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"Accident" ...my @ss...


There's no chance in Hell that this is an accident the victim wasn't an actress shooting a scene like Brandon Lee ...I say the f€&@er went crazy again and started shooting the crew ...

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As much as I dislike this guy, blank-firing props do occasionally discharge debris that can potentially kill. Didn't Brandon Lee die from the same thing? shit happens..

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Why was he firing a gun of any kind at his director of photography in the first place? As a joke? That's what I don't understand.

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That would be the most likely explanation which would make it negligent homicide. It was a real gun whether it was loaded with blanks, loaded with live rounds or unloaded it would still be considered aggravated assault to be pointing it at someone like the cinematographer.

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He has been on movie sets for a long time. It really seems he should know better.

This is a weird story.

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we appear to be missing many details - I'm very curious how it all went down

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I feel about it much like I feel about the Petito/Laundrie case -- there are some weird details and the story just isn't making a lot of sense.

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

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Given his anger management issues it wouldn't be surprising if he was upset and did it on purpose intending to scare the woman but killing her instead. Maybe this will result in the POS doing some time where he can pull an Epstein and make the world a better place.

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My dad immediately said he thinks Alec did it intentionally.

I don't know about all that, but I can't for the life of me understand how he would ever think it was a good idea to point a live firearm at someone and pull the trigger.

It seems there's a real possibility he could serve some jail time, and if not, it seems like a wrongful death lawsuit would be guaranteed.

I have to assume he's sitting at home right now thinking about badly he fucked up and being nervous about it.

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The scene could've had him point and shoot the gun towards the camera. It wouldn't be the first movie to do this.

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Jon Eric-Hexum on the TV series Cover-Up also died from a blank discharge. Fooling around on the set, he held a prop handgun to his temple, pulled the trigger, and pulled the trigger. He thought it was all in good fun.

The blast blew shards of his scull bones into his brain. He died. “Blanks” are filled with fucking GUMPOWDER. It’s not a toy.

Brandon Lee would have been a MAJOR action star and maybe even Movie Star had he continued. I don’t think Eric-Hexum have been a movie star (at least not A-List), but could have been a Dolph Lundgren-like personality presence.

Why the hell didn’t movie sets confiscate all firearms after the set was shot? That is criminally stupid. Most actors have no Firearm training.

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That's crazy. He shot himself twice.

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That’s what it is . Alec was not the prop person on set . He probably just fired a prop gun he was handed

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Yes, it was something like that. After Lee's death, I believe they put stricter rules in place. In Lee's case, I remember they were using real bullets to make the prop bullets. That surprised me. I thought on movie sets they uses blanks and dummies that were specially made for that. On The Crow they just had people in the prop department modifying actual bullets to use for filming.

I'm curious what happened here. The rules are stricter, but that doesn't matter if people ignore those rules.

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I think Brandon Lee was killed by an actual bullet that had become lodged partway up the barrel due to firing a cartridge that had no powder but had a primer that pushed the bullet out of the cartridge and into the bore - I have done this with a rifle, it does happen.

Then in a later scene the same gun was used with blanks, which did have enough power to push the forgotten bullet out of the gun at lethal speed.

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Why would he think that a gun with blanks would kill someone?

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It is known that guns that shoot blanks can still be dangerous. I was taught this even as a child.

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I know it can, but the odds are low. If someone wanted to do a school shooting, they wouldn't go armed with a gun that shoots blanks.

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They might if they wanted to give people a sporting chance !

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Sure, but would you ever point a gun loaded with blanks at someone and pull the trigger?

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Because the first rule of guns is never point them at anyone unless you want to kill them. Doesn't matter if its a unloaded gun or a gun loaded with blanks you don't point them at people. Pointing a gun at someone in Arizona is aggravated assault. Clearly he didn't just point it at someone he pulled the fucking trigger. He should be arrested for negligent homicide at the very least.

Only an idiot would think you could point a gun with blanks at someone. The fact is a gun used in a movie is almost always a real gun, it is simply loaded with blanks but that doesn't make it safe to point at someone. Hell even when I was a kid and went to Six Flags when they had the fake gunfights they would tell people to stay back for safety and then demonstrate how dangerous a gun firing blanks was by shooting a glass of water to show it blowing the glass apart.

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Literally everyone who fired a gun with blanks in movies should be in jail then.

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If you have ever been on a movie set where they are shooting gun fights you'll notice that they don't actually shot at the other actors, it only appears that way in the movie because of the way the scene is edited. It would be dangerous as hell to have gun fights where the actor actually pointed guns at each other and shot blanks. You would have people getting killed and injured all the time.

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There was a young actor, Brandon Lee, who actually died filming a scene like that. I don't think they bothered trying to frame it so that guns weren't actually pointed at actors back then. It's possible that they made some rules since then about how they set up those shots, to keep actors out of the line of fire, I guess.

