be a mentor and father figure to you, would any red flag wave at you, or would you just assume things were as your friend/mentor of 3-4 years presented them to be?
Would you *really* feel it necessary to bring a friend along under those circumstances? Sorry, I just don't buy that.
No one except Cosby, and possibly not even him considering how deep his denial appears to go, knows why he felt the need to drug and sexually assault or rape these women.
I agree with you it's too bad he's probably going to go without punishment because of his age, and celebrity.
And actually, the jury made a public group statement saying that they had found her to be a credible witness. Do you know what that means? Ok, I'll tell you. It means they BELIEVED WHAT SHE SAID. And being in contrast to what he said, they believed he lied.
So you are wrong. They did not think she went over there for sex.
How old are you?
She went over there to trade sex for career advancement and got mad at Cosby after it didn't work out. Women use sex. This woman is an abuser, because society allows it.
shareJury’s often get it wrong though, just look at the OJ trial.
shareIt means that all of these 60+ women, who all told their stories separately from each other, without knowing any details about Constandt or the others all had THE SAME STORY. There is no way they could have all come up with the same story! Most of them all had very similar experiences. The differences were names, dates, and places.
Did you read the articles I provided to you? I know you didn't.
The 60+ women you mention are all liars, every last one of them. You know how I know this? It’s because they waited until after the first accusation came out and jumped on the “let’s get famous bandwagon”.
As for the original accusation, she admitted to willingly entering the house and accepted a drink from him which is consent where I come from. I understand that she regretted giving consent after the fact but Bill didn’t really commit any crime based on the weak evidence I’ve heard.
Where you come from? Oh, I see. You come from prison. When you see Bill offer him a drink. If he accepts it then you are free to rape him and I hope you do.
shareWhere's the rape kit?
shareOh right. If there's no rape kit it didn't happen and no one in the world is capable of using common sense and logic to see the obvious.
So I guess before rape kits, there had never been a single rape in the history of the human race.
Believe me officer, I paid for those, I just forgot to get a receipt!
shareAccepting a drink is consent? You're nuts!
shareWomen are not naive. Going over to his house late at night to drink with him and ask him for help with career advancement is prostitution the same as Hollywood casting couch.
This is the whole reason women do drugs so they can tell themselves they are innocent and just living out rape fantasies.
Spoken like a true psychopathic rapist.
shareLots of MRM nutjobs on this thread.
shareRight? It’s scary. They hear Cosby was found guilty and get a hint of why and get all up in arms, never bothering to educate themselves on the facts. But what’s truly frightening is that it upsets them bc they see themselves in him and feel the need to justify his behaviour in order to justify themselves.
shareYes of course. Every little girl dreams of becoming famous for being raped. Now that’s glory.
What about the Jane Does from 2005 who never came forward, never sued him, who's identity’s we still don’t know? hmmmmm???? What about them?
"The 60+ women you mention are all liars, every last one of them. You know how I know this? It’s because they waited until after the first accusation came out and jumped on the “let’s get famous bandwagon”.
PepperminHippo, you still haven't answered my question.
Why did the anonymous Jane Doe's from the 2005 civil suit come forward to testify under oath against Bill Cosby?
They don't want fame. They don't want money.
What do they want? Why would they go to such trouble? Why would they risk their freedom? Perjury is a crime.
60 women actually makes it harder to believe because ai cannot believe that they all kept quiet for decades. That is conspiracy theory. Even if they were rapped, I think they should be put in jail for aiding and abetting a serial rapist by keeping quiet about it all these years.
sharetry google. oh, wait. it wasn't an honest question, you just wanted to defend a rapist, without any arguments. silly me.
shareAh! Those old fascist times when the ones that accused were supposed to be the ones that argued to prove it, they're sadly gone :-(
share"Those old fascist times when the ones that accused were supposed to be the ones that argued to prove it, they're sadly gone"
i recommend to you: the derek zoolander center for kids who cant read good and want to learn how to do other stuff good too.
oh, and google.... and interpunction.
So I point out that the burden of proof is on the accuser, and you suggest that I should go to some Reedukation Center.
Nice times XDDDDDDD
"So I point out"
the only think you pointed out is that you are not interested in the evidence. personally i am very conservative, when it comes to rape. you are obviously liberal on that matter. fucking libtard.
"Reedukation"
me not speak english so good.
"NICE times"
ah, obviously not even an american. stay out of my country, commie fuck.
