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I just ordered 4 NOS blank VHS tapes


Maxell HGX-Gold, which are supposed to be some of the best quality VHS tapes ever made:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XTwAAOSwh6Jk1ScW/s-l1600.jpg

They are the first VHS tapes I've bought since the mid 1990s, and the first high-grade ones I've ever bought. In the '80s and '90s I always bought whatever general purpose ones they had at the local grocery store.

I'm on a mission to see just how good VHS can look. I already have a VCR that was top of the line when it was introduced in 1985; a JVC (the inventor of VHS) HR-D566U; its original MSRP was $900. It was the first VCR to feature JVC's "HQ" circuitry, and the full implementation of it at that, which is important for this "mission" because it increases VHS's resolution from about 240 TVL to about 250 TVL.

I've already done a test with it; I made a copy of The Terminator (1984) from the Blu-ray release and it looked drastically better than the official Thorn EMI VHS release. But I only had an old, well-used, cheap tape to record it on, so it has quite a bit of white speck artifacts that flash on the screen from time to time.

I think my first test with the new tapes will be with Revenge of the Ninja (1983), because I have the 4:3 DVD release to use as a source (it's best to use a 4:3 source to take full advantage of VHS's limited resolution), and because I still have a VHS copy of that movie that I made from a rental tape in 1989 (using a pair of inexpensive VCRs and an inexpensive GE-branded tape) that I can use as a quality comparison.

Most people have never seen VHS at or near its best (I never did until I did that test with The Terminator a couple years ago), because during VHS's heyday most people had low-end or mediocre VCRs, low-end or mediocre TVs, and they watched rental tapes or their own recordings of TV broadcasts, neither of which were very good.

Even people who had high-end TVs and VCRs were still limited by those not-so-great rental tapes and TV broadcast recordings. The best results back then would have come from recording from a LaserDisc (425 TVL), but I doubt many people did that. I never knew anyone who even owned a LaserDisc player.

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It may be rose coloured memory but you know, we watched VHS movies and i don't remember thinking, this looks like shit.

Now when those large TVs came out, that picture looked like shit.


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"It may be rose coloured memory but you know, we watched VHS movies and i don't remember thinking, this looks like shit."

It looked fine to me back then, but I didn't have anything better to compare it to. An NTSC TV broadcast is better on paper (330 TVL), but we never got perfect reception on any channel. Channel 5 was the closest to being perfect reception, but even it had minor ghosting going on (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosting_(television)). VHS looked very similar to channel 5, minus the ghosting.

We got cable TV in 1989, which solved the reception issues, but it wasn't the strongest signal ever. With analog cable TV there's a lot of signal loss between the cable company and your TV. It looked similar to channel 5's OTA reception at our house. It was a little noisier but it didn't have any ghosting.

These days I can use much higher quality signals (such as a DVD- or BD-over-composite) with the same old CRT TVs to see that they are capable of displaying much higher quality than what I ever saw on them in the '80s and '90s. And that VHS copy of The Terminator I made could almost pass for DVD- or BD-over-composite, if not for the tape artifacts that I mentioned. It looks way better than any other VHS tape I've ever seen.

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We were also watching on the old tube tvs and it was all we had so we accepted it. I recall in the late 2000’s this guy I knew was watching a DVD on an old tube tv and he was complaining as he didn’t see what the big deal was all about.

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Do you have the Tube TV to go with it?? 🤔

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I have lots of them. My main TV is a 32" CRT that I bought new in 2005 (I made a point of buying a new one at that time because I knew they wouldn't be manufacturing CRTs for much longer), and in my bedroom I have a 19" CRT TV that I've also had since it was new (Christmas of 1988). I had to fix that one last fall because it was blowing one of its fuses immediately every time it was turned on.

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That's pretty cool, but eventually, father time will wear on them and then one day, you'll turn them on and see this line going across your screen and it's GAME OVER

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Not in my lifetime. They don't get used enough, I have a lot of them, and I can fix them. My most-used CRT is the PC monitor that I'm using right now. It's been on pretty much all day, every day (regardless of whether I'm actually using it or not) since the spring of 2006, and it was already used when I got it (manufactured in 2004). I've fixed it twice now. In 2017 I replaced all of its electrolytic capacitors (literally about 100 of them) and resoldered its cracked joints on the yoke header pins, and last year I had to resolder those same header pins again. I used more solder than I would normally use that time to hopefully make those joints last longer, because taking this monitor apart is a major pain in the ass (far more so than a typical CRT TV or arcade monitor).

My two in-use CRT TVs get used FAR less; maybe a total time of a couple/few weeks per year. My not-in-current-use CRT TVs get turned on for a few minutes maybe once every few years, just to see that they are still working.

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VRY SIMILAR...MY MAIN CRT ONLY GETS USED A FEW TIMES A YEAR FOR WATCHING VHS TAPES AND I HAVE A BUNCH STORED JUST IN CASE.

