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The Covid-19 Virus Is Something No Living Person Has Experienced! You Can Catch It From An Infected Person Who Has No Symptoms!

From The CDC:

Updated PPE recommendations for the care of patients with known or suspected COVID-19:
Based on local and regional situational analysis of PPE supplies, facemasks are an acceptable alternative when the supply chain of respirators cannot meet the demand. During this time, available respirators should be prioritized for procedures that are likely to generate respiratory aerosols, which would pose the highest exposure risk to HCP.
Facemasks protect the wearer from splashes and sprays.
Respirators, which filter inspired air, offer respiratory protection.
When the supply chain is restored, facilities with a respiratory protection program should return to use of respirators for patients with known or suspected COVID-19. Facilities that do not currently have a respiratory protection program, but care for patients infected with pathogens for which a respirator is recommended, should implement a respiratory protection program.
Eye protection, gown, and gloves continue to be recommended.
If there are shortages of gowns, they should be prioritized for aerosol-generating procedures, care activities where splashes and sprays are anticipated, and high-contact patient care activities that provide opportunities for transfer of pathogens to the hands and clothing of HCP.
Included are considerations for designating entire units within the facility, with dedicated HCP, to care for known or suspected COVID-19 patients and options for extended use of respirators, facemasks, and eye protection on such units. Updated recommendations regarding need for an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR).

*Patients with known or suspected COVID-19 should be cared for in a single-person room with the door closed. Airborne Infection Isolation Rooms (AIIRs) (See definition of AIIR in appendix) should be reserved for patients undergoing aerosol-generating procedures (See Aerosol-Generating Procedures Section)*

Updated information in the background is based on currently available information about COVID-19 and the current situation in the United States, which includes reports of cases of community transmission, infections identified in healthcare personnel (HCP), and shortages of facemasks, N95 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) (commonly known as N95 respirators), and gowns.
Increased emphasis on early identification and implementation of source control (i.e., putting a face mask on patients presenting with symptoms of respiratory infection).

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Oh, hell no!

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Relax. This is most likely just slightly more aggressive than the yearly flu. Don't fall for the hysteria. People should be far more worried by what this does to our economy, closing borders and countries down like they do now.

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I agree! I heard a possible 1 million job loss. We have to be very concerned about this virus, but this will pass. Were heading to who knows where regarding the economy. What frightens me about this virus is the air borne effect. A person can be infected, not know it and pass it on. I’m getting on a plane tomorrow. Who will be sitting around me...do they have it? We are informed to keep a 6 foot distance. How to do on a plane?

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wear a mask

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A mask doesn’t help. Facemasks protect the wearer from splashes and sprays. The air borne spores can infiltrate a standard mask. An N-95 Respirator Mask is needed.

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Can you get N95’s?

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You can get N99 on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mouth-Mask-Anti-Dust-Respirator-Breath-N99-Odor-Pollution-Running-Sports-Maska-/184159358796

Well, you could get them! I’m always a day late and a dollar short! 🤦🏼‍♀️

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Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and tiny viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/face-mask-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked

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“If you are NOT sick: You do not need to wear a facemask unless you are caring for someone who is sick (and they are not able to wear a facemask). Facemasks may be in short supply and they should be saved for caregivers.”

“Put distance between yourself and other people if COVID-19 is spreading in your community. This is especially important for people who are at higher risk of getting very sick.”

In other words a person can be non-symptomatic and be infected which can spread to you. It’s the unknown with this virus. Usually when a person gets the flu s/he is aware of it almost immediately. S/he may not know it’s the flu, but there is a blah feeling. 🥴

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Agreed. It's like there are some powerful folks out there who are very eager to make a buck off the destruction of our world economy???

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"The Covid-19 Virus Is Something No Living Person Has Experienced! You Can Catch It From An Infected Person Who Has No Symptoms!"

How about the Black plague? Or the Spanish flu?

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Are they still living? 1347-1351 Black Plague? If so, vampires

Spanish Flu-1918 Some could still be living; 102 years ago

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Lol.

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As long as you're not elderly or immunosuppressed, it's not much more dangerous than the flu, it sounds like.

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Coronavirus is 10x deadlier than the flu. Young healthy people can become seriously ill or die from it although that's less common. I was recently told about a young healthy man in his 30s on a respirator.

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Where are you getting that number? Most estimates I've seen for the mortality rate Corona are very rough because we don't know how many people go undiagnosed.

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Correction. The World Health Organization has increased the figure to 3.4% death rate. The flu has 0.1% death rate.

