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Ever Been on the Receiving End of a False Accusation?


It's not nice, is it?

Thank goodness my false accusation took place when I was a kid, many years before 'cancel culture'.*

*Cue some over-privileged, clueless, spoiled late-Millennial/Gen Zer with ZERO experience of life, and the hardship that comes with being on the receiving end of a false accusation, to moronically state with arrogant confidence and certainty that "There's no such thing as 'cancel culture'"...

Next they'll be saying that there's 'No such thing as a false accusation'...So much for *GENUINE liberalism* and the presumption of innocence. I really, really hope *they're* never on the wrong side of a false allegation. Honest... ;)

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My local neighborhood brother boys stole comic books from me so I slugged them both out at the school bus stop the next morning. They wound up stealing some of my favorite comics but they received a proper beating the next day.

I never recovered one Wolverine mini-series issue and some Punisher books…but I beat the hell out of those kids.

Who but a pair of psychos steals from a friend?

Life lesson learned for them.
Punches teach lessons.

Their divorced Mother, very drunk and angry naturally, accused me of being unhinged.

I explained that her crappy kids ripped me off, so I beat them up and that was that.

The message was sent.
It never happened again and I was on top on the blockđź‘Ť

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Interesting.

Do you believe this was a 'false allegation'? I mean, you did do the thing you were accused of, or am I incorrect? Which isn't to say that I believe you're 'unhinged', but clearly this was a response to something you actually *did*, whereas in my case, I was accused of something that was entirely fabricated and had no apparent basis on anything I'd ever done or said. I didn't even know my accuser very well.

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You figure it out if you can. It’s not my job to figure out your mess and I don’t care.

I handled the matter.
Good luck.

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Hey, no need to be hostile. We're just talking here.

I'm interested in your thoughts. You don't have to agree with me. I'm just politely enquiring rather than telling you what's what.

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This post above contains several buzzwords that would be more at home on the politics board than on this one, and there is very little in the way of insightful content.

Here's a paragraph by paragraph subtext breakdown of the OP:

Sympathize with my vague victimization framing here and take this as an open-ended platform to expound upon your own prejudices.

I will reference an equally amorphous period known as "the good old days" without detailing that specific experience.*

*Here I will preemptively label, discredit and disparage any potential opposing views by tying them back to contemporary politicized vernacular whilst throwing out other broad generalizations and asserting my self-appointed position as a cultural arbitrator

Rephrase previous preemptive reactive paragraph to any opposition without adding anything new and ending it with a smug encouragement of any and all support from the usual peanut gallery.

Anyway, prove you read this whole response by naming your top ten movies from 2022 that you watched from beginning to end.

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I read this whole response, and I didn't have enough money to see ten new movies last year (most of the films I was able to catch on the big screen were animated films I watched with my 8-year-old nephew).

I must say that the rest of your post is fundamentally lacking in any empathy or compassion. Are you a right-wing conservative? Clearly you're not a progressive liberal, as I had always believed progressive liberals cared about people, especially the hard-done by (or maybe you don't think that being on the receiving end of a false allegation that prompts one to come close to committing suicide, is a particularly terrible ordeal to go through). Perhaps you could set aside your cold, nasty arrogance for a moment and display a bit of decency and humanity, or is that beyond you?

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Please name ten movies from 2022 that you watched and liked in your next post or do not respond at all. Only a troll would deflect that request on this site.

Hey, I just remembered a false accusation that some doofus idiot lobbed at me in hopes of getting a rise. Do you want to hear more about it?

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With all due respect, I am not a dancing monkey. I am not obliged to answer your question. I will only do so on the basis that I am curious to hear more from you concerning my OP (I also think you should retract your attack on me, which, as I said, is very cruel and mean-spirited in view of what I experienced). Also, let me guess, I'm the 'doofus idiot'? If that's the only 'false allegation' you've ever experienced, I echo the sentiments of my OP in stating that you're clearly an example of one who has lived a very privileged, some might say, spoiled, life. But feel free to prove me wrong. :)

I saw the following films in 2022: Scream, The Batman, Turning Red, Sonic 2, The Bad Guys, Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, Lightyear, Thor: Love and Thunder, Nope (a rare treat in that it was a film I wanted to see for my own pleasure - I went on National Cinema Day, when all showings were half-price), Lyle Lyle Crocodile, and Avatar 2 (which I saw this year, but counts as a 2022 film). The Batman is the best for me. My apologies that I didn't see any art/grown-up films last year. Pre-COVID, I regularly attended my nearest art-house cinema, but post-COVID I haven't had the money, the time, or my pre-pandemic inclination to resume my more 'sophisticated' cinemagoing habits. Sorry.

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Words acknowledged.

