Nice to see more stale Far Left wing talking points regurgitated. They are so utterly predictable.
1-My Lai is not a "government atrocity". It was a random incident that was not ordered by higher-ups but the result of a breakdown of command in one unit. A tragedy but NOT unique to Vietnam, as there were other incidents of that nature of innocents killed in command breakdowns in the "Good War", World War II so by your logic fighting Hitler was unjust because there were incidents of that nature then. My Lai is not a comment on the nature of the cause and the moral value of the United States vs. the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong.
2-Don't recite discredited "Winter Soldier" investigation crap. It doesn't become you at all and when you utter this line "I also mean the soldiers who were raping, torturing, and killing innocent civilians (the elderly, women, and children)" you are proving the phoniness of your entire POV where now all of a sudden after getting on your high horse and saying Fonda has apologized to veterans, you now turn around and repeat the very lies that made Fonda hated in the first place! Talk about trying to have both sides of an argument.
Her problem with the US was that she believed they were brainwashing POWs into thinking and saying they had been tortured while she contends she saw for herself that they were not. Was she mistaken? Who knows?
WE KNOW! The matter of tortures committed by the North Vietnamese is not a subject for debate and only a person desperate to believe in the goodness of the Communists would have ever tried to parrot the idea of the United States brainwashing POWs. POWs have repeatedly told of how they were forced under threat of more torture to put up the facades seen by Fonda and others. That she would instinctively trust the sincerity of those butchers is a point that speaks to what is real the issue. Being duped by a Communist propaganda line that was central to her own political agenda as well as the political agenda of her boyfriend/husband Tom Hayden.
My comment about the "objective standard" is the one where the objective standard is the hundreds of thousands drowned in the South China Sea or thrown into "reeducation camps" by Hanoi after the Fall of Saigon and the onset of the Killing Fields in next door Cambodia. Those are the victims who existed because America was not allowed to do its job. The anti-war movement of the spectrum Jane Fonda was part of wanted the side that perpetrated those atrocities to win. That's the inconvenient truth you're going to have to deal with.
Was America capable of prevailing in what was a just cause? That's debatable. But as to which side represented the just cause, spare me the whitewash for Hanoi's butchers.
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