Don't forget, we have no immunity to the brand new Coronavirus. The flu has been around for thousands of years so we have an immunity to that and it has a vaccine.

Another problem is if too many people become sick at the same time, there won't be enough respirators, medical doctors or hospital beds to treat them which translate to more deaths.

An aside: A cashier at my supermarket was coughing. It occurred to me that cashiers have been exposed to the virus by their many customers and in turn likely exposed other customers. We are so screwed, pardon my French.

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It won't be that high because we won't be testing 100% of the population. Those people who have contracted the virus, but show either little or no symptoms are unlikely to even realise that they have had it. Here are some examples: -

Idris Elba has got it and has confirmed that he has no symptoms whatsoever. The only reason he got tested was because he attended a function where there was another person, who was a confirmed case. If it hadn't been for this, he would have had no idea that he even had it.

At Arsenal football club, the manager Mikel Arteta and a couple of the squad have contracted the virus, however, they have reported that it's no more than a cough and a sniffle. In normal circumstances they wouldn't have been tested and again, wouldn't even know that they had had it.

So, in real terms it's 3.4% of the confirmed cases (not including the unconfirmed cases). But how many people have slipped through the net? We will never know the true figure.

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As of the time I'm writing this there are overall 244,427 confirmed cases and 10,009 deaths. That's 4.09%

It depends on how successful each region is at containing this virus. Deaths in South Korea are lower than Italy because their policies were efficient. The U.S. policy is closer to Italy's than South Korea's which could be disastrous because not everyone will have access to a lifesaving ventilator. That's why so many in Italy have died.

Idris Elba and those athletes are in peak physical condition. I wouldn't compare them to the average overweight couch potato American with diabetes or other medical problem.

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But, what about the unconfirmed cases? ie those that have had it without realising. Because not everyone will get tested, we will never know the true percentage.

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Let's deal with facts which were in the CDC stats.

You're in serous denial about the seriousness of this illness. Trump downplayed the seriousness of this illness too and the result is ruinous for millions who have lost their jobs and businesses. Retirement funds have lost 30% of their value. And lives that will be lost!


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I wasn’t trying to cause an argument. I’m not in denial and appreciate the seriousness of a virus that kills. I run a Financial Consultancy and so I am fully aware of the economic impact on both pensions and investments.

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What are my top 3 stocks to invest in:)

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You’ll have to make an appointment, lol.

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Understood.

Not a good field to be in during this meltdown. I assume plenty of angry and scared clients when they receive their financial statement this month.

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Believe it or not, we haven’t had one panicked call yet. All our clients appear quite sanguine about it. Most of them have gone through similar episodes in the past (dot com bubble, 9/11, banking crisis) and know that their only option is to baton down the hatches and ride out the storm.

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or better yet, dry powder at the ready for a big buying opportunity

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Yes, we’ve had a few clients adding to their investments or topping up their pensions.

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I'll stick with Amazon stock it hasn't steered me wrong in the last 3 years , and I'm guessing will look pretty sweet after this.

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We’re pretty boring and don’t advise on investing in direct or individual shares, as it’s too high risk. We much prefer diversification through Portfolio Managers.

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Yes but...Amazon. Its the #1 stock out there. I feared the stock market after multiple blunders until I bought and rebought this stock for the last 5 years. Nothing but profit.

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That’s super, no appointment necessary then, lol.

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Thanks its not rocket science. I made a rule if I don't use it I don't buy the stock. I've owned Starbucks, Target, JcPenney..Sold that one at the right time but I still believe in them.

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Your clients are probably more sophisticated than most. My coworkers tend to be clueless about what's going on until they receive their financial statement and eventually sell just before it rises again.

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I always say to prospects, “On a long haul flight, you’re going to experience turbulence. When that happens all you can do is order a stiff drink and wait it out. If however, every time there’s turbulence, you keep trying to grab a parachute and jump out the plane, then you shouldn’t be flying.”

If we come across someone that’s overly anxious about investing, we tell them not to do it.

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"Senator Sold Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars in Stocks After Suggesting U.S. Was Prepared for Coronavirus"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-stocks.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=295515278&imp_id=48804095&action=click&module=Most%20Popular&pgtype=Homepage

It's not a level playing field.

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Not true! It’s hitting the 20- 60 age group. You need to check your facts! In the county I’m currently in there are 7 infections, 20-54 age group.

Miami-Dade County, 43 cases/18-80 age

Tampa Area, 9 cases/17-49

Finally, did you not see the health officials state the onus is on the Millennials. It’s either going to continue to be spread by them or be stopped by them. They think they are invincible!

