On the news they were discussing how those who refuse to get vaccinated will end up spreading other VARIATIONS of the virus (like the one from BRAZIL) that will leave all of us (including those vaccinated) without any IMMUNITY again.
And that also means we'd end up being right back where we started again-- with no other way to protect ourselves but to SHUT DOWN everything again.
So what can be done to prevent that from happening???
Would COVID CAMPS need to be SET UP as a way to protect others who do get vaccinated from those who refuse to be vaccinated???
Any VIRUS that can KILL HALF a MILLION people here in the US in less than a year definitely isn't what one would call NATURAL.
And when one needs to go to the GROCERY STORE to get groceries, and go to the doctor's office for treatment, etc. etc. etc. staying away from other people is also NOT an option.
Does anyone else have any other thoughts about how to keep the VARIATIONS of the VIRUS from SHUTING EVERYTHING DOWN again???
If they... doctors, the goverments, the UN, experts, scientists, etc. couldn't find a way to keep the virus away, what chance a random person in MOVIECHAT actually can?
The QUEEN of ENGLAND who CONTROLS (or is suppose to) that area probably wouldn't like it if "KING BIDEN" issued a ROYAL DECREE to send COVID infected people over there DOWN UNDER to her place???
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As for putting those VACCINATED into CAMPS, they're not the PROBLEM. Because they're NOT the one's who can INFECT other people with it like the UNVACCINATED can.
PLUS one would also think there will be MORE VACCINATED than UNVACCINATED, thus also making it EASIER to keep those NOT VACCINATED in the CAMPS than it would be to keep those VACCINATED in them.
Since we also placed the JAPANESE into CAMPS during WW2 because it was assumed they were a THREAT to others, and we rounded up NATIVE AMERICANS and put them onto RESERVATIONS, and we've also been keeping HISPANICS from CENTRAL AMERICA in CAMPS at the SOUTHERN BORDER, it just seemed like a possibility that we might also place UNVACCINATED people into some camps as well.
Because if something isn't done about them, then we could also end up RIGHT BACK where we STARTED all over again (with another BIG SHUTDOWN of EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE again) with them SPREADING the NEW VARIATIONS of the VIRUS around all over the place again.
Does anyone really feel like wearing a MASK for another year or being under a CURFEW again where the only place you can go is to get GROCERIES???
I don't.
I'd rather have them round up those who don't want to be VACCINATED and keep them LOCKED UP.
You cannot control a virus. But, boy you sure can control people.
Have a look at how many people die every year on average from various different causes. Look it up. Note the numbers for disease, car accidents, old age, and other non-car accidents. Then come back here and tell us what other concentration camps you think need to be created for people.
You have QUOTED numbers for the FLU that are based upon NUMBERS that are "WORLDWIDE" ...
which also has NOTHING to do with the "HALF a MILLION" number that have DIED in "just ONE NATION of the WORLD".
"WORLDWIDE" COVID has KILLED 2,621,944 or 2.6 MILLION people and infected
118,119,333 or 118 BILLION.
So 2.6 MILLION COVID "DEATHS WORLDWIDE" is also approximately about
"5 TIMES MORE DEATHS WORLDWIDE than the FLU"
and about "8 or more TIMES MORE than deaths from Malaria."
And CAR ACCIDENTS in the US also number in the TEN'S of THOUSANDS (about 30,000 per year), not in the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS or 500,000 (in the HALF a MILLION range).
And this link also says NO ONE DIES of OLD AGE:
Officially, no one dies of old age in the United States. That's according to the NCHS, which is the government agency responsible for collecting statistical information on how we die.
Do People Really Die of Old Age? - Senior Health Center ...
And NO ONE said anything about a CONCENTRATION CAMP either.
The COVID CAMPS would be more like what the JAPANESE were TEMPORARILY placed into during WW2 as a way to make sure the rest of the PUBLIC was protected from them (when others didn't even need to be protected from them). No one KILLED them the way the NAZI's MASS MURDERED groups of other people at that time.
In other words, NOTHING you've said has any VALIDITY at all.
I'm judging by your bold font that the numbers are not close enough for you to have an adjusted perspective. When you look at all the yearly deaths from whatever, you see these huge numbers. Huge. But we keep driving and we keep living our lives in spite of yearly pathogens. you seem to think that I was saying that Covid had fewer. I wasn't I'm saying that ALL the numbers are big. In the big picture, this is drop in the bucket.