"personally i am very conservative"
I don't doubt that. SJW is the dominant ideology right now, so obviously SJWs, who want to 'conserve' it, side in the conservative side.
"me not speak english so good"
Study harder.
"stay out of my country, commie fuck"
Tip: if you wanna play the Usual Republican, don't use the ones portrayed in modern movies and series as a model. You sound like a SJW bad movie (AKA SJW standard movie).
"I don't doubt that. SJW is the dominant ideology right now, so obviously SJWs, who want to 'conserve' it, side in the conservative side."
in english please.
"Tip: if you wanna play the Usual Republican, don't use the ones portrayed in modern movies and series as a model. "
look borat, i understand that you don't have the ability to watch many american movies where you come from, in cinemas, but there are ways to get those through different channels, nowadays. ;)
"You sound like a SJW bad movie (AKA SJW standard movie)."
hahahaha. what? "itsaaaaaniiiiceeeee", right? i got an "ace of base" t-shirt laying here, from my teenage years. that shit is hot in your country right now, right? "rhythm is a danceeeeeeer".
So after playing the Bad-Movie-Republican Parody, you finally reached the insulting phase.
Nothing new, just another SJW.
"So after playing the Bad-Movie-Republican Parody"
in english, please. if you are able to, borat.
"itsaaaaaniceeeee", right?
if you are able to, borat
And more insults...
hahahaha. seriously, what does this mean: "So after playing the Bad-Movie-Republican Parody"? i mean except from "itsaaaaaaaniceeeee". let me know, borat. i would love to know. it would be "sooooniiicceeee".
shareIt’s not my job to provide evidence of a negative, I wasn’t there in the bedroom with Bill Cosby and [insert female accuser here] so how should I know? What is google gonna tell me? Probably some Liberal spinster lie but who knows.
shareoh, so all conersatives are pro-rape now? i beg to differ.
yeeeah, who in their right mind would research something, if they expect an honest answer? so stupid. fucking libtards, expecting facts and shit.
What evidence? This is a “he said” vs a “she said” case. Cosby gave her party pills and she willingly took them knowing the consequences....until she regretted it later and cried rape. It’s not such a cut a dry case but I could see how Cosby thought he had the consent to have sex with her.
shareParty pills??? You’re just making sh!t up. Cosby claimed they were Benadryl but he told her they were herbal. Of course you didn’t know that since you know nothing about the case. So if you think you have the right to rape someone because they ingest anything at all they you give them, well then, consider yourself a rapist. The law does.
shareMore proof that you didn’t follow the case. Constadt was never in a bedroom with him.
Spinster? You actually used that word? More misogyny from you and you’re so entrenched in it you can’t see yourself.
Cosby admitted to giving them sedatives. If you fuck them afterwards, I'm pretty sure that is a no-no. Maybe not in Alabama or something, but in most civilized places.
shareCosby admitted to giving them sedatives. If you fuck them afterwards, I'm pretty sure that is a no-no. Maybe not in Alabama or something, but in most civilized places.
Quaaludes were the most popular drug in 70s-80s Hollywood, and unless they came walking by themselves, at least one in any couple that used them had to bring it and give to his/her partner.
So basically your sentence applies to most of Hollywood back then.
Do you see anybody else hunted down?
So it seems that giving Quaaludes to your partner is not a problem. The problem is that Cosby dared to enter the political debate... in the wrong side.
"Quaaludes were the most popular drug in 70s-80s Hollywood, and unless they came walking by themselves, at least one in any couple that used them had to bring it and give to his/her partner. "
so was heroin, ergo everyone injected that into their partner with it, right?
so was heroin, ergo everyone injected that into their partner with it, right?
In English, please.
in YOUR "english"? sure: "itsaaaaaaniceeeeee".
sharein YOUR "english"? sure: "itsaaaaaaniceeeeee".
Whatever.
hey, there is no shame in admitting that your eastern european ass is not able to do so. actually it is kinda "niiiiceeeeeeee". fucking libtard. come to iowa, we stand our ground. i mean, if you are able to get a visa. which admittedly, would be kinda "iiiitsaniiiiceeeee".
btw, are you still refusing to take in refugees, after you have sucked those fuckers from the european union dry to fix your fucking shitty single lane roads? we got 3 to 4 lanes over here, all squeeky clean you jealous commie piece of shit. hahahaha.