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I never said younger people were immune. I said it hasn't been dangerous for the vast majority of them.

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They get it and bring it home to their older parents and grandparents. Young people are not thinking straight.

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You are correct, android. Like always, it's the media spinning things. In a few months we're going to look back on this all embarrassed and pretend like it never happened.

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475 died within 24 hours in Italy because their medical resources are overwhelmed. Mass graves in Iran. Millions not working. -33 stock market dive.

You are in denial.

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Stratego, are you saying all these precautions taking place across the globe to slow this down is not warranted? What if every country’s health care systems were overwhelmed? In Italy during 16-17 were there enough ventilators when 25k people died in a year?

I’m not being argumentative. I’m just curious what you think.

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It's a new kind of virus and there isn't a vaccine yet, so of course it's fine to take precautions. But a lockdown??? The fact that virtually no young and healthy people have died from this virus says more than enough.

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Those "young and healthy' don't mind bringing it home and killing their parents and grandparents?

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So all those parents are elderly and unhealthy??? Not visiting your grandparents when there's a (yearly) flu epidemic is always a good precaution. Of course, you're being a moron like always and misconstruing what I said. Now go away, you creepy and racist stalker.

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You're projecting like always.

"40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54"
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5e73f51321d3fb04a38c7cb6/40-of-US-Patients-Hospitalized-Are-Age-20-to-54

And you're delusional and in denial.

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Ooh, seems you've got yourself a girlfriend in the mod squad!

And again you're misconstruing what I said. EVERYBODY can get the Corona virus, just like the common flu.

Your numbers mean nothing if you don't have the stats for the common flu to compare. Last year 43% of patients who were hospitalized were younger than 64. The Corona stats are hardly shocking if you consider it's a new virus without a vaccine. Add to that the mass hysteria and of course the numbers are slightly higher.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

You're a creepy, racist stalker. Volidioot.

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Almost all of those deaths are elderly people or people with pre-existing medical conditions. In the winter of 2016/2017 25000 people died from the common flu in Italy. They just have a higher mortality rate because they have so many old people.

You are a creepy, racist stalker. Volidioot.

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Why the sudden panic? This isn't anything you didn't already know, Ksp.

If it's about your impending flight, you do have the option of canceling (thankfully you have insurance) and renting a car.

Panicking isn't going to do you any good. Even modern medicine has finally wised up and realises stress is the cause of many diseases, and it suppresses our immune systems. The more you can do to relax, the better off you'll be.

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There’s no sudden panic. Just putting things into perspective. Knowledge is a wonderful thing. I’m cool! I’m cool! 💁🏼‍♀️

Renting one way is typically more expensive than renting round trip. Your price is broken out into different components: the daily rate (a.k.a. time and mileage), taxes and fees, and a one-way drop charge. Also, I’m not able to drive straight thru any longer. I have to stop over night. Funds for all of this is limited.

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These are recommendations for ICU staff, not the general public.

Get a grip.

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I know! I was posting the guidelines for healthcare workers. Surely you are aware some people will be treated or taken care of at home. When you read these guidelines, as for me, it put things into perspective of how dangerous it is. When you realize how easy it is to be infected from an unknown common sense should be the norm. Get a grip? I’ve got the grip because I’m aware.

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Healthcare workers are dealing with ventilators and other machines that make infected droplets fly through the air, if some strains of the disease are deadlier than others then they're going to be dealing with the deadly strains in person, and most importantly, they're going to be going from patient to patient so they HAVE to make sure they don't carry pathogens from one patient to another. The respiratory therapist who treats a ventilated COVID patient will be seeing other patients, including those who are debilitated, elderly, or with compromised immune systems.

So all these guidelines aren't so much in place to protect the caregivers, although obviously that's part of the program, as to protect the other patients seen by those caregivers. That's what the "respiratory protection program" is all about, preventing pathogens from going from hospital patient to hospital patient, and as such, it's not a program the average home caregiver will need to follow.

Home caregivers aren't going to be dealing with the sort of machines that can send the viruses airborne, they don't typically have multiple unrelated patients, and hopefully they have the sense to keep as clean as possible, handwash as if lives depended on it, and avoid contact with anyone at risk. Look, if you're worried, the best way to deal with your feelings is to follow the social distancing or shelter in place restrictions called for in your area, and to put your energy into urging others to do the same (from at least six feet away). THE best thing anyone can do right now, is to stop transmission of the disease.

