I’m not saying it means they deserve to be shot, but why in this climate or even before this whole thing would you ignore a cop and act in any way that could be interpreted as suspicious or threatening? Now it just seems like they are provoking them in order to further their agenda. I think police brutality and institutional racism are serious issues but this is only making things worse.
shareA better question to ask would be why police forces favor hiring such thin-skinned morons who are looking to live out a power fantasy where they can use excessive force on ostracized groups with almost total impunity.
shareI was hoping for an unbiased answer
shareAnd you got one. Too bad it wasn't what you hoped for.
A biased answer would be one that reinforces the preconceived notions evident in your premise.
That wasn’t an unbiased answer! And my “premise” is reality, these idiots are almost all acting like shitheads to begin with, these aren’t routine traffic stops. Again, none of them deserved to be killed but that’s a separate issue.
shareThe consistent patterns of reality show that cops are prone to act on knee-jerk instinct motivated by their training and established biases. Maybe if they were better trained in nonviolent de-escalation and not issued a gun with the suggestion to use it if they get scared, there would be fewer unjustified killings attributed to police. Think about it.
shareWOW...YOU MADE ME AGREE WITH MOVIEBUFF...SHAME ON YOU.
shareYou are so wrong in every post. It's Antifa/BLM who are the bad guys and causing all the trouble. It's all about politics and not what you wrongly believe.
shareFred, you'd best look up "Biased". Your entire post was a text-book example of it!
shareThere's no such thing as an unbiased answer, and no human being with beyond a cursory understanding of current events would expect one on this topic.
shareYour answer is an extreme example of an biased answer. Instead of answering the OP's question, you responded with another question to make clear your own opinion on a broader issue.
Despite the OP being MovieBuff, he actually does have a point. Here in the Netherlands similar things are happening, even though Dutch police isn't exactly known for the use of excessive force. During a protest a woman provoked police and afterwards pulled the race card. Turns out the whole incident was recorded and now she's the one who's going to be prosecuted.
I appreciate the attempts to understand the concerns expressed in previous posts. Perhaps I should preface my replies as neither a one size fits all answer nor a casting of judgement. I will, however, point out that the wording of the original question ignores a lot of social context. Should we ignore that? Should we ignore what's going on in the rest of the world?
Getting back to the movies, though: What's a movie you've liked recently?
Of course we shouldn't ignore what goes on in the rest of the world. That's why I offered my own perspective.
Seriously, if there was a movie I liked recently, I wouldn't even have clicked on this thread!
In Australia and especially in the state I live in Victoria, the Police force are very Left wing and started hiring only University graduates and then started taking more and more cops off the beat and putting them behind desks and using them for special communities.
They also started recruiting rather old people as well as rather small young people, especially women. I have seen cops now who really just look like teenagers with side arms.
The cops are also instructed to do fuck all against criminals. I would love cops like you have in the USA who actually arrest criminals.
I agree that a wide scale across the world exists amongst local law enforcement behavior between reasonable restraint and unmitigated violence. Americans tend to lean toward the latter.
shareI was surprised that kneeling on someone's neck is standard practice over there. I also always wonder what American cops are dealing to respond the way they do at times.
shareYes Burroughs, I do agree that is a much better question.
shareYou do know the VAST majority of cops aren't like that, don't you?
shareI think it's the other way around.
shareYou seriously think cops are going around egging people on so that they can justify killing them??
shareYes. I do.
shareInteresting. Do you think that's what happened to Jacob Barnes?
shareThe pitcher? I'm not familiar with the reference.
Feel free to school me. I've nothing to do.
Ha. I'm sure you know who I meant. Barnes used to pitch for the Brewers, when I followed them, which is why I guess my brain went with his name. I'm not trying to school you. Do you think that Blake was provoked by the police?
shareNo - seriously, I had to Google Jacob barnes. I'm at sea here. I haven't seen the news in ten days.
shareEh. I was about to write a reply explaining that I was obviously referring to Jacob Blake, who has been in the news a lot lately after being shot by police, and just wrote the name of someone with a similar name by accident, but what's the point?
shareOk. Jacob Blake. Sure looks like a shooting party to me. And I've only spent 2 minutes on the research.
shareThat’s just not logical, this supports the loony narrative that cops are bloodthirsty neo nazis hell bent on the genocide of black people. I think it goes something a little more like this:
Most cops are “good.” They go into these situations with no premeditated murder plans or even necessarily intent to engage in any sort of altercation, but prepared nonetheless. The victim is unpredictable, acts recklessly and puts everyone on edge and the cop(s) overreact. I believe there is obviously some racial bias, I have seen videos of white people resisting arrest and acting absolutely insane only to come out with not so much as a scratch, you can’t ignore this. THAT is the problem, and I think it’s a mixture of fear based on stereotypes which are somewhat rooted in reality (blacks do commit quite a bit more violent crime per capita) and unfortunately in many cases, downright racism.
In the cases of Floyd and many of the more prominent headliners, it was pretty cut and dry. I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with that. But many of the ones in between are not so simple, and it’s these that are driving the divide. At some point you have to question if it is really a problem that wants to be solved or to perpetuate victim hood, as in the case w Israel and Palestine.
