I’d ask at the sports board here at MC, but that board is as dead as an orgy for germ-freaks during COVID ....plenty of sports fans here, just wondering if any like combat sports....I know New York 7 has mentioned a fight to me before and bigbadwolf666 drops in every now and then— is there anyone else that digs the action in the squared circle?....what are some of your favorite fights of the past? I normally don’t advertise or glorify this brutal sport but I thought, screw it, I’m bored, I’m curious, and I just watched my yearly fix of one of my faves, the best three rounds in boxing history, IMHO....
It’s tough to be a fan now, politics, alphabet belts and other behind the scenes shenanigans make it tough to follow....and like everything else, with COVID it’s tough to care if it ever comes back to do it right....Still, there is something about one-on-one competition that team sports don’t provide....
I used to be a long term fan of the fine science. I gradually grew more and more disenchanted by corrupt behind the scenes BS and (or by way of) absolutely horrible judging. The final straw for me was a Pacquiao fight in Australia some years ago. After that first Triple G vs Canelo fight, I was ready to hang up the towel. But then it just kept getting worse.
My favorite fight was probably De La Hoya vs Macho Camacho. My wife and I had wanted to watch the fight but a friend of mine had his wedding scheduled with zero regard for our boxing needs. Fortunately, the bar next to the reception had it on a tv. Perhaps better fights but seeing Camacho lose the fight (and lose a side bet to boot) and the setting makes it my fave.
That Hagler Hearns fight sure brings back memories. Great era. It was nice that boxing was just on regular tv on a Saturday.
We were watching MMA for a long while during our boxing twilight but never preferred it. Now we are MMA freaks (wife even practices Jujitsu now). We watch UFC every weekend that it is on. I don't even miss boxing now.
Yeah, I always felt the Horn outcome was a way to squeeze out a rematch and another good payday for Pac and Top Rank....but Pacquiao wasn’t having it and it was soon after that he got fed up with Arum’s bullshyt and broke from him....
It’s tough to overlook the bullshyt boxing puts a fan through, so not watching would solve that problem, but I keep coming back so that’s on me....
That De La Hoya/Camacho matchup went as expected...similar to when Macho faced the great Julio Cesar Chavez, he just went into survival mode after feeling some power shots....Camacho’s feet and ring savvy allowed him to last all 12 in both, though a close-to-his-prime Chavez put even more of a beating on him then did The Golden Boy....
I can dig some MMA, specifically the UFC, but I’m a casual so I prefer the bigger names...I started watching back in 08-09ish, “Spider” Silva, Liddell, Ortiz, Matt Hughes, GSP, Dan Henderson, “Rampage” Jackson, Couture and the like were around back then and all were exciting (yes, even St. Pierre could be exciting at times)...what I see now with as little as I watch is lots of grappling, and because I don’t have the background for MMA it’s hard for me to appreciate that strategy...still, if Jon Jones is on, I’ll always watch, and to a lesser degree, Amanda Nunes, which is funny because I’m not big on women’s combat sports...but there’s no doubt, she is damn good....
I've learned a lot from the announcers. They are pretty good at explaining the grappling, what each fighter needs to do to improve their position, etc. It's just my impression, but I've actually found that it's moved more toward striking over the years.
That’s cool, that’s certainly okay to feel that way, but at least you’re aware that you’re in the minority...I didn’t think it was that close, Horn mucked it up and fought a little dirty at home and wasn’t called on it, and it’s unfortunate when judges score blood, especially blood that doesn’t necessarily come from punches....but Pacquiao had his chances to end it with a KO, but Mr Nice Guy settled in and trusted Arum too much by thinking Uncle Bob had him covered....
I really enjoy the various fighting sports though I don't follow any names or rankings
If I happen across a boxing bout or UFC/MMC match I'll usually watch for awhile
The strength, strategy, speed and guts these athletes have is more than simply impressive
I was a pretty big fan back in the day. Less now, I don´t follow every fight or fighter. A few of my favourite fights are Oscar De La Hoya v Ike Quartey and Bowe-Holyfield 1. One of the best recent fights was Anthony Joshua v Wladimir Klitschko. That said, I don´t have many favourite fights per se, I tend to follow certain boxers more. I am looking forward to the upcoming Tyson-RJJ fight even though its an exhibition. If its taken seriously, I genuinely fear for Roy Jones.