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You got it! Ditto! I’m really not worried. What will be...will be. From what I’m reading our hands need to be cleaned continually. We touch so many things just going to the grocery and back into the car. A thought: Would it be wise for airlines to issue non-latex gloves? Then we run the risk of depriving those who really need them, so we will continue to wash and sanitize our hands until they are raw & bleeding!

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Raw hands will make you more vulnerable.

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You are correct, but we have no choice. I applied a hand lotion after the sanitizer.

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You might try an emollient Before cleansing.

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Oh...reverse it?

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It's a bit like conditioning your hair Before a perm. You know it's going to dry your hands in addition to cleaning them. You take less damage this way.

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I just heard about a phrase repeated in the Bible 365 times. Now, I'm more spiritual than religious but the message hits home and for many reasons -

"Be Not Afraid"

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Thank you for reminding me of that scripture. I’m at the airport now...2 hours early so I’m going to watch a movie. Some of us are laughing at the signs to keep a distance of 6 ft during the security line...yet they pack us like sardines on board! A minuscule of people wearing masks. Lots using sanitizer.

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If you continue to read, you will find that almost no one gets sick from this. It is less than a cold with symptoms that pass in a few days.

If you have lung cancer or are 90, then it's going to get real.

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Tell that to the over 8,000 who have died, it’s just getting started.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And it’s not just the elderly. More from the 18-60 age group are being infected. Click on a Florida County.

https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86

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You are an example of an uneducated person.

Each year in the US 20 to 50,000 people die of the flu.

That is just in the US.

These numbers seem important to you because it's all you know and you just heard it.

All people dying are extremely ill and extremely old people. I haven't seen one case where a healthy person dies.

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For the record, the first person to die from the virus in my county was age 60. I don't know what their overall health was (smoker? obese? diabetic?) but this person was not a nursing home resident. I'll be curious if they release more relevant info.

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People with severe diabetes probably aren't either.

I read a bunch of case studies on Harvard Medical. People that had lung surgery, previously lung cancer, etc were at risk.

I knew a 42 year old guy that died in his house from the flu last year. I just learned of this a month ago. I never heard of a person dying from the flu. However, I recently learned that like 50k people die of it a year.

He was short, fat, drank, smoked, and did drugs at times. He also had anger issues and refused to take care of himself.

So....holy shit...a 42 year old died! But, wait, he was a real slob, that's why he died.

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You know I’ve told you before I’m fed up with your insults. Are you astute enough to be able to reply without personal attacks? Apparently not! You seem to be the highly uneducated one on this board. Intelligent people can reply with facts and links to what is truth. I know full well how many people in just the U.S. succumb to the flu each year. If you continue with your snarky, snide replies you will soon become a non-entity to the rest of the posters on this board. You are a troll whether you realize it or not!

“If you continue to read, you will find that almost no one gets sick from this. It is less than a cold with symptoms that pass in a few days.”

So no one gets sick from this? 🤦🏼‍♀️🙇🏼‍♀️ I will be the first to admit, I’m dumbfounded by that statement. How do you live with yourself? Tell that to this guy. He should spit in your face, but no worry...no more than a cold.🤷🏼‍♀️

“The first person diagnosed with COVID-19 in New Jersey was a 32-year-old man who had been admitted to the hospital.
In a video posted to Twitter over the weekend, the patient explained that he’d had no underlying medical conditions that would make him susceptible to severe illness, yet the new coronavirus was making him sicker and sicker. He spoke from a hospital bed where he had been hooked up to tubes helping him breathe.”

BTW, a healthy person doesn’t die from the virus! Once a person gets the virus s/he isn’t healthy any longer. Are you able to comprehend what I wrote.🙄

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Almost no one gets sick from this.

That is WHY they tell you not to confuse it with allergies.

Having "the sniffles" is not sick. Having "flu like symptoms" is not sick.

Sick is where you are down and in bed. Severely ill is you went to the doctor because it was too much. Critical is where you need to be in the hospital.

These are everyday kind of terms for severity of illness.

I don't know what you are stuck on, but it's stupid. It smacks of wanting this to be worse for some perverted secondary emotional gain, I do not know. I am HAPPY it's not that bad for most people. It is not "viral pneumonia" as I thought. That is terrible even when you get a mild case.

I I have had all the symptoms for a couple of weeks and either have it, or the flu. Whatever the case, it is unpleasant, but it's nowhere near the flu.

That is the reality as reported by every important source.