You're boring, dude. You're a SJW troll pretending to be an American Right winger, but as usual, you just sound like a bad parody.
Whatever.
hahahaha, it's so funny considering that this accusation comes from an eastern european women without any conviction or backbone whatsoever, getting payed 1/4000 of my hourly pay per post here. itsaaaaaniceeeee. and the funniest thing is, that you will reply to me, even if i only post "ghgjhgkjhjjjhjk", but hey if that's helping to you to for a actual cow milk after the 8000th post, that's ok with me. i love to help. that's just how nice i am. rhythm is a dance, but hey, who am i telling that? hahahaha.
sharehahahaha, it's so funny considering that this accusation comes from an eastern european women without any conviction or backbone whatsoever, getting payed 1/4000 of my hourly pay per post here. itsaaaaaniceeeee. and the funniest thing is, that you will reply to me, even if i only post "ghgjhgkjhjjjhjk", but hey if that's helping to you to for a actual cow milk after the 8000th post, that's ok with me. i love to help. that's just how nice i am. rhythm is a dance, but hey, who am i telling that? hahahaha.
Holy shit. You're nuts.
Qualudes are fine, I have no problem with drugs,but I doubt the attitude was "hey,can I have some quaaludes,and then could you fuck me while I'm passed out?" I like Cosby and happen to share his political views,but it sounds like he suffered from a typical Hollywood elitist mindset that lets them feel the rules don't apply.
shareSome real evidence of her passing out? Or are we again with the "she said that...".
shareYou're a rediculous troll. Unless bill video taped it, what evidence would you expect? I'm done dignifying your feigned ignorance.
shareI don't think kuku is a troll. I think that, even if he believes Cosby is guilty he passionately believes that he should walk because there was not the type of physical evidence he thinks matters.
shareI do. First there's his name -- kuku = coocoo = cuckoo = nuts = troll.
Then, a month or so ago he posted saying the main problem in this case was NO accuser came forward prior to 2014-2015, and therefore they were only jumping "on the bandwagon" which proved their allegations were false. Which is no proof anyway. even if what he said was true, which it wasn't, and I proved to him quoting the article in the very link he'd supplied 😂
Now he's saying there was no evidence, based on ... well, nothing.
This is exactly how a troll behaves.
I see your point. I don't think he's a troll because I think even in his ignorance he believes in what he's saying as opposed to some goof ball who is just messing around.
shareI hope you don't really mean nuts = troll... 😢
sharekuku! You didn't answer my question about the Jane Does from 2005 who are still anonymous who came forward to testify under oath that Cosby had drugged and raped them. What's in it for them? They're not suing, they don't want fame.
Taking down a successful black man? What if they're black?
kuku! You didn't answer my question about the Jane Does from 2005 who are still anonymous who came forward to testify under oath that
You're right. I didn't.
You have been insulting me. Of course, this is internet and you're free to insult. So am I free to ignore those who insult.
But it seems that that's not enough, is it?. You have kept referencing me, and here you come again. Not only you insult me, you demand that I pay attention. If I ignore you, you're here again to require my attention.
QUITE INTERESTING HOW SJW VIRTUE-SIGNALLERS THAT LIKE TO WITCH-HUNT SOME ALLEGED ABUSER... THEY THEMSELVES USE TO BE QUITE A BUNCH OF HARASSERS
Who'd thought of it!
How did I insult you?
"QUITE INTERESTING HOW SJW VIRTUE-SIGNALLERS THAT LIKE TO WITCH-HUNT SOME ALLEGED ABUSER... THEY THEMSELVES USE TO BE QUITE A BUNCH OF HARASSERS"
The above is gibberish.
SJW is something I only got wind of from this very thread. You are discrediting the jury of Cosby's peers who sat and listened to testimony and found him guilty.
What convinces you so that Cosby never drugged and raped a woman? The writing is on the wall. If you don't think rape is wrong then just admit that to yourself. Don't prattle on over a convicted rapist's innocence.
kuku! You still haven't answered my question about the Jane Does from 2005 who are still anonymous who came forward to testify under oath that that Cosby had drugged and raped them. What's in it for them? They're not suing, they don't want fame.
Why? Explain kuku. Explain.