Why did it take you so long to respond to a simple question about your movie viewing habits on a movie forum?

I appreciate your direct answer to the above question sans any and all verbiage that relates to the OP or any other unnecessary politically-charged bullet points that you have tried to tie into this exchange rather than go onto the politics board.

As for my empathy, here's the full trial of a man who was falsely accused of murdering 19 people. He represented himself in court and was fully exonerated. I will appreciate your nuanced observations on all of the nearly five hours of footage compiled for this landmark legal case:

https://youtu.be/40wkJJXfwQ0

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Firstly, I'm clearly not going to watch 5 hours of footage.

Secondly, why should I?

Thirdly, why are you being so rude and glib in relation to my *actual* and still *traumatising* experiences? Are you one of those cold, hard idealogues who only knows how to display empathy when you agree with the political or ideological implications of an individual's personal experiences? Or maybe you don't even have much empathy for people who do share your ideological position, but simply see them as pawns, and a means to an end.

I'm a staunch leftist, but, more importantly thank politics to me is EMPATHY, UNDERSTANDING and HUMANITY, regardless of whether an individual is Black, white, gay, straight, male, female, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, atheist, and so on. Political ideology is a barrier that often prevents us being kinder to one another. Narrative becomes more important than facts, which in turn are more important than compassion. It's all rather sad and yet few people are willing to acknowledge this, because they have some weird type of cognitive dependence of their ideology, which much take precedence over anything, including even fairness and justice.

Good on the man who was fully exonerated. Clearly he's a better lawyer than I am. But so ****ing what? We all process trauma in different ways, and even if he's now exonerated, he'll probably be scarred for life. How many years did he waste fighting those false charges?

We only have one life (I'm guessing you're a fellow atheist; I can tell by your tone, so you'll probably agree). Why waste that one life fighting against something that should never have happened in the first place? What is the good in that? It's a waste, is what it is. How can any logical and rational human argue otherwise?

PS: This isn't the Movie Board. It's the General Discussion Board. And my experiences are not intrinsically 'political'. Why do you believe they are?

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This is the General Discussion Board on MovieChat.org, not your blog. No one here has any obligation to play along like a tea party and indulge your every whim and whining.

The reason that I bring up that specific trial is that it hinged on expert testimonial from a certified movie buff. Watch the trial. Oscar-nominated writer/director Nicholas Meyer also provides testimony about his involvement in the Star Trek motion pictures. Someone who was truly attuned into movies (which is what this site is all about) and registered an appropriate username in tribute would probably pick up on that sooner - or so I had assumed.

Sorry, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe we can start again by cordially talking about movies on a movie message board?

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Fair enough. You make a reasonable point.

Back when this was the IMDb, I used to *only* talk about movies, and refrain from bringing politics and my personal life into the discussions (although I would often talk about the political themes within certain films), but circa 2016, just before the Trump v Clinton election, I noticed a change, and saw how politicised the IMDb started to become, and in view of the types of topics that trend here (bloody Trump and other politicians, if 'politician' isn't too much of a stretch when it comes to describing that POS), it seems that movie discussions are now only a small element of what gets discussed. And, on balance, I *don't* think that's a good thing, but, when in Rome, and all that...

So, yeah, I'm happy to talk more specifically about films, but I do resent being dismissed as 'whining' in view of my psychological scars. You can say that what I'm chatting about is 'inappropriate', and I appreciate most of your last post, but, honestly, I don't think some of the hostile digs are necessary, especially in view of what I experienced. I mean, being falsely accused, feeling compelled to consider suicide, and being on the receiving end of a few sexual assaults, including an attempted rape, is no walk in the park. My apologies for being so 'self-indulgent', but surely you can appreciate that these things hurt. In all honesty, would you be so dismissive if I were a woman relaying such experiences? That's not a misogynist question because my whole entire point is, I *wouldn't* speak to a woman that way...but, why then is it okay to speak to a man that way?

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There could be legit left-wing blather about this "false accusation" thing, as it's become a hot topic among the sort of right-wing douchebro who cannot BELIEVE that the authorities will no longer automatically give a white straight man the benefit of a doubt in awkward situations.

That said, the kid next to me copied my test answers in high school, and we both failed the test because the answers were identical and the teacher couldn't tell who'd been cheating. So I got punished for his petty crime, but the joke was on him because I hadn't studied for that test anyway. We both would have gotten sucky grades no matter who did what.

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So, you think it's 'right-wing' to believe in the presumption of innocence?

Do you think I'm a 'right-wing dude bro' for resenting the fact that someone made up some complete lies about me when I was a kid, which I tried to defend myself from, as a mob started to form and berate and attack me on the basis of those said lies?