I just read a brief interview with Junior, he is NOT talking any smack...to paraphrase, 'I've got to be ready for whichever Mike Tyson shows up that night because if Mike decides to turn it on for 5 seconds nobody can save you'
Those three fights were all very good, B-slate...De La Hoya/Quartey was so close I would’ve been okay with a decision either way, “Bazooka” Ike did some good work on The Golden Boy....Bowe/Holyfield I was arguably the most competitively great heavyweight championship fight since the Thrilla in Manila, which was a long stretch of time....The Real Deal looked real good, but Big Daddy showed up in great shape and gave the greatest performance of his career...the last three rounds, especially the 10th, good stuff...Joshua/Klitschko had the electricity of a big fight and it definitely delivered a power surge of good action when the big punches starting flying, and it was a good finishing job by AJ.... Dr. Steelhammer probably gained more respect in that loss than in any of his numerous wins and title defenses....
I’d probably watch Tyson/RJJ, but it’s such a interesting commentary on boxing that these two older guys are more compelling than the “stars” of today....what’s funny is there was a chance for that matchup to happen back in 2003 after Jones won an alphabet strap from heavyweight titlist John Ruiz...if RJJ would’ve took his shot there against Tyson —who was down for the matchup because at that point Tyson was just about paydays — he would’ve had a chance against a diminished and disinterested Iron Mike....As we both know, he instead chose to return to 175 and totally screw with his body and looked sluggish in winning a split decision against Antonio Tarver....Jones was never the same again as the weight loss definitely affected him, and as we again know, was brutally knocked out in 2 of the rematch against the Magic Man, and then lost the rubber match to Tarver also....As Floyd Mayweather can tell you, the timing of fights and matchmaking are huge in boxing, and somewhat surprisingly, the veteran Jones found that out the hard way.... but back to today; I’m like you, I think it could be a mess for RJJ if this comes off, power is still there for Tyson, if for only a short period of time...exhibitions are different in other sports, but in boxing punches are still thrown, so unless there’s some sort of agreement between the two to let up —which I don’t see with these two proud fighters— this has the potential to be bad for someone...this isn’t Holyfield vs. Mitt Romney or Tonya Harding vs. Paula Jones, this is a matchup of former champs, even if both are past their respective primes...
there's a memorable fight between mickey ward & alphonzo sanchez where ward just covers up and rope-a-dopes round after round, the announcers are on him for being a bum and ducking the fight. then in the last round he lands a liver shot, winning the fight, and making the announcers like very foolish. its hilarious :
Good stuff there, J-Riles, I didn’t see it live but I’ve watched it a few times....Ward wasn’t the flashiest and definitely wasn’t the most talented, but he was a gamer, a true workman-like pro, and of course, his determined grit and back story made for an interesting film treatment ....
I recently re-watched Ali v Frazier 1-3, Frazier v Foreman, Ali v Foreman, Ali v Spinks 1-2, and Tyson v Holyfield. Incredible fights that I had not seen in ages. I also watched Fury v Wilder 1-2 which was entertaining, but nothing like the old days.
I know it's the least significant fight in the bunch, but I think my favorite was probably Ali v Frazier 2. Both those guys went full speed the entire fight, it was incredible to watch. They only went 12 rounds, but I wish it was 15 to see who would have came out on top.
Ali/Frazier II, the only non-title scrap of the trilogy....very good fight, just indicative of the overall rivalry in total, which was put so perfectly before the third fight by a reporter whose name escapes me : “These two aren’t just fighting for the championship of the world, they’re fighting for the championship of each other...”....greatest and most compelling boxing trilogy in history....
I really enjoyed the drama of Ali v Spinks 1-2 as well. Major upset for Spinks and Ali just looked and sounded exhausted and broken during the post-match interview on the mic after the first match. Then he comes back and out dances him and dominates the rematch!
i saw leon fight at the fieldhouse in camp lejeune when we were in the marines.
almost met him, had a friend on the team, but leon was out of town.
we're both from st. louis, and he'd already won the panamerican games,
so i was disappointed at missing him.
you could hear his punches land way up in the cheap seats. built a lot
like tyson, lean and hard. not a huge guy. just a huge puncher.
Good stuff, J-Riles, I like hearing/reading stories like yours...an older friend of mine who served in the Marines was stationed in Florida, I think, with Ken Norton....so yeah, it’s good to hear those type of stories about these pros as they were coming up...It’s too bad about today’s amateur system, and the service used to be a good springboard for the Olympics and a possible professional career in the states....now, the only guy i can think of is 130-lb titlist Jamel Herring, who actually saw time in Fallujah...
That’s cool that you have pic....Like any man, Ali had his flaws, but he was a man of principles, and he stood by them despite the problems it caused him personally and professionally....