How many people die "worldwide" all together every year on average? How does it compare to 2020?
Was Covid19 bad? Yeah sure. But not quite as bad as you act but bad. The numbers are only a little higher than many other standard worldwide killers. I don't see you calling for concentration camps for drug addicts nor for illegal immigrants whom are un-vaccinated. You are one of those types who stopped shouting about the death toll when it started dropping. Then you switched to number of new cases instead since the reduced fatalities didn't strike enough fear. Only now after a year do your type go back to death tolls now that the sum is high enough to alarm.
You know what the average age of death from Covid19 is? it's 78. 78 also happens to be the average life span in the United States.
How about a camp for the ones who are pants-shitting terrified of the virus? Then they can be certain that they are isolated from the irresponsible virus-murderers whom don't want the vaccines.
I'll get the vaccine ... a year or two from now. I'll be close to last in line while I watch the ones whom got it first. Meanwhile, I'll wear my science burka when I have to and wash my hands ... and remember the zealots at both extremes. Especially the self-deputized safety totalitarians.
when there is only 30,000 DEATHS a year here in the US from driving --
in comparison to 500,000 DEATHS from COVID --
still misses the MAIN POINT --
that one has a CHOICE of whether or not to DRIVE and RISK DEATH that way --
whereas one DOES NOT have that kind of a CHOICE whenever people REFUSE to be VACCINATED and then put others AT RISK of DEATH from COVID by making that CHOICE.
So HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE of other causes each year (whether WORLDWIDE or NATIONWIDE)
also has NOTHING to do with placing those who REFUSE to be VACCINATED into CAMPS as a way to PROTECT others from them.
AGAIN, NO ONE is calling for a CONCETRATION CAMP situation which is where NAZI's placed people that they EXTERMINATED.
What one has suggested is if GIVEN the CHOICE between being VACCINATED or being placed into a COVID CAMP, most people would probably CHOSE to be VACCINATED.
Because we also already REFUSE to let CHILDREN attend SCHOOL with other CHILDREN-- unless they've also first been VACCINATED -- as a way to PREVENT THEM from spreading other DISEASES.
And that's why it also MAKES SENSE to insist that others follow the same kind of RULES--
as a way to PROTECT other members of the PUBLIC from catching VARIATIONS of the VIRUS from them --
as the BODIES of the UNVACCINATED also act as HAVENS for the MUTATIONS of the COVID VIRUS.
And Your other FALSE ACCUSATION that one is a "TYPE" is also WITHOUT MERIT as well.
What one has suggested is if GIVEN the CHOICE between being VACCINATED or being placed into a COVID CAMP, most people would probably CHOSE to be VACCINATED.
Because we also already REFUSE to let CHILDREN attend SCHOOL with other CHILDREN-- unless they've also first been VACCINATED -- as a way to PREVENT THEM from spreading other DISEASES.]
And that's why it also MAKES SENSE to insist that others follow the same kind of RULES--
as a way to PROTECT other members of the PUBLIC from catching VARIATIONS of the VIRUS from them --
as the BODIES of the UNVACCINATED also act as HAVENS for the MUTATIONS of the COVID VIRUS.
You still don't seem to comprehend how the CAMPS would only be for those who REFUSE to get VACCINATED.
It's the same as the way KIDS who go to school are also FOCED to FIRST get VACCINATED so that they don't INFECT other KIDS with DISEASES.
Mar 04, 2020 · No US federal vaccination laws exist, but all 50 states have laws requiring children attending public school to be vaccinated against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (generally in a DTaP vaccine); polio (an IPV vaccine); measles and rubella (generally in an MMR vaccine); and varicella (chickenpox). …
So IF the same kind of LAWS are passed that say people also need to be VACCINATED to avoid being placed into a CAMP, then MOST people (probably the same PERCENTAGE as KIDS who've been VACCINATED) will probably also CHOSE to be VACCINATED rather than be placed into one.
If such LAWS are passed are you also saying that you'd CHOSE to go to a CAMP and still REFUSE to get VACCINATED???
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The problem is we're NEVER going to be RID of this damn VIRUS as long as others refuse to do what needs to be done to DEFEAT IT.
Because as long as it continues to keep SPREADING, then it will also continue to keep MUTATING and creating other NEW STRAINS that we don't have a VACCINATION yet for.
