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Contradictory Stories Within Bands?

posted 3 years ago by BillHicksFan (10710)
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I tend to notice stories slowly changing after going on a site like newspapers.com and work chronologically to see how they shift a story where they were the main character.

Jagger and Ronnie Wood insist that “Miss You” wasn’t conceived as a disco song, while Richards said, “‘Miss You’ was a damn good disco record; it was calculated to be one.” In any case, what was going on in discotheques did make it to the recording. Charlie Watts said, “A lot of those songs like ‘Miss You’ on ‘Some Girls’ … were heavily influenced by going to the discos. You can hear it in a lot of those four-to-the-floor and the Philadelphia-style drumming.”

[–] Stratego (31059) 3 years ago

Not exactly a band, but Bryan Adams claims The Summer of '69 is a reference to the sexual position, while co-writer Jim Valance says it's not.

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

Those are the tough ones - when you have co-writers.. One guy thinks this, the other thinks that. I guess both are true, unless you know who wrote what.

[–] Stratego (31059) 3 years ago

I think the line wasn't conceived as such (in the first draft it was just one line most likely written down by the older Valance) and Adams only turned it into a joke when recording the demo. But that's just my take on it after hearing both sides.🤷‍♀️

[–] jriley555 (8535) 3 years ago

Another one : Keith asserts that Mick has a teeny weenie, but Mick insists that is not the case.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/marianne-faithfull-joins-jagger-penis-debate-2210408.html

[–] Thaistickers (1593) 3 years ago

That's a hilarious story header!

[–] ShogunofYonkers (78491) 3 years ago

It’s in stiff competition for headline of the year

[–] chilone (18291) 3 years ago

Don't be so hard on them!

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

Reminds me of our "leaders" during the debate (Trump and Rubio)

[–] nyctc7 (44099) 3 years ago

The most famous may be Pete Best and why he was fired from The Beatles. Whatever the reason, I don't think the The Beatles would have been The Beatles without Ringo.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pete+best+interview

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

The Beatles wouldn't have been nearly as popular without the utterly charming Ringo, he put them over with the mainstream with his universal appeal. Everybody likes Ringo, he's impossible to dislike!

IMHO they also would have broken up a lot earlier, without one good-natured person in the band. Without him, it would have been all massive egos.

[–] nyctc7 (44099) 3 years ago

I was 8 years old when Sgt Pepper's came out. Kids loved Ringo. He had a great appeal to children (and what you wrote).

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

Everyone loved Ringo. Kids loved him and "Yellow Submarine", parents loved him, grandparents loved him, teen girls loved him because he seemed so cute and sweet!

Yeah, he was largely responsible for the band's mainstream success, which seems to have gotten him no respect from his fellow band members. In "Get Back" he seems sad and hardly speaks, except when there's a crisis and they need him to make peace.

[–] Mustang (5568) 3 years ago

Van Halen, depending on who you hear it from Lee Roth was fired or quit.

It can be similar with Ozzy and Sabbath.

[–] ShogunofYonkers (78491) 3 years ago

With Van Halen I always thought it was a combo of fired and quit

Roth and Eddie were allegedly both hotheads and tough to work with, imagine two crazy alpha types in the same studio

I’m tempted to say ‘what a damn shame’ but the Hagar era stuff was really good too so I guess it worked out

[–] Mustang (5568) 3 years ago

I think the songwriting and singing improved a lot with Hagar. I never saw Roth as much of a singer. He also wanted to keep doing the same stuff which is where he clashed with Ed who wanted to branch out.

Both most likely coked to their eyeballs too! As well as Alex in the back also calling shots.

[–] ShogunofYonkers (78491) 3 years ago

Fair call on the writing

Yeah, substances probably played a big part in the break up

[–] jonathan_k80 (6436) 3 years ago

"Miss You" was the lowest point in the Rolling Stones' career.

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

I actually like that song, and felt they went downhill after "Tattoo You"

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

same here. i would never call miss you a top tier stones song myself - it's no happy or gimme shelter - but it's fun and catchy.

dirty work is their deepest low, i'd say. but keep in mind i haven't heard a new stones release in ... errr 25 years at least?

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

"Gimme Shelter" is my favorite song of theirs.. I'll also love "Satisfaction" (nothing like that in 1965) for it's Middle-Eastern riff set to a pounding and constant beat, and Mick's energy. I love those riff-based songs.. "Paint It, Black" is another favorite, "Jumpin' Jack Flash" (love the aggressive sound of the guitar), great riff in "Bitch"..

I half-regret not seeing them in concert. I've had chances, but always made excuses.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

my off the top of my head 10 favourite stones tracks:

tumbling dice
out of time
no expectations
gimme shelter
you got the silver
happy
dead flowers
it's all over now
the last time
beast of burden

[–] huwdj (4571) 3 years ago

There always are. Not only that but the stories appear to change over time but you get this with all celebrities. Personally I never trust any single story as the definitive version of anything. Sometimes you see biographies based on magazine articles and I don't trust them either.

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

I do a lot of digging before declaring if I can.

[–] huwdj (4571) 3 years ago

Yep, sorry - I sounded a bit critical there.

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

No, not at all.. I think having a healthy skepticism is the first step to get to the truth. I never let my ego get in the way of my curiosity.

[–] ShogunofYonkers (78491) 3 years ago

Solid practice Bill, I read a lot of this celebrity gossip stuff (I love all of it lol) and it should all be taken with a grain of salt

I know they are millionaires and many are legends but I love the celeb gossip stories…Was Jagger really screwing Bowie, Did Elvis like teen-aged girl feet, was Morrison a huge asshole all of the time..?

I’m as guilty as anyone for reading this depraved stuff

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

I like to go to the source first.. So I'd check out video/audio interviews with a Jim Morrison.. Then interviews in print. And then those close to him.

Check this interview out - it's great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQfr-BtcDII&t=7s

[–] tcrum (31864) 3 years ago

There's a lot of conflicting stories about who had sex with who, in Fleetwood Mac.

[–] BillHicksFan (10710) 3 years ago

Stevie and Mick is all I'm aware of... But Bob Weston fucked Mick's wife, and so was kicked out, BUT, Mick played on Weston's solo album.