How do we feel about them???
Should we be required to show them prior to entering a business like a grocery store, bar, or a restaurant???
I can't see them for shopping either, but I can see them for travel, school, and work.
shareUnvaccinated people still have the option of ordering GROCERIES and having them sent to their homes.
shareI agree, but look at how well mask mandates went in stores. I just can't see it being implemented.
shareThe GROCERY STORE where I shop had COPS standing watch at the FRONT DOORS for a few weeks. I'd imagine they'll do the same thing again -- IF and whenever the VACCINE PASSPORT is required to be shown before you can enter the store (the same way as one was also required to wear a mask to enter it)???
shareWhat about the 33 million americans without internet access? Not everyone is rich enough to afford internet access.
shareIf they have a telephone they probably got a ROBO CALL telling them to call a number so that they can get vaccinated (if they were also in the age group or category that was getting injections at that time).
shareWhat does that have to do with ordering groceries online, or would prefer to starve them to death for the crime of being poor? Not everyone has internet access.
shareSorry for the confusion.
I thought your comment about not having internet access was in reference to how they couldn't get VACCINES without it.
As for not having INTERNET SERVICE, people can also CALL the GROCERY STORE to ORDER the groceries without having INTERNET service to do so.
And before you say what if someone doesn't OWN or have a PHONE, anyone who doesn't have one or can't afford one is also able to get one for FREE if they qualify for it (don't have enough money or income to pay for it).
And the FREE SMART phone that they have issued to them would also have a limited amount of FREE INTERNET SERVICE on it as well.
Sets a bad precedent.
shareagreed
shareWhy?
What's bad about the precedent being set?
We also already have one for school attendance -- where one is required to be vaccinated for measles and mumps, etc. -- as a way to protect other students from catching those diseases from others.
So why not also do the same thing for the COVID VIRUS???
You want to show your vaccine sheet at walmart, target, safeway. We are really headed for that sci fi novel.
shareThey can also be located on your smart phone as an app so that's all you'd need to show someone.
With COVID-19, policymakers and corporations are taking a decidedly digital approach to the creation of a vaccine passport.share
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-you-need-to-know-about-vaccine-passports-and-why-they-may-not-be-a-saving-grace-11617118962
On Friday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced the launch of Excelsior Pass, a digital platform developed through a partnership with IBM IBM, -0.84% that enables individuals to store digital proof of test results and/or vaccine status, and businesses and venues to verify these items without accessing personal-health data.
You seem young, watch soylent green.
shareI'm old enough to have watched that film back when it was first produced.
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hmm are you going for a lets just all get it and that creates the immunization. because I'm on board with that.
shareThat sounds like a nice idea, but here's the RUB that the article in LINK points out to us right away:
Evidence suggests existing vaccines may not be as effective at combating coronavirus variants, reducing their efficacy
So how do we deal with this other issue???
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/uk-covid-variant-dominate-strain-florida/67-2d42c6aa-2765-4d86-89b3-28c96db8c33a
'It moved fast:' UK variant now causing most COVID-19 cases in Florida, doctor says
Data shows Florida has 2,274 cases of the variant. It's spreading the virus quicker than before, and …
"About 50-60 percent of the isolates being tested here are this variant. If you come in contact with the person who's got this, you're 50% more likely to be infected. It's also probably maybe 30 to 40% more lethal," said Dr. Tom Unnasch with USF Public Health.
From day one I've been the russian roulette girl..I respect everyone elses call but I'd rather take my chances.
shareSo you don't feel it's irresponsible in any way to refuse to get vaccinated as a way to STOP the SPREAD of the VIRUS and the creation of these other VARIATIONS or MUTATIONS of it that are even more CONTAGIOUS and DEADLY???
IT's fine to RISK your own life, but what about the lives of others that you might INFECT with these VARIANTS of it (including those who have already been VACCINATED)???
No I'll happily get vaccinated, I registered 3 weeks ago, no response.
shareWhat worries me is the VACCINES may not help to keep the virus from spreading, due to the way the MORE DEADLY STRAINS of the virus are already SPREADING in places like FL (where people FLOCKED to the beach areas during SPRING BREAK where they also didn't wear masks or stay a safe enough distance away from each other).