Did I as a 14-year-old straight white *boy* deserve to be given the third degree on account of someone's lies, simply to 'even the score' as far as social justice goes? I'm a leftist, but if being left-wing is all about saying that straight white men should be treated as unfairly and unreasonably as everyone else, I think you can see why some straight white men logically choose to vote Trump. Heck, as much as I abhor Trump, I'm starting to think I'm the turkey who's voting for Christmas here, if being a leftist means I am obliged to go through the same hell I endured as a child, on account of my identity.

Now tell me how the **** I'm being 'unreasonable'?

PS: As well as being on the receiving end of a false allegation, I've *also* been sexually assualted by another boy, as well as an adult woman, but, being a straight white man, you'e probably going to tell me that it was just evening the score, right? Cos that's what 'social justice' is all about, apparently. Making sure straight white men, or indeed boys in my case, suffer the same unfair treatment that *some* (albeit, certainly NOT all) members of other groups are said to have endured. Fair, right?

By the way, before you answer me, bear in mind (1) I have been the VICTIM of a FALSE ALLEGATION and (2) I am the SURVIVOR of two separate instances of SEXUAL ABUSE. So, please think carefully about your tone and attitude upon responding. Wouldn't want to 'victim-blame', would you? At least, I hope not...

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PS: Remember folks, when a woman has been assaulted, she's a 'victim' or a 'survivor'.

When a straight white man has been assaulted, say for instance a rape or attempted rape, he's a 'whiny b**ch' for complaining about his experiences.

Am I right? Or am I just a 'misogynist' 'MRA' for my experiences...?

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I am not going to debate you on the "presumption of innocence" thing, because I've got better things to do with my life.

I'm just going to say that iI never heard straight white men never express a fear of "false accusations", or obsessively express such fears, before the legal system and the court of public opinion started taking people who aren't straight white men seriously.

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Otter, I was falsely accused of wrongdoing in 1994 (and I'm still paying for it today). Is this before or after 'the legal system and the court of public opinion started taking people who aren't straight white men seriously'? I wasn't even a man in 1994. I was a child (what's more, a child who didn't yet know if he was straight or gay, if that helps).

But it's besides the point, I'm a straight white man now. Does that make it okay that I was falsely accused in 1994? Bear in mind that I wouldn't come to this board to talk about my experiences, if I'd been *legitimately* accused of wrongdoing. I wouldn't bring it up at all, under those circumstances (but, suffice to say, those circumstances don't exist, and anything I've ever *actually* done wrong, I've always held my hands up for and taken my due raps).

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Not me, but a good friend of my mine dated this girl. Nothing really happened. They may have kissed, but that is it. Eventually they broke up.

About a year later we met up with some friends at a bar. Someone in the group was friends with the girls brother, and brought him along. The brother recognized us and he was quiet all night. Someone asked him what was wrong, and he claimed that my friend was the guy that raped his sister. We didn’t find out he said that until maybe a week later, but my friend was furious.

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My goodness! That's bad. What happened?

I can't imagine what it would be like to be accused of sexual violence, although after my personal experiences of being falsely accused as a 14-year-old of saying stuff I hadn't in fact said, I do now have this perverse fantasy of being falsely accused of a *serious* crime on social media (say Twitter), face the predictable mob justice for about 24 hours, only for the accusation to be categorically *disproven* (possibly with evidence/'receipts' since these days, society doesn't even trust a person who subsequently *withdraws* their own accusation, preferring instead to believe the worst/their original accusation, irrespective of the later denial), whereupon I would message each and every one of the various posters who berated me and politely, but STERNLY, ask them if there's something they'd like to say to me...

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Fortunately there isn’t much more to it than that. She didn’t call the police or anything, and the rumor never followed him anywhere. But it’s still crazy to hear a rape accusation, when they never even had sex. I think he did end up confronting her about it, and she admitted she said it, but she didn’t have a good reason as to why.

As for your fantasy, it’s probably not worth it. Society has gotten too dumb. You would be guilty from the accusation, and even if you clear your name with receipts, some people wouldn’t back off their point.

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"As for your fantasy, it’s probably not worth it. Society has gotten too dumb. You would be guilty from the accusation, and even if you clear your name with receipts, some people wouldn’t back off their point."

I wouldn't be able to orchestrate it by myself anyway. Besides, the whole premise of the fantasy is that someone has legitimately done me wrong, so it wouldn't even make sense to have them be my collaborator (not that I suspect anyone would want to take on the role of the 'false accuser'). But it's a sad reflection on society that, as you say, mud sticks, and even after someone has been *categorically* exonerated of wrong-doing, they are still tainted. How can anyone in this world be fine with that?

