i am always in contact with most recreational drugs on a weekend to weekend basis.but have recently had an epiphany that i want to stop taking hard drugs{not weed/mushrroms/acid} and cut back on drinking. im not saying i do drugs all the time cause i legit dont anymore. But i guess what im asking is what do people who are used to the intoxication and what not...what do you do?.. instead of drugs...
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgoXZDA7ig
good luck
shareI don't think drinking large amounts of rum, beer and wine is a terrible idea but I'm not a doctor, I only play one on TV
The drugs are probably best avoided, who knows what they put in that stuff
Weed is awesome though...it's great but I had to quit
*as a kind reminder let's all go to the Liquor Store and Cig Shack today and load up, these places are closing down very soon God help us all
Gasoline seems like something You'll want soon too!
i mean drinking is my bread and butter, and weed used to be, i mean i still love weed but not as much as i used to. and the hard drugs, as of 3 to 4 weeks ago i have completely quit, as in will never do again. i just reached a realisation. Like a switch flipped. I will never quit drinking ( i mean one step at a time please cunts) but meth, coke and mdma are never again. But LSD, mushrooms, DMT, im fine with cause they non addictive, no life destroying drugs.
shareI quit going to the pain clinic in February. Best thing I've done in 10 years ;)
But God, I love stinky green.
It's getting much harder to find shrooms, it's been a few years now. I miss it ;(
i wait till it rains and stroll down to to the cow paddock near my house and pick as many mushies as i need
shareSurprisingly, the liquor stores around here aren't having supply issues like the grocery stores, but I still stocked up on a few cases of Narragansett Lager just as a precaution.
shareI just enjoy and celebrate being clear headed and enjoy life with full mental capability. Unimpaired life is REAL life. :)
shareall life is real life.
shareDrugs and alcohol filter out and deaden a LOT of it.
shareI mean for sure, but being sober has its drawbacks and limitations.
shareWhat would they be?
sharejust when it comes to expanding the mind, and questioning what is put forth in front of you. im my experience, a sober mind is a conformist mind. it sees the world in a more black and white , right and wrong type situation.
shareDrugs can temporarily expand the capabilities of the mind and give novel perspectives that can be very useful. This is difficult territory to give another person helpful advice on, because it tends to be so subjective and personal. I'll simply suggest this: A sober mind is only as conformist and limited as it has been cultivated to be. A person who has surfed the outer frontiers of the mind and perception has a great advantage in life, IF they can learn to tap into the lessons those experiences have given them. If not, they will be a burden and a waste. Many chronically drug addled and addicted people who think themselves more free than the sober are actually much more limited and imprisoned.
Anywhere the mind and perception is capable of going, the sober mind is capable of attaining. Think of it like this analogy: when you're on psychedelics, mentally it's like a personal trainer or yoga instructor is holding you up into wild and difficult positions. Then when you try to access them on your own, you feel you lack the strength and capability. But if you only ever get to those positions by being propped up by an outside force, you're never really doing them—you remain weak and dependent, and the net benefit is very little. If on the other hand you take that boost as a guide and do the work on yourself to build that strength and dexterity, you will be able to get there, with no assistance—sober. Take the lessons of wisdom substances deeply to heart, cultivate the powers of your sober consciousness and you will rise in ability and freedom of mind beyond even your teachers.
In so many words it is easy to forget. What good is an epiphany if it is instantly forgotten and swept under the rug?
shareThat and also, there are ways of cultivating the powers, elasticity, clarity and focus of one's own sober mind to a point that drugs become all but irrelevant. The sober states from one person to the next are not created equal—so to speak, we are somewhere on the spectrum of "vibrational frequency", and access to higher states is within anyone's reach if they'll focus on attuning themselves. I say this as someone who is not at all against drugs or in any way moralizing about it. They are tools and teachers as useful as any in the right context, and I've benefitted from them a great deal. For me it was a personal journey through syncretic study and practice of mystical traditions and the occult that transformed me, among many other things from a total "head" to a totally sober person today. I can't recommend what I went through to anyone else, least of all being that it's a total lifestyle that no one is going to take up on a whim of a recommendation, but a simple thing that I would suggest to anyone looking to unlock their potential and maybe break out of less than constructive cycles of any kind, is to investigate meditation, and consider adopting a daily practice. Basic zazen (Zen meditation) is a great starting point. If you pursue it, your life will tend toward ascent in many ways.
shareim not saying drugs are the only way to unlock being free from ones 'body'lack of a better word, quite the opposite. times i have felt most free have been sober.but i find it hard to articulate how it feels to be free. so anything i say seems to come off as druggie or unworthy of further examination. spirituality be damned.
shareBelieve me, I understand. Psychs are useful tools. If you’re looking for a solution to what a sober person can do instead of drugs, my number one recommendation is without a doubt, a basic meditation practice. Forget about it even having anything to do with “spirituality”. Very concretely, it’s a simple practice that any earthling can do, that will yield very tangible benefits.
sharedo you know much about astral projection and so forth
shareLol... Yes. Lucid dreaming and astral projection were what started my interest in esotericism. The Bon Buddhist practice of Yoga Nidra was my core jam for many years, which lead me to Thelema, and then elsewhere from there. I spent a good chunk of my 20s "doing magick" on the "astral plane". The problem of talking about this stuff is of course in the woo-woo terminology. As soon as you say something like astral projection people think you're talking fantasy balogna nonsense. There is a real phenomenon behind the terminology. It's a huge subject and not one most people will be willing or able to discuss—they're usually either too skeptical to be scientific and thoughtful about it, or too gullible and whimsical and tend to overshoot the reality of it. Is that something you're into?
sharemost definitely, i have been able to lucid dream since i was fairly young around 13 or 14, and astral projection only a few times, but mostly its hard to do cause i get scared and kinda get sucked back in. if that makes sense.
shareDefinitely. In Bon tradition, dream yoga is practiced not for the purpose of fun and curiosity, but as a training for moving through the bardos in full consciousness in physical death. The crux of "astral projection" is overcoming egoic attachment to physical embodiment, and that is easily the core fear of any living person. It's a death experience.