In other words, behavior like that could also make getting vaccinated a waste of time and effort due to the way the VACCINE won't protect you from getting the NEW MUTATED STRAINS of it.
And that could mean we'd end up being WORSE OFF than we were ONE YEAR AGO when the virus first began spreading (due to the way we'd also be dealing with NEWER and even MORE CONTAGIOUS and DEADLY STRAINS of it that the vaccines won't protect us from catching).
Your a fear person if it wasn't this thing it would be a car accident. You latch onto the worst case scenario.
shareThere's also other issues at play here as well, such as having a condition that puts one at a VERY HIGH RISK of DEATH if one were to catch one of these NEWER STRAINS of the virus.
So the FEAR is also whether or not one is going to be able to STAY ALIVE.
In other words, one also feels sort of like one of those standing on top of the tower during 911 where they had a choice to either LEAP down to the ground or else stay there and burn up alive.
Obviously one doesn't want to make either choice, but is still forced is to make a chose anyhow.
Since the article also mentions the possibility of BOOSTER SHOTS, one will also keep one's fingers crossed that they can produce them as a way to combat the NEW STRAINS.
But of course, that's also not going to STOP other EVEN NEWER VARIANTS of the VIRUS from getting created.
Everyone has a choice, go to the grocery store, go the the yoga class. For me honestly we're at a point when my yoga studio is going maskless at 3 feet. I'm not comfortable with that.
shareI work out with each morning right here at home with WAI LANA (YOGA) and with MIRANDA (Classical Stretch) who have programs on PBS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Lkc45-vyA&t=8s
Yoga Poses for a Strong and Flexible Back: Wai Lana Yoga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbWgGgRLp94&t=1s
30 MIN Connective Tissue Workout with Miranda Esmonde-White | Essentrics
Plus we also have a WORK OUT ROOM with other machines (which I also wipe down with alcohol before using them).
But I also have other health issues that makes the thought of catching COVID a very scary thing to consider.
But recently one also discovered how one can also get the MONOCLONAL ANTIBODY infusion if one does catch it. The problem is finding a place that can inject it into you.
MORE DEADLY STAINS !!!
i'm mostly ok with this.
certainly, i think everyone should be able to exclude anyone they don't want on their property. if i don't want an unvaccinated guy in my apartment, that's my call, and i'd want to allow every business & any kind of organization the same freedom.
of course, i'd want the owners to have the freedom to allow people in if they're willing to accept the risk.
My biggest concern is how the bodies of those who refuse to be VACCINATED are creating HAVENS for the MUTANT FORMS of the VIRUS (which also means the VACCINES that we get will end up being INEFFECTIVE-- due to the way that they may not protect us from catching these newest VARIANTS or NEW STRAINS of the virus that are even more CONTAGIOUS and DEADLY).
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Another excuse for more POWER and CONTROL by government, and increased potential for abuse of same.
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The whole situation is very complex and interesting, seeing as how, for example:
- Many people can’t currently be vaccinated for example pregnant women
- Vaccinated people can still a) contract and suffer from (albeit a milder case) of COVID so still need to be cautious and self-isolate etc and b) transmit it still whilst being asymptomatic
These links say it's ok for pregnant women to be vaccinated and indicate those vaccinated don't transmit the virus while asymptomatic:
Covid-19 vaccines provide protection for pregnant and ...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/health/pregnant...
Mar 25, 2021 · The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines are effective in pregnant and lactating women, who can pass protective antibodies to newborns, according to research published Thursday in the ...
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https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccines-reduce-coronavirus-transmission-early-research-2021-2
Even more evidence shows vaccinated people are unlikely to transmit the coronavirus or get asymptomatic infections
I guess it depends where you get your information from....
‘The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated in the setting of continued widespread community transmission of the virus. Vaccinated people could potentially still become infected and spread the virus to others.’ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
8th March 2021
Across other articles, the vaccination reduces the risks but does not totally eliminate it....as yet....for example https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/single-dose-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-reduces-asymptomatic-infections-and-potential-for-sars-cov-2
24th Feb 2021
I’ve heard and read repeatedly, for example a Dr that advises and frequently appears on BBC Radio 2, that it’s advised that pregnant women here take all precautions but not the vaccine.