Those pills are Party pills though, right? What did she think they were for? If she thought it was Tylenol then she’s dumber than a rock, I just don’t buy that at all lol.
shareAlcohol is a party drug, would you fuck an unconscious person if they were drunk?
shareAlcohol is sometimes a casual drug in which you go to the bar and unwind, it’s not always for party purposes so it requires a higher level of consent. Apples and Oranges!!!!
shareCan't help but notice you sidestepped an easy question: Would you fvck an unconscious person if they were drunk, whether the reason they were unconscious was as a result of over-consuming alcohol, or any other drug? Or not.
Quaaludes were not a casual drug. They were a prescription drug, originally intended to be used for insomnia, or as tranquilisers. Alcohol requires no prescription; the only restriction on it is by age, 18-21, depending on where you live.
I also notice you assumed those who Cosby drugged prior to sexually assaulting or raping them knew what it was he was offering.
If it was a stranger then of course I wouldn’t, that would be rape. But if it was a female friend who willingly came over to my house, drank romantic wine, and accepted party pills and a back rub....That’s much closer to consent.
Cosby only had sex with the accuser who took him to court.....all the other accusations were made up and not true.
WTH is "romantic wine"?
You're invited to a male's friend's house and they offer you wine or scotch. Whatever. You accept. Does that make it "romantic wine" or "romantic scotch" and therefore, even if you pass out, it means you wanted and consented to sex with them?
Are you mad?
Right, Cosby only had sex with the accuser who took him to court. Even though he admitted to buying 7 prescriptions of quaaludes to give to women with whom he wanted to have sex, and has admitted -- under oath -- to having sex with many more women than she.
Men and women don’t drink wine casually together, it’s only in a romantic setting or way.
I never said that Cosby didn’t have sex in general, just that he never raped any of the women who came forward.
Oh, now I see where you're (coming) from. From one of your earlier posts:
"As for the original accusation, she admitted to willingly entering the house and accepted a drink from him which is consent where I come from."
So if you go over to the house of a man you've known for 3-4 years, willingly enter, and accept a drink, if he rapes you, that's okay because you gave him consent. Got it.
Actually you said this: "Cosby only had sex with the accuser who took him to court.....all the other accusations were made up and not true." Which isn't true, by Cosby's own admission. In other words, you're wrong.
Not even going to touch the "romantic wine, men and women don't casually drink wine together" part because it's laughable.
Cosby never admitted to raping anyone so you’re talking out of your ass again.
You don’t seem to understand how evidence works. “Hearsay” isn’t evidence, women waiting decades to come forward isn’t evidence.
Can you name a single piece of tangible evidence that can be verified? If not then I hope some bimbo you used to know from the 90’s comes forward and falsely accuses you of rape, maybe see how you like it ehhh.
"Cosby never admitted to raping anyone so you’re talking out of your ass again."
Straw man. I never said he did. Feel free to point out where I've ever "talked out of my ass," let alone "again."
It's evident you're the one who doesn't understand what evidence and hearsay are. Just so you know, hearsay isn't allowed in court; there are specific rules against it. Are you trying to say Cosby's defense team was so bad, they allowed hearsay in as evidence?
Janice Dickinson's allegation of Cosby raping her was verified by her publisher. When she wrote about it in her 2002 book, the publisher made her take it out because they feared litigation from Cosby. Dickinson was very angry about it, which the publisher also testified to.
Since I've never raped or sexually assaulted anyone, I'm not at all worried. You, on the other hand, who believe anyone who enters another's house and accepts a drink is therefore giving consent to sex, you have plenty of reason to worry ;)
OMG I just saw this and Catbookss I am going to touch it BECAUSE it is so laughable.
Ok sorry, I have nothing. But it is so LAUGHABLE.
Just so I'm clear: If I drink wine with a man he is entitled to rape me?
That's right, Charlotte. Because you'd be drinking romantic wine, and if you drink romantic wine, you're consenting to sex! Duh, everyone knows that!
shareROMANTIC WINE. This has got to become a thing. Romantic wine..
Who the heck came up with that? Pepperminthippo? Thrillhouse? Kuku?
I picture them drinking moonshine out of a bucket on the bayou and when they hear "wine" they think romance.
"if a female goes about there drinkin' the wine well then, they musta wanna get the ... well gull darn it, I lost my train a thought.."
Lol, women and men OFTEN just hang out together as friends. Often at each others' places, and often imbibing wine. I've had male best friends my whole life. If there was ever any romantic confusion, we'd discuss it, not assume it.