If there are cops like that, the number is infinitesimal.
shareYou realize cops have families they want to go home to each night. Alive.
shareThat's something people forget about. Cops are human too. Every day a police officer's wife and children have to live with the notion that when he leaves for work in the morning, he might not come home that night...
...because he could be sleeping over at his girlfriend's.
Clearly he doesn't...
shareThey are taught and trained to resist being cooperative with the police. It's even worse now. Which is why we have encounters like this one. I saw a video today of two cops who had a similar encounter. The suspect managed to get into his car, though, pulled out a gun and shot the cops.
shareI thought most of them were taught NOT to resist arrest and be as cooperative as possible to avoid being killed. This is “the talk” everyone is referencing that black parents have to have with their children.
shareIf the BLM thugs succeed in defunding the Police and continue with their stupidity they can expect some real brutality when the Police are reinstated after the majority of people have enough of it all.
If we were talking about such a subject to each other face to face at a party, I would hold up my phone and say, "Hey, look at this!"
https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/ignp5i/he_puts_the_boogie_down_in_the_bronx_nsfw/
I cannot unsee this now, thanks 🤣
shareYes, most definitely. I saw it with my own eyes in the week after George Floyd's death.
shareOh yeah, many are I would say. But it seems the way society has gone. People seem to love being provocative to others. Again, I'm pretty sure the Frankenmonkey Steven Tyler and his freak show are to blame. All they've ever been about is being repulsive freaks of nature.
shareI feel like at this point cops are deliberately provoking the people. American police are violent trigger-happy racist goons who are happy for ANY excuse to shoot a black person, and the notion that a person could "provoke" them and that police should have the right to be able to summarily execute someone in the street for not "complying" is an idea so fascist in nature that I feel anyone expressing it would fit in well in Nazi Germany.
Also there's a politics forum for discussions like this.
"American police are violent trigger-happy racist goons who are happy for ANY excuse to shoot a black person"
🥴
You're out of your mind.
shareMotivation is key to answering this.
FACT
In the USA, if a suspect gets so much as a sprained ankle while dealing with police, he/she is looking at a cash payout settlement often exceeding $100,000 from the state.
If a police officer is cited with excessive force, he/she will face unpaid suspension, possible loss of job and/or prison time.
So who is more motivated to be belligerent?🤔
....and who is paid to act like a professional?
shareIn these poor communities, word spreads quickly of these payouts, even if the suspect is charged with assaulting a officer, they will still be paid from the state.
Don't worry, cops will turn into security guards soon. They will be too afraid of being the next YouTube highlight.
There are already videos of cops just standing like bystanders while two people duke it out.
I can't speak for all poor communities, but in the poor communities I've been in, there is little tension between the police and the citizens.
The police understand the people are doing what they have to for survival. The people understand the police are doing what they can to keep their communities safe by dealing with tragedies like shootings and domestic violence.
People aren't trying to get payouts at the expense of the cops. Many are trying to avoid getting arrested for the illegal activities they are involved in that puts food on the table for their families.
It's worth mentioning the majority of the cops and the citizens are the same race, so racial tensions and stereotypes aren't a factor.
There is also another factor that comes into play, but is little talked about.
The Facebook/camera effect on human behavior.
While smart phone recording can put in check aggressive police behavior, it CAN have a opposite effect on people dealing with police.
The person of interest KNOWS that they are being recorded, he knows that this is going to go in someone's Facebook page to be viewed by their peers. What can be the result?
The suspect or object of police attention does not want to appear weak in front of their peer group. The result 'tough guy' belligerence.
A simple 'yes sir/no sir' will make that person appear weak in their community. This is not good for the reputation of a young man of color with the ladies.
Wow, you consider this a factor?
I have never been a yes sir/no sir person when it comes to the police or anyone else. Not because I'm afraid to appear weak, but because I speak up if I feel something is wrong. This should not be a reason to get mistreated by the people that are getting paid to protect and serve me and everyone else.
If you really believe there are people that risk getting arrested or brutalized to make a good impression on the ladies, I can't prove you are wrong.
However, it doesn't change my opinion that cops should act in a professional manner when dealing with these people or anyone else.
Some women love the bad boys😉.
Ain't it the truth. It's a shame when they get shot in the face for trying to impress us.
share'Yes sir/no sir' = no pussy.
Yes sir/no sir= no personality
shareYes! Young black men know this and is why they give static to the police.
It is a fine line though, you have to give enough static to maintain 'street cred' with the ladies, but not go overboard and make a move (like stealing a cops taser) and get shot
Lol, c'mon kid. Don't pretend to know about street cred. If people are trying to act badass to impress other people in front of police, that's on them. No one "in the street" would be impressed by this because they are dealing with situations far more serious than trying to gain street cred.
Check out this movie clip, a funny example of how the male psyche works.
https://youtu.be/7qqN21WfQOI
While impressing the ladies might not be the only factor, trust me (as guy) the way we look towards the opposite sex is in the mind of every young man who deals with the police.