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I really don’t want to insult you as you have done me and others, but dear Lord if you had a brain you would be dangerous! “Almost no one gets sick from this.”? What is wrong with you? Have you not read how many are dying, DYING in Italy? Have died in China and elsewhere? No one gets sick? I suppose the 32 year old man on tubes in order to breathe is not sick? I suppose all the ones who have succumbed were not sick? Geez!,

We now have a 6 year old boy infected. Doctors and healthcare workers are becoming ill, but you say “Almost no one gets sick from this.”

“Coronavirus in Florida: Cases top 300; Palm Beach County has youngest, a 6-year-old” boy

https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/20200318/coronavirus-in-florida-wersquore-at-300-pbc-has-youngest-6-year-old-boy



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Dude, the other idiot just posted this:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/summary.html

They believe the virus is severe and pointed me to look at where it says: Severity.

The comment is that most cases are MILD.

That's what I've been saying and that severe cases are in sick people.

Only an insane person can read that and filter it through their jacked up mind and have it say it's a severe disease.

MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE IT.

Colds don't even work that way. Everyone who gets a cold knows it and certainly knows they have the flu. They are miserable illnesses. This is NOT.

Some people are allergic to peanuts. MOST people are NOT but some people---if even peanut molecules are in the air, will have a dangerous reaction. BUT peanuts are not defined by these people.

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Ooooh, that's what it is now. Crab-walk complete.

No more 99/100. It's been replaced by "most" -- 51% thru 98% count too now.

How convenient! It all works when you abandon your initial exaggerated claim!

All these qualify as "most" too...

" However, it can cause serious illness: about 1 in every 5 people who catch it need hospital care."

"Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. "

16% seriously ill in that Chinese study

33% seriously ill according to current Chinese data.

BUT NONE OF YOUR SOURCES SAY NEARLY 100% get no serious illness.

Only YOU did.

But what's 15, 20, 32 percentage points when it comes to serious illness in large populations?? No biggie. Adlerian doesn't wanna skip a workout so he's deemed it a nothing for all Americans. Rest easy, all. Addie had it clocked all along -- b/c it's just like that snow storm, fat guy, peanut, thingamajig, blah-blah, whatever, etc that makes for a perfectly meaningless analogy. And he's sick too! He doesn't actually know if its COVID-19, but still. He's dealing with it so it needed to be added to the argument for some bizarre reason. Makes sense.

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A doctor today said for every case of Covid-19 we know about...there are 10 more we don’t know about. I trust the doctors who deal with this a hell of a lot more than this know-it-all who cannot prove what he’s ranting about! Notice he didn’t reply anything about the six year old kid who’s been infected.

This guy has no common sense! They don’t shut the world down for the common cold. They don’t shut the world down for the 3 month flu. Disney? Disney never shuts down...maybe one day for a hurricane. Doctors treat patients daily for the common cold and the flu, but the doc doesn’t catch either one. How long has this virus been in the states? For a few weeks! My friend’s doc just tested positive.

Also, he completely ignored the 32 year old who has to breathe with tubes!

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All these guidelines are coming from the CDC. The same body that he pretends to be aligned with is making all these restrictive suggestions.

He also said there's no need for a vaccine -- yet he makes this comparison to flu season -- which would be so much worse without its vaccine. I guess it's too bad for the old and unhealthy. And yes, he tried to wave off the 32 yr old (I live in the same town as that guy) with me earlier -- but now he just ignores him like anything else that doesn't confirm his bias.

The entire world is mobilizing for something that he pretends to know more about than these decision-makers, scientists, and medical health professionals. He reads these reports that have eluded all these people somehow.

And if all these measures avert the worst outcomes here, he'll say "See??" while ignoring the effect of those measures to that end.

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“ 97% is damn close to 100.

It's nearly 100% and I am just repeating facts to your crazy ass”

This is all he understood from your reply? I wrote if he had a brain he would be dangerous. He completely ignores facts from the links HE posts! Let’s see what he takes from the latest CDC reports. Also, the virus is showing signs of mutating.

From the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.html

“Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

New C.D.C. data showed that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were aged 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.

AMERICAN ADULTS OF ALL AGES (emphasis mine) — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States.”

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I replied to him elsewhere regarding the news of that NJ family that broke late yesterday and updated this morning.

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The virus creates pneumonia-like symptoms, including fever and difficulty breathing. Open the link to see the comp of Covid 19 vs Flu

“Shortness of Breath” stands out like a red flag!

https://i.insider.com/5e6a58e684159f61963287a2?width=1200&format=jpeg&auto=webp

“The coronavirus may pose more of a risk to children than scientists originally thought.”