Those who've written about astral projection usually talk about projection transpiring into one of a number of 'layers' of the "astral plane" in one way or another. At its most basic, astral projection is nothing more than seamlessly transitioning into a lucid dreaming state in full awareness.
If you're looking for some inspirational material, check out the book The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep, by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. That's where it started for me, and it all begins with basic meditation.
do you get the buzzing in your ears just before it happens?
shareAbsolutely. Typically it feels something like this: You reach a point in the trance state where bodily sensation is annihilated into an endless field of warm "fuzz". As with each breath the grip of physicality is released further, the field of fuzz becomes indistinguishable from a psychoacoustic (quasi-auditory) "carrier wave", (all sensation blends into one vibratory phenomenon,) and everything peaks into a sharp "static". If you can release from that state (out through the "ajna chakra", counterpoised through the "middle pillar",) the static peaks out like pins and needles into infinity, everything rushes out into the void, there is a momentary annihilation, and then you are in the lucid dream world.
LMAO how this must sound to the folks at home right now.
articulating what i want to say is to hard haha.
shareso do you consider astral projection/traveling just lucid dreaming ?
Lol, well we're getting right about to the limits of what can be properly addressed in this particular venue and format... But, yeah this is why the terminology is always an issue. This is a tough subject to talk about because it remains outside of what the formal sciences have methods and vocabulary for documenting, and those who seem to have investigated and documented it most thoroughly have tended to couple their work into one spiritual tradition or worldview or another that has its own terms and obfuscating agendas, which will make it impenetrable to the secular skeptical lens.
so do you consider astral projection/traveling just lucid dreaming ?
i mostly fall asleep straight into what most would call rem sleep, i can almost and do live completelyliveother lifes separate to my own as i experience it in this physical realm
sharei wasnt done typing but my computer just sent it but i guess it pretty much says what i was thinking
shareso hard to explain all this shit through typing
shareIt's interesting what is denied to the closed mind.
shareI find that it's exactly opposite, for me. Drugs/alcohol were very limiting and added nothing positive to my life. I never grew as a person. That said, a LOT of people have absolutely no interest in personal growth and I find that it's the users/addicts who are mostly at a stand still or even regression. Drugs and or alcohol make one able to not have to deal with the rawness of their own emotions, experiences, etc. I know it's cliche to say that it's a crutch, but it truly is. When people learn how to live, process and react to the life experience, un-filtered, they will have achieved a higher plane of existence than any substance can provide. I've been clean and sober for many years and I'd never go back to impairing myself. Facing each new day with 100% of my faculties, is exhilarating and joyous! :)
sharei respect that so much and i truly agree that most people would be happy sober...but...im not there yet, i for sure have my demons, never have i ever said i am truly happy. but my sobriety or lack thereof, should in no way detract from the healing benefits, of say mushrooms, lsd , lsa marijuanan.
shareWe'll have to agree to disagree about healing benefits, my friend.
I hope you find what you are looking for. :)
Clint says no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-0OeOFuNXs
I’ve been on a lot of spiritual quest and parties. I never got into the junkie scene like crack or heroin. Everything else though, I’ve ingested, smoked, or snorted. Weed isn’t even a drug. It actually helps you quit other drugs. Drinking is probably the gateway, so quitting drinking helps to not get the cravings. Other than that...food, weed, sex, and cigarettes help kick the other habits.
shareWeed most definitely is a drug.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
I think the OP means its a rather benign substance compared to hard drugs. I mean technically, anything psychoactive that affects the brain is a drug. Hell, caffeine is a drug, but that doesn't mean coffee can't be consumed is a responsible manner.
About that link, I hardly trust the Government on this subject, considering they still have cannabis listed as a Schedule 1 Drug alongside heroin. Its 2020 and they're still exhibiting Reefer Madness despite 67% of Americans favoring legalization. Legalize and regulate it like we do with the much more harmful substance, alcohol.
As is alcohol, but I'll never understand why almost every comment here says "Drugs AND Alcohol"
shareBig trucks, big guns, Harley Davidsons, fast cars and fast women. And drugs...
shareI live in Australia we have slow women. And...drugs
shareThat's funny stuff ;)
Don't come to the US, it'll ruin you for sure!
they wldnt let me in, even pre corona virus
shareWow. Must be carrying serious baggage for an ally to be denied entry, brother.
sharecriminal record, dosent matter how tame it may be.
shareThat sucks. I spent my fair time in jail. I got very lucky and got never got busted for anything bad. I managed to repay favors done for me by growing up. Mostly.
sharei never did anything violent just young dumb stuff, drugs, bne's , regular shit for the place i was.
shareSame here. Basically drinking and fighting lol
shareyeah anything bad i did involved drinking, you would think i wld have learned
shareThe old joke - How many potheads have been busted robbing stores and mugging people?
Now apply that to almost any other drugs including alcohol.
Y'know what bothers me is the people who condemn, well, Anything without bothering to investigate themselves, instead parroting the same old propaganda of the last 80-100 years.
yeah and apply that to pretty much any other kind of behaviour as well , we have a society full of people who have no idea what the fuck is going on from one moment to the net
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