I hope you experience the greatness of opposite gender friendships.
🙂
Did your male “best friend” give you a known party drug and did you willingly accept it? Did he massage your back and whisper things into your ear?
Think about it would ya!
Benadryl, the known party drug! Presented as an herbal remedy, but let's never mind that, and the fact that there was no back massage and whispering into ears.
But who cares, right? Let's just make stuff up! Facts don't matter.
#benadrylthepartydrugofthe70s!
#romanticwineforthewin!
Mang, my male friends and I do get up to not much good, but it never involved rape. Even accidentally. 😅
One gave me a Xanax once. Because I was anxious as all fuck and wasn't getting any help at the time. But he told me to take it when I was at home. Had any of my friends given me a hectic drug, they'd still not take advantage. In fact, if I am ever in trouble I HAVE UNCONDITIONAL BACKUP
and so do they.
I have the best friendships with men. I'm a bit wild abd crazy and they like that. They don't appear to want to ruin that.
Gotten PLENTY back rubs and given a few shoulder rubs in my time. Not a one became sexual.
I do feel that there's an element out there in the world that WANTS men and women at each others' throats. I won't fall for that. Ever. Seen too much good in nen to believe they would all consider raping passed out women. It's not inherent in them or I'd have seen it by now.
Of course not every man or woman is a decent human being, but that's just the way of the world. Some people are just bad news, but that's no gender's fault.
I reiterate : I've had men as best friends my whole life. And I'm not 20 anymore.
More proof that you are just running your mouth about something you know nothing about. Cosby admitted to have sex with several of the women who accused him. He said it was consensual bc hey, if you knock someone unconscious and they don't say no, well that's consent in his book.
shareThese guys have sidestepped so many of my questions too!
shareI'm a little ignorant here, she took pills Cosby handed her? He didn't slip it in her drink?
shareYes he handed her the pills after she willingly went into his house and they were drinking some romantic wine or something.
shareSo she is retarded or she was into it. There is only so far the naive explanation can go, good thing he didn't hand her a noose.
shareSo if a friend offers you a supposedly innocuous remedy for your discomfort if you don’t assume your friend is doing it to rape you then you are naive?
shareConstand had known him for 3-4 years at this point, and he'd presented himself as a mentor to her, as he did with many others.
Let's say there was someone you know, whom you'd known for 3-4 years, who'd presented themself to you as a mentor and friend. He invited you over to his house, which he'd done before.
You tell him you've been suffering from insomnia and tension. He offers you an "herbal" pill that will help you relax. Do you have any sane reason to believe he's going to give you something that will knock you out, and will then sexually assault you?
Would this be stupidity and naïveté on your part, or would it be normal behaviour?
Catbookss... I've been trying for days in this heat to get through to these guys. T'aint never gonna happen.
It's sad and scary and weird. They really do truly believe that if a woman is friends with a man and goes into his house or accepts a drink from him or wears a tank top in front of him or any such thing they feel is fine for men to do, then she is consenting to sex and if she refuses then rape is A OK.
And then there are the nut jobs going on about how men don't have equal rights.
It's a creepy world.
Charlotte, there's no reasoning with the unreasonable.
How DARE these here womensfolk, getting so uppity and claiming they don't want to be raped or sexually assaulted no mo'! They're all SEXISTS!
I think that whole mens rights movement appeals to a lot of young men who feel cheated out of the entitlement that men are slowly losing. They don't care about equality, they just want more for themselves.
shareCat, we’s not dealin’ with the sharpest tools in the shed in these here parts.
sharetheyss all sexizt iz rahht
they musta bin drinkin' that thur #romanticwine
I love how you spelled naïveté.
share
<< Yes he handed her the pills after she willingly went into his house and they were drinking some romantic wine or something. >>
Considering the fact that Andrea Constand is a lesbian, and was even in a relationship with another woman at the time of this event, I don't think she and Cosby were drinking some "romantic" wine together.
.
She’s probably a bisexual but that’s beside the point. What did she think was gonna happen? They play scrabble for 2 hours and then just go home? Nobody is buying that story.
share"She is probably a bisexual.." Why would you assume that?
"What did she think was going to happen?"
He was her mentor. What she thought was going to happen was that he was going to give her some advice. If you can't fathom that and the only thing you can imagine in the scenario is a filthy rape, then you have a filthy, rapist mindset.
