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I hate when people say that there are not enough female directors...


...and then as their proof they say only 4% of the top 100 box office films were directed by them. I really don't understand this logic. The number would also be low for the amount of women that are miners or oil drillers. If they want to prove it, they somehow have to come up with the number of women who want to be directors, and how many have actually made a movie. It's impossible to find that number, but that's the only way to be somewhat accurate. Maybe women don't want to be directors. Just because they're roughly 50% of the population, doesn't mean that have to be 50% of every working position.

It's all about interest. I mean, how many male babysitters are there? Nurses? Librarians? Veterinarians? Men just don't gravitate to those jobs. I went to film school and there wasn't a single female there. I know that's only one school in one area, but it makes you think that women would rather take other positions in film.

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I thought gender was a matter of choice nowadays. Maybe some of these male directors identifies as women.

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The Wachowskis do.

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Now that you mention it.

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You're absolutely right about the matter of interest.
But it's also true that people are impatient and expect everything to happen overnight.
The world has opened up for everyone but it takes time for those that are interested to journey their way up to be qualified for some of these interest.

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Maybe now that people are talking about this deceiving percentage, women will be more inclined to be interested in it. I can't stand how people think that a lack of female directors means they're not talented. There are definitely talented female directors but as far as them having an interest, that remains to be seen.

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i mostly agree.

one of the more interesting statistics regarding gender disparity in careers is that, in countries where women are the most free, we see the greatest disparity in career choice.

for example, the scandinavian countries, the most equal, progressive-minded countries in the world, have fewer female stem grads than less free countries. it seems to be the case that, when women are free to choose what they want, they don't select computer programming or engineering, and that is perfectly fine. we're all entitled to our preferences, & it seems very likely to me that obsessing about movies to the extent you become a director may be one of the things women care about a lot less than men.

if there's some ingrained bias that prevents women from becoming directors, then someone ought to do something about that, but it seems to me far more likely that men just care more about such things. i was watching a yt video from one of those movie wonks recently, & he said his yt audience is about 97% men, & that doesn't seem too far off from what i've observed myself.

there are lots of things worth working for, all kinds of unfairness & injustice that people could help if they put their time & money towards sorting it out. people freely choosing to not do something isn't one of them, i reckon.

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Exactly. If there is bias, it definitely needs to be called out but so many examples people give like only 4% of the top 100 box office films being directed by women is just deceiving.

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People need to say there are not enough GOOD movies.

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Yep, let's concentrate on the real problem ....and that's it for me.

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Instead, they use bullshit to divert the attention to the real problem.

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It's the same as there being more female nurses than male one's, It's just what either gender tends to gravitate towards.

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It's strange how people think a percentage of a demographic (man, woman, black, white) needs to correlate appropriately with job applicants.

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I definitely think there's something odd about correlating gender with occupation. However, I don't think the issue is that there are not enough female directors specifically, but the disparity between the genders in a field that does not call for a specific gender is odd.

Also, the idea that certain genders simply gravitate towards certain occupations or job fields is very grey imho. I don't consider these choices biological or accidental. If you've ever read any work by Germaine Greer, for example, she's been addressing this issue since the 1970s.

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Not biological, but more relatable. Let's look at makeup. Women are generally more interested in going into that field. Women see other women do it and feel inspired. They feel they can relate. It's kind of like that whole "representation matters" hash tag that's been going around. It's more difficult for women to be miners because I'm sure a lot of women don't want to be surrounded by so many men. The ones who don't care, go out and get those jobs in mining.

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documentary about this issue, watch it and all your questions will be addressed https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5713994/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

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If I can find it, I'll check it out.

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https://ymovies.tv/
https://www6.putlockertv.to/watch/half-the-picture.mq1j7/062zqr

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Thanks. I've added it to my queue.

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I'm gonna hold you to it.

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I'm actually hoping that I'm right because if I'm wrong that means women have been overlooked just for being women.

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I genuinely wonder how many women want to direct what passes for entertainment these days. Does a woman want to direct a John Woo type movie, or another Batman, Superman, comic book movie? And how many female Kubrick's are out there? Even if we have a successful female director or three, every director has to create a body of work that commands an investment in their future. This isn't easy for anyone.
That said, we have had gender disparity in a lot fields, and it should continue to be addressed.

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I've felt that the best female directors are the ones who aren't doing Hollywood movies.

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There's that one woman who did The Hurt Locker. I hope she broke ground and ceilings with that. But one of the TV pioneers was the great Ida Lupino. How she got the chance to direct, I don't know, but I've seen credits.

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My favourite female director is probably Susanne Bier. With Ida Lupino, I've only seen The Trouble With Angels, though I did download The Hitchhiker off of YouTube but I have yet to see it. I have about 50 movies on a backlog and I'll eventually get to it.

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