So the only way to STOP that from happening is for everyone to get VACCINATED (like the case was with SMALL POX).
Thus also making that the BEST MORAL POSITION.
But others are choosing to be SELFISH and not even bother to consider what their SELF CENTERED attitude does to others-- by keeping another HALF MILLION victims at risk of also loosing their lives because of them.
I'm not going to get vaccinated, and that's my right. We live in a free society. For one, getting vaccinated inst a miracle cure, it's not 100 percent. And there are no ways to know the long term problems the vaccine could cause to one's health. I have no problem with people getting vaccinated though. I just won't be lining up. But hey, I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut, I'll admit that.
Thank you for your HONEST reply (which is more than one seems to be able to get from others these days).
I was hoping someone would mention something about how we live in a FREE SOCIETY, because how does one deal with a situation like this where the FREEDOM of ONE PERSON can end up causing the FREEDOMS of lots of others to be INFRINGED upon by FORCING them to go back to being HELD HOSTAGE in their homes again by another SHUT DOWN again???
Not to mention how others could also lose their businesses again as well with another SHUT DOWN.
When the MAJORITY have their LIVES RUINED by a MINORITY is that FAIR???
Do you feel any remorse or responsibility at all for the way that what you do (or refuse to do) can cause us to have another SHUT DOWN again???
How could I feel remorse or responsibility for something I'm doing which I don't think is wrong?
You're the wackjob who wants to make injecting everyone in the world mandatory whilst simultaneously rounding up those who disagree and put them in concentration camps.
I prefer to live and let live. You should be the one taking a good hard look in the mirror mate.
You don't think it's WRONG to RUIN the lives of other people who could be INFECTED with the NEW STRAINS of the VIRUS because of your refusal to be VACCINATED???
When the VIRUS MUTATES that also means we end up right back where we started again with needing to SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING all over again.
Is that really what you want???
How much longer do you think they can HAND OUT MONEY to everyone to keep them from STARVING to death or going out of business???
According to DR. FAUCI, your "LIVE and LET LIVE philosophy" will result in still another HALF MILLION DEATHS again!!!
And no one said anything about a CONCENTRATION CAMP either (which is where people were sent to be MURDERED). No one is that suggesting anyone in the COVID CAMP would be KILLED. They would simply be kept there for the same reason as the JAPANESE were held in CAMPS during WW2 (as a way to keep the rest of the POPULATION safe and protected from them-- even though they also weren't even a threat to anyone at that time like the way the UNVACCINATED will be to the rest of us who are VACCINATED).
Cool story bro. I didn't shut everything down. I didn't cause mass hysteria. You are more part of the problem than I am. I don't know who Dr Fauci is and why you keep quoting him like it will change my mind.
During Friday’s White House COVID-19 Response Team Briefing, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the chief medical advisor to the President and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed the tools that are available in the battle against the COVID-19 mutations.
Yeah I'm not interested really. I understand how vaccines work and know how to do math. I'm just saying me personally, I'm not getting vaccinated. Not because I don't think it will work, but because I have a pathological distrust for the government. And I don't know what's in the vaccine. All your links and bully/shaming tactics won't change my mind.
And like I said before one also APPRECIATES your HONESTY whereas what one mostly gets from others is lots of SNARKY comments (about having a ROYAL DECREE issued when we aren't even a MONARCY).
Anyhow, What you seem to have overlooked is this question that was put forth:
I was hoping someone would mention something about how we live in a FREE SOCIETY, because how does one deal with a situation like this where the FREEDOM of ONE PERSON can end up causing the FREEDOMS of lots of others to be INFRINGED upon by FORCING them to go back to being HELD HOSTAGE in their homes again by another SHUT DOWN again???
And one also doesn't mean to SINGLE YOU OUT PERSONALLY, but to POINT OUT how we have a situation where 2 DIFFERENT GROUPS of INDIVIDUALS think that they're having their FREEDOMS IMPINGED UPON by another group.
Perhaps if we give people the CHOICE of either living inside of a COVID CAMP if they refuse to be VACCINATED -- or else getting VACCINATED if they don't want to live in a CAMP ---that would be a way to RESOLVE the matter???
Before one can go to SCHOOL, for example, one is also REQUIRED by LAW to first have a series of VACCINATIONS so that one doesn't SPREAD AROUND other DISEASES (measles, mumps, etc.) to others that one attends classes with at the school.