She went over there for comfort from a trusted friend. The jury bought it and most of them were men.
shareThe problem with most women is that they’re gullible as hell and whenever they make a stupid decision (which is quite often) they always play the victim card. If they want to start earning the same as men and getting the same recognition as men then they need to start “Manning up” by taking responsibility of their life and to stop playing the victim card.
shareCookie, you're vastly underrating The Power of The Cos.
Don't you know he's such a hunka hunk of burning hot manhood he can TURN a lesbian?!
PLUS! #romanticwine
Of course! It's often said that rape is about power. That seems fairly obvious. I think men who rape are just intimidated little boys who are in awe of women.
share#ROMANTICWINE
#kneeslappinglaughingmyassoff
He gave her the pills to relax bc she was stressed out. She asked if they were herbal and he said yes, they’re you’re friends. The prosecutor put that on a sign in huge letters for the jury.
THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS.
So no. He didn’t slip that one a mickey.
Birds of a feather. I'm not into the drug culture. So when a friend or stranger hands me pills I don't just scarf them down. Not to mention how close do you really think Cosby and this woman were? How many years were they friends? How many times had he handed her pills to try? I could sympathize with a mickey, but the fact that he hands her pills and she takes them makes me think they were partying.
"THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS. "
Sounds like drug talk to me.
I can see that. It does sound creepy and now that you mention it, a bit druggy. But neither of them claimed it was a party and he wasn’t doing any drugs. There was no disagreement on that. They both said the pills were to help her relax.
I’ve taken pills from friends for cramps and never saw the bottle they came from. That’s how he knocked out Janice Dickenson to rape her.
I don’t know how long they were friends but he was friends with her family, not just her. She saw him as a trusted family friend, a father figure.
What is so unusual about that?
You have a headache. You've gone to a friend's house, someone you've known for 3-4 years. You tell them you have a headache, and they offer you what you believe to be an aspirin, because you have no reason to believe otherwise. Do you take it?
shareThis is quite a serious accusation and you would need to prove it.
shareIt's a serious accusation to pose a scenario where a friend offers you an aspirin if you tell them you have a headache, and ask what you'd do?
shareHaha! It's fun to argue with kuku. Even if there was a video of Cosby pinning her down while she screamed and tried to fight him off, kuku would say: "you can't prove that she wasn't into it and that they weren't role playing."
kuku, I'm going to share a story with you that I'm quite certain will make you feel better.
My friend used to be a managing nurse in a nursing home. One day she walked into a patient's room who was a very old man with severe dementia. Two of her nurse's assistants were masturbating him and laughing. She reported it and when it went to trial my friend had to testify as the one and only witness. There was no video, and the case wasn't investigated by the police until any physical evidence was long gone. I don't remember why.
This was a they said - she said situation. All they had was my friend's testimony. The two women denied it and said my friend was lying. But the jury believed my friend and the women went to prison.
There. You see? Feel better now?
<< One day she walked into a patient's room who was a very old man with severe dementia. Two of her nurse's assistants were masturbating him and laughing. >>
And yet, really, who amongst us has NOT taken part in such a madcap scenario?
It's strange they were able to find an impartial jury...!
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Of course. As if a hard working nurse would go out of her way to make up such a thing.
As if this army of 60+ women and all the men and women who back them up would go out of their way to make up such stories about Cosby.
But wait! There's no physical evidence so there is no way Cosby raped anybody! (But of course we know that there is).
There is no physical evidence that the sun rose this morning so I guess it didn't! There are videos but who is to say they weren't forged?
There is zero evidences! There is zero evidences!
Again, you didn’t follow the trial or you would know that quualudes had nothing to do with the Constadt case.
He wouldn’t tell her mother what they were. Probably bc he needed time to look up some OTC pills the same colour as the knock out drugs he gave her. He only much later claimed they were Benadryl.
So she is dumb as a rock for not assuming her trusted friend would knock her unconscious and rape her.
So your claim is that all men are rapists and will rape every single chance they get.
Guys? Is that true? Are you all rapists? If you are then I am also dumb as a rock.
Social justice warriors are not dumb as rocks, they are just opportunists. A woman's word is not evidence.
shareWrong again. What about the men’s words?
You seem like you are about 13. Nothing wrong with that!
Your response is "No, you!" and you say I sound 13? Nobody believes a man's word. We believe innocent until proven guilty. You want to maintain special privlidge for women.
shareThrillhouse! Where've you been?