“A female tour guide in Japan tested positive for the virus a second time last month — evidence that people could get the coronavirus multiple times.“

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No, no, no, Ksp. Don't you know? It only causes mild cold-like symptoms. Except for people who are 90+ years old or have cancer 🙄

The self-appointed ignorant expert here says so. Ad nauseam.

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Double Ad nauseam. 🙄🙇🏼‍♀️ 🙄🙇🏼‍♀️ This self appointed professor of contagious diseases knows all, sees all. What dumbfounds me and dmac8 is the prof either skirts around his own links or totally belies them.🤷🏼‍♀️ He argues against absolute facts stated by the most learned world scientists!

This includes Dr. Fauci who is head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. My husband’s home-care nurse just left. She remarked the looney’s are stating exactly what you wrote, but (thank God) the healthcare profession is paying heed to Dr. Fauci.

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He's too invested now. Does he come off as the type who'd ever say "Oh, I didn't see that, think of that." or "I made a mistake" or "I don't know for sure; I just have a hunch."?

Such a concession would shatter what seems like fragile self-esteem. His grandiose and usually irrelevant tangents regarding his intelligence, knowledge, and experience speak to that. He tries way too hard to convince others of his genius. It's as if he fears you won't take him seriously unless he does. He puffs out his chest while shivering that you may not buy it when he does.

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"Such a concession would shatter what seems like fragile self-esteem. His grandiose and usually irrelevant tangents regarding his intelligence, knowledge, and experience speak to that."

It actually is a fragile self-esteem. That's the motivation behind the grandiosity and the overwhelming need to appear to others as an expert On All Important Things.

I should have more compassion, knowing this. Unfortunately narcissists' behaviour makes it very challenging to feel compassion for them.

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I would let it go too but he draws my ire when he dips into the mud once people aren't accepting his take as sacrosanct.

And none of what he's said here on this topic comes from a glass-half-full, optimist's approach. He's not trying to be positive. He's just trying to depict himself as seeing what most are too stupid to see.

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In case there are people reading this who, out of fear and a need for denial as a result, are taking what he says as fact, it's a good thing to call him out on his BS. I applaud you for it.

I doubt there are many, because he's very transparent to adults, and I think this site is 18+ to register, although who knows who else is reading.

He comes from the perspective of someone who's only concerned with himself.

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Good Grief! We have another “the world is flat” spokesperson!

From:

SoapboxQuantez08 (267) 29 minutes ago

“BTW, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning that 32 year old that's been hospitalized.
Whatever he's seriously sick from, It's not this virus, more like an undiagnosed condition.”


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He's like this about everything, not just the coronavirus. His bloviating usually doesn't matter, but when he's using it to excuse irresponsible behaviour, then yes, it matters.

It's not just you and Dmac8. Everyone sees it. You know how little kids hide their heads under a blanket and think that means you can't see them? It's like that.

Only a narcissist behaves this way, arguing against absolute facts and pretending they didn't say what they said, even when it's right there in black and white and can be 100% proven 😀

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Like I told Keelai, last year 43% of those hospitalized for the flu were younger than 64 years old.

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97% is damn close to 100.

It's nearly 100% and I am just repeating facts to your crazy ass.

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In the winter of 2016-2017 almost 25000 people died from the flu in Italy, most of them elderly people. Up till now 34000 have died from Corona, which is not that surprising considering it's new, has no vaccine and hit more quickly than expected. As of now there's no reason to assume it won't die down like the common flu when spring comes.

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"[–] TheAdlerian (2094) 4 months ago

I have had all the symptoms for a couple of weeks and either have it, or the flu. Whatever the case, it is unpleasant, but it's nowhere near the flu."

and that was the last we heard of him.


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And if you read the source YOU just posted on the other thread before running away, you'll see a contradiction to this weird penchant for confirmation bias after appealing to your own authority.

"Illness due to COVID-19 infection is generally mild, especially for children and young adults. However, it can cause serious illness: about 1 in every 5 people who catch it need hospital care."

"Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. "

Both come from YOUR SOURCE.

Using U.S.-to-date stats is bizarre when we have so much more data. YOUR OWN SOURCE is using all of it for their ratio. Nowhere do they say "Around 1 out of 100 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill." That's your brainchild born of a narrow focus on one stat while dropping the wider context. COVID-19 didn't come to the U.S. and say I'm gonna infect Americans too but only hit them hard at a 1 in 100 clip for some reason. Only you came up with that non sequitur, but your own supposed source didn't. But we both know you didn't read your own source, right?