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In 1984 before Brandon, Jon-Erik Hexum killed himself on set when he put a gun with a blank to his temple and pulled the trigger. He was thought to be joking about killing himself and too stupid to understand that a blank pressed against his head was going to be just a leathal as if it had a bullet in it. As I recall with Brandon the gun had a live round in it and hit him in the stomach, but because it was a .44 magnum it was still lethal as hell.

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In Brandon Lee's case, the people who handle that were making blanks and dummies out of live cartridges. IIRC there was a little bit of gunpowder left in a dummy cartridge and that caused the bullet, or some debris, to get lodged in the gun. Then, when they switched to blanks, the gunpowder in the blank caused the debris to hit Lee.

I remember reading that they came up with much stricter rules about how they handle guns and ammunition on set that was supposed to prevent something like that happening.

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Sounds like a good compromise.

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There are a lot of 'shots' in films where they shoot straight at the camera and very often you'll see the director standing behind the camera operator (I'm assuming on this small film camera operator = DOP). It sounds very much like there was a real bullet in the the gun instead of a blank and it hit two people.

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Blank guns can’t fire live rounds. They are a reproduction of a firearm. However, the gases that escape from the gun can still injure or kill somebody if close enough.

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You are thinking of a starter pistol. They aren't capable of shooting real bullets, but in most movies they don't use a starter pistol they use real guns that are simply loaded with blanks. And if you were to swap a real bullet for the blank you would have a problem.

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No. Starter pistols and blank guns are basically the same thing. They’re modified so that neither of them are able to fire real ammunition. It’s impossible to put real ammo in a proper blank gun.

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a start pistol is not a blank gun. Their is no such thing as a blank gun. A regular revolver can easily fire blanks if the blanks are the same caliber as the revolver. The only time a gun needs to be modified to fire blanks is when it is a semi-automatic and in that case the spring is changed out so that the gun will properly cycle with the lower powered blank cartridge. But even if a semi-automatic is modified to fire blanks you could still put in a regular cartridge and it would still fire.

A starter pistol will often have a metal piece that goes through the inside of the barrel but the barrel still opens from the cylinder to the outside so that the hot gas from the blank can exit the gun. Now if you were to place a real cartridge in blank gun it would blow up in your hand because of the metal piece in the barrel. You would also only be able to place in very small cartridges that are rare but they do exist.

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A starter pistol is basically a type of blank gun. It makes a lot of noise, smoke, and muzzle flash, and it retains the same purpose. Generally the only real difference between a starter pistol and “blank” gun is their purpose.

It’s true a revolver can also fire blanks, however there are reconstructions of handguns that are designed to only fire blanks. It’s impossible for them to fire a live round. They are modified, usually with the barrel being obstructed, so it’s physically impossible for them to fire any kind of projectile.

That said, they can still vent gases and pressure that can seriously hurt or even kill someone when close enough.

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I've owned a starter pistol, I know how they are made. While I couldn't have fit a .22LR into one it would have easily accepted a .22 short. Now you are correct it did have an obstruction in the barrel which I mentioned in my previous post. It was also made out of some cheap ass metal which would make it even more of a grenade if you were to try to fire a real bullet in the pistol.

In short it is possible for you to insert and fire a live round in a starter pistol, however because of how the pistol is made it would certainly explode in your hand. Whether any part of the bullet would get past the barrel obstruction is unknown. I was never stupid enough to test that out in the starter pistol I had. Maybe someone on Youtube has tested it out as you find all sorts of dumb things on Youtube.

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That's a possibility. I think it'd be possible to shoot a scene like that without them being positioned behind the camera when he fired, but I could see them assuming it was safe since there aren't supposed to be real bullets in the gun. The bullet would hit the camera first I would think, unless the actor's aim was very bad, but an unlucky ricochet is possible.

The bullet killing one and injuring another makes me think it might have been a live round, and not just some debris that was left in the barrel when a blank was fired. I'm pretty curious about this, like a lot of people, I suppose. After the Brandon Lee accident, they put a lot of rules in place about handling guns on sets.

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They didn't say what type of gun, if he was shooting a pistol then the odds of it killing one and injuring another after it would have hit a camera aren't very high. If on the other hand it was a shotgun or double barrel shotgun which is commonly the type of shotgun they use in westerns then live rounds and a possibly shorter barrel length could result in it taking out a camera and killing the camera operator and injuring the director if he was simply close to the camera. Would depend on the distance from the camera to gun as the further away the wider the spread of the shots that would be coming from the gun. Worst case scenario would be buckshot where you would have 8, 1/3 inch balls from each barrel... if both barrels were fired at the same time it would be 16 balls and any given one would be capable of killing someone. If I were to have to put money on the type of gun involved I would say shotgun given the number of people hit.