Take me back. What are you saying about "no, you"?
What makes you think I want to maintain special privilege for women? What privileges exactly do you think I expect for women?
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#romanticwine #zeroevidences!
I've wondered about that. Why did he play so coy with Constandt's mother on the phone, refusing to simply answer her question about what it was he gave Andrea? Why the cloak and daggers "I'll write it down on a piece of paper and send it to you?"
If it was Benadryl, why not just say so?
You may be right that he was buying time to find an OTC drug that looked similar to what he gave her.
I know, right? Pretty stupid of him to say that. He could have just said something like: "they were herbal pills my daughter gave me to relax. I'll ask her." That conversation proves without any question that he is a liar. He told Constandt they were herbal the night he gave them to her and later changed it to Benadryl. That is, if I remember correctly that he admitted telling her they were herbal.
Who takes Benadryl to relax anyway? They were probably Mexican quaaludes.
oh wait. I think that was when she asked if they were herbal he said: "they're your friends." YUCK.
Did you follow the first trial? I believe there were two people who wouldn't vote guilty and one of them spoke to the news and said she went to his house for sex because one time he had seen her in a top that showed her midriff. Who even says midriff anymore?
It was stupid. If he, as he's said, suspected Constandt's mother was recording their conversation, he had even more reason to simply admit he'd given her 1 1/2 Benadryl because she'd told him she was upset and couldn't relax. Of course that would prove he'd lied to Constandt when he told her it was some kind of herbal remedy, but is still a hell of a lot better than some variety of Mickey.
If he'd been on the up and up, he'd have told Constandt's mother he understood her concern about her daughter and any drugs he'd have given her, but it was only 1 1/2 of a Benadryl, because she told him she was having trouble relaxing, and sleeping. But even still, why would he give her that, knowing she had to drive home afterwards? Why wouldn't he give her them to take after she'd safely gotten home?
People do sometimes take Benadryl to relax. For some reason some allergy medications do have that effect. Even the package warns of its properties of making people sleepy, to not drive or operate machinery while under its effect. That I don't argue.
There's a lot more than this, as you know, including his bizarre incoherent reply when asked directly about these allegations.
Which bizarre incoherent reply? There were so many.
I used to take Benadryl and serve dinner to 100 people. But meds affect people differently. I once took 1/2 a quaalude after work. My friend said it would make me feel better as I was upset about something. I had to pull over into a Wendy's parking lot and I passed out in the drivers seat for 4 hours. If she had taken 3 times that much well, holy crap.
The one I'm referring to was when he was interviewed in Alabama, and comes in two parts, as "answers" to two questions he was asked.
First question:
“Are you prepared for backlash? If a young person comes up to you and says, ‘My mom says you’ve done some bad things,’ how will you answer them? If they are pressing you, ‘Are you guilty? Did you do it? Are the allegations true?’”
His response:
"I am prepared to tell this young person the truth about life. I’m not sure that they will come like that. I think many of them say, well, you’re a hypocrite. You say one thing, you say the other. My point is, okay, listen to me carefully. I’m telling you where the road is out. I’m telling you where, as you’re driving, you’re going to go into water and it looks like it might only be three inches deep, but you and your car are going to go down. Now, you want to go here, or you want to be concerned about who is giving you the message?"
No, you'll notice, denial that he's a hypocrite. All he goes on about is a hypothetical young person shouldn't be concerned about who's giving them the message. No denial of being being guilty of any of these allegations 🙄
The second part, the question was "Are you concerned at all that, given the allegations, that may overshadow your message?”
His response?
“I’ve been in this business 52 years, and I’ve never seen anything like this,” Cosby said. “And reality is the situation. And I can’t speak.”
W.T.H.? 😂 This was the *only* time he spoke publicly in "answer" to the allegations against him.
Right, people react differently to different drugs and different dosages of them.
That was the radio interview, right? It was probably the only thing I skipped. I'll check it out.
What a convoluted mess. That guy is nuts. His lawyers should have had him plead insanity, but glad they didn't. He is nuts.
It was on TV. I forget now why he was in Alabama at the time, but it's easy enough to find if you Google some of the words of his nutty reply.
I'm glad his lawyers didn't try an insanity plea with him too.
Edit: here's a link to the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhAdVi_YHE
“Reality is the situation.” He makes about as much sense as some of the guys on this thread.
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