So it would pretty much be the same kind of a thing where one is either WELCOME to follow the RULES or else be EXCULDED from the rest of the POPULATION as a way to PROTECT THEM from you (not YOU PERSONALLY but anyone who would chose not to be VACCINATED).
So does that mean YOUR FREEDOM not to be VACCINATED means so much to you that you would CHOSE to LIVE inside of a COVID CAMP instead of in your OWN HOME if you were given a choice like that???
I suppose we'll never know the answer now that you've decided to leave???
For some reason one also gets the feeling that you would chose to be VACCINATED before you'd chose to live in the COVID CAMP???
Fauci is the renowned doctor who, having had ample time to write and practice his address to the nation, told everyone that the CDC (authority on diseases) and he did not recommend wearing masks as they do not effectively prevent to spread of disease. Then like an hour later he came back and said the opposite. So he is either a complete fuckup/incompetent or the long-standing scientific paradigm shifted in that one hour or he transformed from doctor into bureaucrat in that brief gap.
public health officials announce the first death in the United States from Covid-19, U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams orders Americans to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” in an all-caps message on Twitter, claiming they are “NOT effective in preventing [the] general public from catching coronavirus” and will deplete mask supplies for healthcare providers.
During an interview with 60 Minutes—an interview Trump and his allies cite as an example of when the doctor was wrong—Fauci says "there's no reason to be walking around with a mask,” though adds he’s not “against masks,” but worried about health care providers and sick people “needing them,”
So apparently it was said as a way to try to get people to STOP the DEPLETION of the SUPPLY of MASKS that healthcare providers needed more than the GENERAL PUBLIC did at that time.
"The TOTALITARINA MIND SET" is that group of Domestic TERRORIST who wanted to "HANG PENCE"" and "kill NANCY" on Jan 6th as a way to replace them with people who tried to claim that the VIRUS was a HOAX.
I'm obviously not one of them.
On the other hand, one could also imagine you sharing some of the same kind of views as they do about the VIRUS (such as wanting certain businesses to OPEN back up again too soon and not wanting to wear a MASK anymore).
On the news today they called attitudes like this COVID DENIALISM.
No, because what I want is for them to get VACCINATED so we don't end up having to WEAR MASKS for another year and be back to having to SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN again.
The vaccines for 'rona are not sterilising. No sterlising immunity means it is not like smallpox vaccine at all in its effect. So it's not the way you outline it at all. Please go and read up on this. Read even the official medical journals and official bodies acknowledge this.
The virus will be endemic. It'll never go away. Just like the flu or AIDS.
So imprisoning the world, or injecting everyone will not eradicate the virus.
Please learn more about the virus before you go into movie boards and try to convince people of your public policy ideas and infest this board with 'rona talk as the rest of the internet is infested with.
Please correct me if this is wrong, but I recall the HEAD DOC himself said in a PRESS CONFERENCE that if enough people are VACCINATED that will PREVENT the VIRUS from being able to MUTATE and produce these other VARIATIONS (like the ones from BRAZIL, UK, SOUTH AFRICA), because once we DEFEAT IT and it can't SPREAD anymore, then we win.
Dr. Fauci Says Do This to Avoid COVID Mutation Now
“A virus cannot mutate if it doesn't replicate and it replicates in an infected individual.”
Therefore, when there is a lot of community spread, a virus is more likely to evolve and mutate.
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And the more people we have who refuse to be VACCINATED also means we have MORE COMMUNITY SPREAD and therefore MORE NEW STRAINS of the VIRUS.
RIGHT???
And NEW STRAINS or VARIATIONS of it also means we could end up right back where we started again A YEAR AGO with another DAMN SHUT DOWN AGAIN.
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FAUCI AGAIN:
This is where vaccines come in, and why getting the vaccine is a crucial part of avoiding the mutated strain.
getting vaccinated is key in ending the mutation.
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These CAMPS were also NOT a suggestion for the rest of the WORLD (which also seems to be able to BEHAVE themselves better than we do here in the US ... where people have TEMPER TANTRUMS like a 2 YEAR OLD about having to wear a MASK).
Therefore the process of herd immunity is the process of asking for a death sentence via mutation. Have a look at the diseases of yore and how they panned out. They really have you spun up to maximum.