The NHS don’t even (routinely) offer it to pregnant women!
https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/the-vaccines/pregnancy-breastfeeding-and-the-coronavirus-vaccine
15th March 2021
This could be the scenario: -
Travel - Yes
Live Concerts - Yes
Sporting Arenas - Yes
Bars/Restaurants - Yes
Hotels - Yes
Cinemas - Yes
Shops - Unlikely (but who knows)
This would be very introduce in a country like Singapore (my in-laws live there), as it's pretty much like that already.
Here in the US, there would surely be some legal issues. For example, the Fourth Amendment protects against unreasonable search and seizure, but a traveler in an airport consents to being searched (even if he's unaware of it) when he goes through the first security checkpoint. That doesn't apply to subways, though. Why? Because very few people must travel by air, but there are many who must use subways to support themselves -- there's no other practical way for them to commute to work.
There wouldn't be a Fourth Amendment issue with vaccine passports. But there might be some similar, essential versus non-essential issue. People might be required to show them in restaurants but not in grocery stores, for instance.
On the news they were discussing how businesses might require those who work for them to be vaccinated.
So that would also mean those who use subways as a way to get to work would also need to be vaccinated.
And schools (which already require you to be vaccinated for other diseases) might also require you to have a COVID vaccine as well.
But none of that is going to matter much if these more CONTAGIOUS and MORE DEADLY STRAINS of the virus keep spreading.
Because we're going to end up even WORSE off than we were when the whole thing started with this MUTATED VERSION of it wrecking even more havoc than it caused before.
They also say 20 to 40 yr old people who are catching it are also the one's who now die from it (due to the way so many Seniors are already vaccinated).
> On the news they were discussing how businesses might require those who work for them to be vaccinated. So that would also mean those who use subways as a way to get to work would also need to be vaccinated.
No, any private sector employer can, within broad limits, hire or decline to hire a person for any reason. An employee might well be required by an employer to be vaccinated, and if the employee refuses he can find work elsewhere. That's quite different from the subway situation. Many in large cities have to use the subway, not just to get to a specific job, but to get to any job at all.
If this 4th wave (as they call it) results in us being WORSE OFF than we were when the whole thing started for us last MARCH (back when we had the SHUTDOWN to where all you could do was go get GROCERIES), my bet is VACCINES are going to be MANDATED for anyone who doesn't want to remain under what would essentially be house arrest (due to the way the UNVACCINATED probably also wouldn't be allowed to leave their homes and place others at risk of catching the virus from them).
shareThis isn't communist China. You can't prevent people from leaving their homes in this country. We won't stand for it. I've worn the masks, locked down since last March, haven't gone to Church since it all began, including Christmas and Easter. The constant ratcheting upward of restrictions on civil liberties is disgusting.
shareWhat I'm talking about is an EMERGENCY SITUATION where instead of just 500,000 or HALF A MILLION people DEAD, we could end up with 5 TIMES that many DEAD (due to the way the NEW STRAINS of this virus are MORE CONTAGIOUS and DEADLY).
So IF it gets to that point (which would also mean the HOSPITALS who were already OVER WHELMED before would be even more so or to the POINT where the STAFF could no longer deal with the STRESS of treating people anymore), then you'd be in a situation where people would be willing to FORCE other people to STOP SPREADING the disease.
Think of it as being UNDER ATTACK by an ENEMY like back during WW2 when they locked up the JAPANESE AMERICANS in CAMPS who were not even a threat to anyone at all. Or think about how there were the BLACKOUTS at night where you couldn't have lights showing out your windows for fear of being BOMED by GERMANS.
If enough people DIE due to this VIRUS you're going to end up with CHAOS and no choice but to CRACK DOWN upon others who refuse to be VACCINATED because they'd also be the ones who were SPREADING IT around.
And that's what other people won't STAND FOR who have been vaccinated. Because they've also WORN MASKS, and been LOCKED DOWN since last MARCH, and haven't been able to live the same way as they use to do before either.
And if a SMALL PERCENTAGE of people who refuse to be VACCINATED continue to keep them LOCKED DOWN, and keep SOCIETY dealing with EMERGENCY situations (like in HOSPITALS where people who DIE also claim COVID is a HOAX as they take their LAST BREATH), then there's also going to be RESENTMENT against them for their keeping SOCIETY in a state of SHUTDOWN.