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Good point. A shotgun would explain two people getting hit. Not that it couldn't happen with a pistol or rifle, but it'd be more likely with a shotgun, especially in the scenario you mentioned.

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There are a lot of 'shots' in films where they shoot straight at the camera and very often you'll see the director standing behind the camera operator (I'm assuming on this small film camera operator = DOP). It sounds very much like there was a real bullet in the the gun instead of a blank and it hit two people.

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"Because the first rule of guns is never point them at anyone unless you want to kill them. Doesn't matter if its a unloaded gun or a gun loaded with blanks you don't point them at people. Pointing a gun at someone in Arizona is aggravated assault. Clearly he didn't just point it at someone he pulled the fucking trigger. He should be arrested for negligent homicide at the very least."


You don't seem to understand how movies work. Like, at all. What planet are you on?

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You don't seem to understand the normal rules that are followed in making a movie. If you point the gun at the camera you should have a barrier like bullet resistant glass between the gun and the camera, and even with that barrier the camera should be unmanned. Those rules which are applied in every Hollywood movie made since the Brandon Lee accident were clearly not followed. Probably because the producers (of which Baldwin was one) were trying to cut costs.

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His anger issues are well known but c'mon, he's not killer.

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We don't know one way or another, the news articles I read offered no details and nobody here has any.

So given his history of anger issues and general assholery it's possible he may have been doing something inappropriate with the prop gun, but we don't know one way or another.

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It's very interesting - not only did he kill one person, but also injured another one. How many times did he shoot?

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And where was he standing ?

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You're a total moron. You fit right in on MC, full of rightwing Assholes because they've been kicked off of all the other platforms.

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It's full of Leftard Baldwin fans/apologists too

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I am a Progressive, support Bernie Sanders, and I don't support Baldwin. I allow that he is probably totally blameless, as are some celebrities who have killed people in car accidents or plan landings ... but I don't want to support that monetarily. No more Baldwin for me. I think anyone associated with something like this does not belong in the high status parts of our society. I don't hate him or blame him, it's unfortunate but there is a stigma, a pall on him.

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I have not seen any comments that apologize for Baldwin? Where? Certainly not leftists?

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Wah wah wah.

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Exactly! MC was taken over by right wingers a long time ago and the admins encourage such behavior. Such a shame, since this was supposed to be the follow up to the great IMBD-board.

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Its so uncool to be a leftist....

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so trump hateing Baldwin..its not so funny now.

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Sure, to an ill-informed deplorable, troll who's full of hate.

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Go live in Cuba 🇨🇺 or NK 🇰🇵 Commie

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Thanks for proving my point.

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Nailed it there! Far too many of them too.

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I haven't been kicked off any platform, and the reason this platform shifts right because it is unmoderated, and that happens in virtually all unmoderated forums. To get a platform to be , I don't want to say left (because I am a liberal), but establishment leaning is through censorship and manipulation, be it through amplification, paying schills or using botnets. They do it to create the appearance that the establishment position is the majority, and many, particularly women, would rather be a part of the majority than be right, so they adopt the message being forced on them.

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Maybe he found out she was a Trump supporter. Or she caught him raping a child.

But yeah, so much weird stuff reported about this. Contradictory too. Two behind camera people involved, cameras supposedly rolling. Let's say it was a catastrophic failure of a blank firing gun. They would have to be extremely unlucky to catch any lethal shrapnel. Especially as I'm sure we're most likely dealing with wheel guns as this was a Western. The type of guns with various places to vent gasses before massive failure. Prank gone wrong perhaps?

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When firing a single-action revolver supposedly loaded with blanks, you would think that the sight of a crew member falling down would prevent you from cocking and firing a second time.

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You would think so but this is Alec Baldwin after all. He's an absolute nutter suffering with TDS.

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It could have been a double action 1877 Colt. Or perhaps, a live round was in the gun and it went through on person killing her and wounding the second.

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So many stupid comments here. Why would Baldwin be pointing the gun at the camera? Really? You've never seen a shot where the actor is pointing the gun toward the camera? The only shooting you've ever seen is a master shot where the shooter and shootee are in the same frame?

Ever see the opening of a James Bond movie?
http://network9.biz/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Bond_gunbarrel-1.jpg

How about paying attention?

I hate Baldwin's politics, but he is not responsible for the condition of the weapon or its ammo; he's an actor doing what he is told to do. He is handed the weapon by the production crew.

In the Brandon Lee case, there was a projectile in the barrel and an overcharged blank sent it shooting out. There's probably something similar at play here. "Prop" guns are real guns.

How many of you armchair Sherlocks look inside the barrel of a weapon when you take charge of it?

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Typical illuminati trash it sounds like.

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