We're on the same page Terez due to the way I told a friend the same thing, only I said it was PLANET EARTH who is pissed at us and wants to GET RID of US to stop us from POLLUTING the place.
And each time the place GETS WARMER that also increases the risk of getting NEW VIRUSES that we would never have been exposed to otherwise.
The PLAGUE which wiped out 1/3 of the POPULATION of EUROPE in the MIDDLE AGES, for instance, was also a result of SHIPS moving about all over the GLOBE (the way we have AIRPLANES doing the same thing now). So we've also gone from having SHIPS as SUPERSPREADERS (which they still are now) to also having AIRPLANES doing the same thing in addition to ships.
And YES I also agree with what you say about how we're probably also like a VIRUS to the PLANET that's being CLEANED away by using a VIRUS to do so.
I have to agree, my original thoughts on this thread was that we never actually "locked down" despite there being a pandemic. Those ships and airplanes kept flying regardless of the risk of spreading the virus further. If everyone stayed in their homes for 2020, imagine both how much pollution it would have reduced and how much it would have halted the spread.
Instead we are greedy creatures and we opened up Disney World of all places, just a few weeks into a pandemic and we're right back to acting like nothing is going on. Why shouldn't Mother Nature be mad at us?
I also told my friend that the VIRUS would find a way to be COMING for US ALL.
And with others not willing to wear a MASK or get VACCINATED as a way to prevent the VIRUS from MUTATING, it looks like that PREDICTION is going to come to pass.
Have you seen the photos of some places where the POLLUTION was STOPPED and they could see the SKY for the first time in DECADES???
It also feels like we've been given a 2nd chance to change our ways but have BLOWN IT with certain others not willing to stop being so GREEDY to have their way.
So here we go again with still another SHUT DOWN coming up again???
The stories about the LONG HAULERS is also pretty FREAKY as well.
Those are the one's with the LONG-TERM EFFECTS from the VIRUS which include MEMORY LOSS, BLINDNESS, EXTREME FATIGUE, SHORTNESS of BREATH, etc.
This is definitely the most SPOOKY VIRUS that one has ever encountered before due to the way the symptoms are so different.
I love how they claim that "some symptoms COULD BE PERMANENT!" Like they somehow know that they won't go away. They have time traveling medical journalists.
That’s an absolutely terrible idea. We can’t assume all people are sick and what is the point of getting vaccinated if we won’t allow our bodies to become exposed to it...
You libtards claim you support freedom, but you want to create concentration camps so you can gas anyone who doesn't get a vaccine? If your vaccine is so effective then you're the only one who needs to take it. Take your vaccine so you don't need to be scared of a virus with a 0.02% chance of killing someone. We all know the real purpose of the vaccine is to implant radiochips inside us, and tag us so it's easier to control us, that's why you're moving to concentration camps now that we're refusing to be tagged.
no it won't. they recorded a record number of deaths today (2000) a year after the pandemic started. things are just starting to get bad there. it will take years and heaven knows how many deaths before it s over there.
Can't control a virus. Only control people. The virus is here to stay. Yeah, probably lots of deaths in Brazil but they will achieve herd immunity sooner than populations that have partial isolation. I'm not saying they are doing it right. I'm just saying that that is the way of nature.
Actually in the TEMPORARY COVID CAMPS that were set up in CHINA ---
as a way to prevent those who had it from SPREADING IT --
the CAMP INSTRUCTOR would also gather up those who were INFECTED and have them DANCE to MUSIC as a way to help keep the VIRUS from FILLING UP their LUNGS.
So YES there would most likely also be the kind of ACTIVITIES there in the COVID CAMPS that you've mentioned.
As you may also recall, CHINA was also the FIRST NATION to SUCCESSFULLY RECOVER from the VIRUS.
It's MOSTLY people here in the US who have GONE MAD.
That's also why the US had one of the HIGHEST COVID RATES of INFECTION in the world in comparison to other areas -- like SOUTH KOREA -- where their population was more willing to WEAR MASKS and to follow the other RULES that they were given as a way to prevent it from SPREADING the same way as it did here.
The problem with having a BAR is BOOZE COST MONEY, and how does one earn a living when one has been confined to a CAMP???
Therefore, it seems UNLIKELY that there'd be a BAR, because how can one run a business like that for people who can't pay for the BOOZE that one would try to sell them???