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VERY COOL...I COLLECT NOS BLANK TAPES...I HAVE NEARLY 2O DIFFERENT EXAMPLES ON A SHELF...I ALWAYS PICK EM UP WHEN I COME ACROSS THEM...I HAVE A LASERDISC PLAYER AS WELL...NEVER HAD ONE BACK IN THE DAY THOUGH.

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This brings back some memories. Not just VHS but also blank cassette tapes, as some were better than others, like metal tapes.
https://www.cassettecomeback.com/collections/type-4-metal-cassettes

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Yeah, metal tapes were the best as long as you had a cassette deck that could record them properly (most of them couldn't; the ones that could were high-end).

When I was a kid I knew nothing about tape formulations and I thought that metal tapes were intended for heavy metal music. I never bought any because they were expensive, and it's a good thing I didn't. I would have been disappointed because no tape deck I ever owned or had access to could have recorded them properly. Any tape deck can put sound on them, but it will only sound good if the deck is designed to handle them.

As a side note, those special formulations like chrome and metal were only developed because compact cassette tapes needed all the help they could get. They weren't originally designed as music media; they were designed for voice dictation and were originally mono-only. They have a very slow tape speed (1-7/8 IPS) which results in low bandwidth which results in a poor signal-to-noise ratio. Things like the various flavors of Dolby noise reduction and better tape formulations helped to make up for the slow tape speed.

Studio reel-to-reel tape recorders (and some consumer models) on the other hand used standard ferric oxide (type 1) tape, because those cruised along at 15 IPS and didn't need any help.

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Memories of the Nakamichi cassette decks. Not just the legendary Dragon, but the one where instead of auto-reversing the tape, the cassette physically auto-flipped sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRSDp1JI5BQ

Reel-to-Reel has seen some resurgence, but very expensive indeed.
https://unitedhomeaudio.com/

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WE JUST PICKED UP A COUPLE OF TAPE HOLDERS FULL OF HOME RECORDED METAL TAPES...I HAD NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE...BUT THEY WERE CHEAP AT A YARD SALE...HAVE NOT LISTENED TO THEM TO SEE THE CONTENTS YET.

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I never owned an 8-track player (they were mostly meant for car stereos) but I get quite nostalgic if I ever see them.
google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=8+track+tapes

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I GREW UP THE CHILD OF HIPPIES ON WELFARE IN THE 80S AND 90S....WE HAD 8 TRACKS EVERYWHERE...I ALSO HAVE A STRONG NOSTALGIA FOR THEM....YOU RARELY SEE THEM AND WHEN YOU DO IT'S SOMETHING LIKE CARL PERKINS OR THE BUICK SAMPLER...I WISH WE HAD SAVED MORE CRAP BACK IN THE DAY...IT'S ALL TREASURE NOW.

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The Buick Sampler -- LOL

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My family had a consumer electronics shop back then, and the AKAI VHS machines had the best picture. They were also pretty reliable. If I had to demonstrate the VHS format at its best, it would be with an AKAI machine.

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I remember Akai as a very good brand, but disappearing from stores sometime in the late 1980s - early 1990s. Same with Sansui.

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Some Akai VCRs were rebadged JVCs. For example, the Akai VS10 was a rebadged JVC HR-7700 (the HR-7700 was also rebadged as the Ferguson 3V23 for the UK market).

JVC invented VHS and came up with the main innovations/improvements over the years (Hi-Fi Stereo for sound quality and HQ for picture quality). Other manufacturers of VHS machines licensed the technology from JVC, which also allowed them to legally use the VHS, HQ, and Hi-Fi Stereo logos on their machines.

One VCR innovation that Akai definitely came up with was the onscreen display/programming, which everyone eventually copied.

My JVC VCR was the first model to have HQ circuitry (well, JVC released two models with HQ at the same time; the $850 HR-D565U and the $900 HR-D566U, which is the one I have). Here's a short Popular Mechanics article about it from December 1985:

https://i.imgur.com/j63De8e.png

Any VCR that has the full implementation of HQ (some cheaper ones only have a partial implementation of HQ, yet they still use the HQ logo) and is otherwise properly built to specifications is going to be as good as it gets for VHS picture quality. Mine can make recordings that are nearly indistinguishable from a DVD that's playing over the same composite video connection and TV, so I don't see much room for improvement.

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I still have some unopened from the 90’s.

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Do you still watch a lot of VHS?

also do you have a digitital converter box for your crt TV's so you can watch broadcast tv?

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"Do you still watch a lot of VHS?"

No, hardly ever.

"also do you have a digitital converter box for your crt TV's so you can watch broadcast tv?"

Yes, but I don't watch much broadcast TV either. The last time I watched a TV broadcast was a couple of months ago. I mostly use my CRT TVs to watch my favorite TV shows (all of which are decades old and 4:3 aspect ratio) on DVD (I don't watch them directly from my DVDs, but rather, I rip the DVDs to a USB flash drive and watch them from that through either my BD player or my WD TV media player), and for classic video game consoles (mostly Atari 2600, NES, and SNES).

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