Based on your other source, 33% of patients who have it in China are in serious or critical condition. And that's China who will do anything to downplay this. The measures that we're taking are in an effort to slow the infection rate so that won't be the case here -- your desire to hit the gym anyway notwithstanding, of course. I hope no one from the gym ran into that 90 yr old.

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Yes, the "1" is typically and old person.

They say it over and over.

The generally description of this a symptoms less than a cold and far less duration.

There are NO reports I've seen of a previously normal person going for a hospital stay.

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Of course, you continue to crab-walk away from your initial claim and the contradiction in the source you reference.

You didn't answer a thing.

But since you like to put forth anecdotal evidence as something significant or as some false equivalency, let me do the same with a person from where I live, the first case in the state.

32, no underlying health issues. He's not recovered in some quarantine state twiddling his thumbs. He's been battling for 2 weeks.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/new-jersey-patient-fighting-coronavirus-uable-to-talk-from-illness/

So your latest "NO reports" claim is off as well. You see what you wanna see.

And the reason that 90 yr old might not die if it were flu is b/c we have a vaccine and that's why everyone is urged to get that shot. Get it? Understand the need for a vaccine?? Or do we just spot the virus all the old and unhealthy??

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Walk away...there's nothing to walk away from.

It's not an argument, the details are easily found.

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You already presented a source where "the details are easily found" yet it contradicts a very specific claim you made. Gee, what's wrong with quoting your source now? No need to find more when you already show us, right?

Clearly, you didn't read that source. So you play your dopey, dodgy game now as always and avert your eyes from the quotes that I already showed you. Now, it's about "reports" and all this other reading you've done. That's the latest step in the crab-walk. The idea that 99 out of 100 of ALL people infected barely get noticeable symptoms and recover within 3 days is nowhere to be found in the first source you forwarded.

And again, from your other stat source, a snapshot of the U.S., at this point, while dropping all else, is beyond stupid. Limiting it to the USA was the other step in the crab-walk. WHO doesn't do that and neither should you. Who would?? That's where your number is coming from but that says nothing of what this virus has done to all people infected. You created an American subset that must somehow avoid more sickness while infected going forward but with no logical rationale for why that would be. It's the first inning here. Elsewhere, 99 of 100 infected barely getting sick is false. Again, look at your own sources for that data and stop trying to confirm your bias.

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You are posting inks to the new york post.

I was discussing the CDC.

I don't know if that 32 year old is reporting "he doesn't like it" or is he an official critical case. I had every symptom he reports and it is not fun, but I've had viral pneumonia twice that the symptoms he reports are nothing compared to that.

Official case studies are the same as a guy reporting he has to poop while in hysterics.

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I was countering your anecdotes with one of my own -- as I clearly explained -- which you probably glanced over. He tested positive. No one is disputing the veracity of his claim. He doesn't have to be "critical" either. By not having only barely noticeable symptoms that disappeared after 3 days, he breaks your theory. That's what 99 out of 100 are supposed to be experiencing, right? And he's 32 and healthy -- not your 1 90 yr old with cancer.

But the latest crab-walk is questioning the guy and the paper, huh? Why not focus on that WHO link you first forwarded. Why do you keep avoiding that?

"Illness due to COVID-19 infection is generally mild, especially for children and young adults. However, it can cause serious illness: about 1 in every 5 people who catch it need hospital care."

"Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. "

That's not "this is a illness so light nearly 100% of the people think it's allergies or a mild bunch of flu symptoms." per your own source. And 33% of infected people in China disagree per your other source.

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Crab walk...lol.

The dude you posted has MILD symptoms. He's not in the hospital, he has "the flu" as it would be commonly called without publicity.

You are in hysterics over a guy with the flu.

You are Spider Scuttling

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Still no answers, same dodging from the real-life superhero.

Can't admit that you didn't read your own sources.

Can't admit that your logic sucks.

Hilarious. You didn't even read the article; he went into the hospital on March 2.

Here's a more recent update.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/16/nj-coronavirus-patient-james-cai-says-nobody-knows-when-hell-fully-recover/

And something from CBS. He's taking clinical trial meds.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-new-jersey-james-cai/

They always give you those when it's nothing but a barely noticeable "flu" with few symptoms, that disappears on its own, after 3 days, in young people with no health issues.

But just keep parroting the same stuff while avoiding the gaffe of you providing sources that contradict your assertions. You're doing what you say others do. Yet it's you who should read more, but more importantly, think harder -- and please, for everyone's sake, post less.