Going back to your friend's experience, I am truly sorry for what he went through. My experience doesn't remotely compare with that (I wasn't accused of a sexual or violent act, let alone a crime; but as a 14-year-old, it still deeply hurt and messed me up to be falsely accused of what I regarded as wrongdoing). Why would anyone make such a thing up? How old was she? Because that strikes me as a very immature thing to do, and I hope no grown adult would make such a terrible lie up.

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Yes. On my high school wrestling team. Coach accused me of stealing the team sweats which were reserved for his wife. He threw me off the team until they were returned. Later that night he called and asked me to return. I said I would have to think about it.

The next day I found out that the three co-captains of the team confronted the coach and told him I was not a thief. They gave him a choice: put me back on the team or they would all walk away. Felt good to have their confidence so I came back and finished the season, but my relationship with the coach was never the same again.

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I had to check what 'sweats' were. Does it mean 'sweatpants'?

I'm sorry for your experience. It's particularly hard being falsely accused as a child, as I was. It must be even worse being falsely accused by an adult (i.e. a person in authority who we are supposed to be able to trust and look up to).

Goodness knows why the coach would think you'd do such a thing, but, once again, I am sorry, and I can't say I blame you for feeling wary about your coach after that incident.

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Sweats = Sweatsuit.

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Yes! When you called me a bigot or whatever you said. I stated my opinion as opinion and then you went into finger-pointing and accusing mode.

I think you're keelai btw.

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I said you made a bigoted comment about trans people. I don't know whether you're a bigot in general.

I don't know who keelai is, but I'm flattered that there are other people on this board that I might be confused for, since so far I seem to have annoyed both the left and the right on this site (then again, I did say I was going to be honest, and that it might ruffle a few feathers).

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You haven't annoyed me and keelai also annoys everyone. Anyway I'm not annoyed by you or anyone on this site. I just repeated what you wrote...with no bad intentions. I say my piece and if people disagree that's their right. I just post stories I see on the internet, sometimes the truth hurts I guess.

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You have the right to be a bigot and/or make bigoted statements. If people don't like it, it's their problem.
Never give in to the woke mob. Ever. You give an inch, they will take a mile.

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I was accused of molesting a boy when I was in 4th or 5th grade, I was very insecure about it and said I didn't do it, but I actually did. I put my ___ in his mouth while he was sleeping, I was an asshole back then. He was only in like kindergarten or something, and I was spending the night at his house because I was using him to play his Playstation, and I would do a lot of shitty pranks on him that went too far, and would bully him a little because I was bullied. I was best friends with his cousin from like 8th grade through 10th grade, and lied my ass off about it the whole time, saying I was falsely accused. I never did tell him or his parents the truth. No clue why you wouldn't want to say what exactly you were accused of, if you didn't actually do it, or if it isn't a thing you still struggle with.

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WOW

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I'm guessing it's very common for weird sexual shit like that to go on between kids, judging by my life. Granted, most people don't usually admit it.

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Just WOW? For once I agree with you and all you got is wow? Get off the leash sic em...go get him boy!

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I was accused of badmouthing girls by saying that "boys are better than girls" and of badmouthing one girl in particular by stating that I was 'cleverer than her'. Neither thought had even entered my mind, let alone was something I'd actually said, so I was particularly aghast to be accused of making such statements, and was especially offended when other people started believing my false accuser, especially when they started saying "Where do you get off saying you're the best. Catherine is better than you." I don't know whether that was true or not, and it's besides the point. All I know is that I was consistently getting among the highest grades in my year, and it's only *after* being falsely accused of saying I was 'better than everyone' that I ever thought to be remotely defensive about the concept. Basically, by falsely accusing me of saying something I would never think or say, my accuser forced me to take the position of someone who *had* thought and said such a thing, and I resented that.

And that's the problem with false accusations. The people who make them are scum, and frankly as bad, if not worse, than the people who actually do the terrible things they falsely accuse people of. It's time we went back to treating false accusations as seriously as we do genuine accusations. Alas, this eminently liberal conceit is not very popular among some members of the *extreme* left, particularly the professionally victimised. They believe that it's worth innocent schmucks like me being falsely accused if it means more genuine malfeasants are convicted.

Whatever happened to Blackstone's Ratio: "It's better that 10 guilty people escape than one suffer"? Is it because the authoritarian wings of both the political left and right now dominate their respective wings, whilst left-wing libertarianism, a force to be reckoned with during the 1960s, has now disappeared into obsolesence?

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Can't say I relate. I struggled to pay attention in school, all the kids thought they were better than me, and the teachers agreed.

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LMFAO so with me...you call me bigot just to try and look "good" for that crazy chick and with this guy...the admitted molester you play DR. Phil? GTFO Don Trollio you got teepee in your bunghole!

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This sounds like what Cartman did to Butters. I can't tell if you're reenacting a scene or being truthful. You're all kinds of messed up though.

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