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Stop Spider Scuttling and calm down.

The CDC isn't lying, and people with flu symptoms or less aren't dying or going to be admitted to a hospital.

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I'm calm and you're full of shit.

And yeah, CDC isn't lying -- but maybe you are?

Here's what the CDC is actually saying about the severity.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/summary.html

"Severity"

"The complete clinical picture with regard to COVID-19 is not fully known. Reported illnesses have ranged from very mild (including some with no reported symptoms) to severe, including illness resulting in death. While information so far suggests that most COVID-19 illness is mild, a report out of China suggests serious illness occurs in 16% of cases. Older people and people of all ages with severe chronic medical conditions — like heart disease, lung disease and diabetes, for example — seem to be at higher risk of developing serious COVID-19 illness."

Contrast that with your spin of 'this is an illness so light nearly 100% of the people think it's allergies or a mild bunch of flu symptoms." Stop bringing up the CDC as though you're echoing their sentiment. None of your three sources have actually said what you're saying. CDC says they don't fully know but you pretend to. CDC references the Chinese stats while you ignore them. You've done exactly what you're accusing others of doing. You've made up a narrative from the start that you can't quite align with the facts. You decided first then you went looking for data to confirm your bias. And even when you do find data, it doesn't quite match what you say about it, or you draw a definitive conclusion that no logical person would. And more false analogies and anecdotes won't help your case either.

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WHAT do you NOT understand about THAT!?

WTF.

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I understand that none of your sources say what you did.

You turned this

"not fully known", Chinese data that said 16% get seriously ill from a January study, current Chinese data that says 33% infected are seriously ill, WHO saying "However, it can cause serious illness: about 1 in every 5 people who catch it need hospital care.", WHO saying "Around 1 out of every 6 people who get COVID-19 becomes seriously ill "

into mild cold, 3 days and done for 99 of 100! Don't worry, Adlerian says it's nothing and he knows the unknown! Just listen to the CDC you say, except they didn't say that at all and neither do your other sources.

All you did is take your initial leaning then stop with the early numbers from the US. As though US citizenship means you have special physiology that won't allow the infection to manifest as more than a barely noticeable cold. Don't bother with the Chinese who have dealt with it for a longer period, with many more infections, and came away with nothing that resembles only 1 of 100 with serious illness. As though Chinese just get sicker with this infection than Americans will for some innate reason. It just makes perfect sense to turn a blind eye to the most voluminous data set we have. That's brilliant.

And of course, "NO report" of a younger person with no underlying health issues getting seriously ill and hospitalized here! -- except the example put in front of your nose, that you couldn't quite swat away, so you just stopped acknowledging it when another person brought it up too.

Yeah, WTF is the right. Your confirmation bias turned an early US snap-shot and a personal preference into a sure-fire prognosis for all Americans. Your info sucks but no one should be misled into thinking that info came from these sources. My suggestion that you massaged things is the understatement of the year.

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It is exactly what I have been saying.

You are irrational and I'm cool.

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You're a clown and you prove it every time you play dumb(er) to wriggle out of the latest misfire

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In sing-song “If he only had a brain!”! If another remake of “Wizard of Oz” is produced he should respond to the casting call for the Scarecrow!

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"It is exactly what I have been saying."

😂 Do you really think people don't see right through you? Is this OJ Simpson level deny, deny, deny? You're very transparent. We know what you've been saying. It's in black and white. This is a childish attempt at gaslighting.

"You are irrational and I'm cool."

😂 No further comment neccessary.

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You people are genuinely crazy.

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Sure. It's everyone else, never you. Anything and everything to attempt to protect your fragile ego. I know it's not your fault in many regards. There's little that can be done to help narcissists, if anything. I'm torn between having compassion for you for what created you and contempt at the damage you try to (and often do) do to others. Rock and a hard place.

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He's just playing dumb. The giveaway is in the beginning when he doesn't acknowledge a critical part of what you say or ask. Then when you have to ask again, he pretends that the critical part is identical to what he's said from the start. Then he parrots the same with some name-calling along the way until he doesn't respond at all.

I think the mods are watching him in regards to the name-calling as well as the bigotry that he can't help revealing. His post count suddenly drops in number every now and then. I doubt he's deleting -- but the mods might be.

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I tend to agree with you about the Mod Squad watching. They may be waiting on someone to flag a Report, which I came in a hair’s breath of doing. If they were deleting you would see [Deleted]. I doubt the narcissist would delete himself!

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