I do in extreme circumstances, such as the horrific murder of those two Scandinavian girls in Morocco. They were beheaded while alive and the video was posted to social media for all of their family and friends to see. I just can't imagine. According to reports, the men are ISIS supporters are are heard saying in the video "This is in revenge for our brothers in Hajin," a reference to a town in eastern Syria lost by so-called Islamic State (IS) to US-backed forces this week.
I say this with utmost respect. I used to support the death penalty (in certain cases) but after doing some research, I've become more opposed to it. For one thing, the justice system has gotten it wrong on numerous occasions and continues to do so, for a number of reasons: lack of evidence, poor representation in court (prosecutors hold a *lot* of power), inaccurate testimonies, etc. For another, it is applied unevenly; African Americans are sentenced to death something like ten times more often than Caucasians, and for the same types of crimes. Thirdly, there's little to substantiate its effectiveness in deterring crime. And lastly, it's rooted in "eye for an eye" thinking--that is, retribution--which doesn't make much sense given that we don't exact the same kind of retribution when it comes to other crimes. We don't sentence a rapist to be raped, or a batterer to be thrown to a group of people armed with clubs; yet we sentence a killer to death. We're quite inconsistent when it comes to "justice."
I doubt that any reasonable person has ever thought of the death penalty as a deterrent, so I
agree with you. The biochemicals released by anger actually impair cognition significantly, reducing the ability to consider foreseeable consequences. As you say, death has always been about satisfying righteous outrage, not about prevention; but we humans are imperfect, and I feel and think there are times that call for righteous outrage. I like your idea of dolling out like for like, rape and so on. We’ve hamstrung ourselves by prohibiting “cruel and unusual” punishments, deluding ourselves to think that our civilized punishments are, what?, kind and caring? There have been times when executions have been postponed because the inmate was ill, hence, “too sick” to be executed! What’s wrong with this picture? Here’s another question: how many inmates convicted of violent crime emerge from prison rehabilitated? We have a huge recidivism rate in the US. (We also
have more prison inmates per capita than any other country.) I submit that we should give in to our passion and mete out like for like. I submit that death may be too easy a way out for a true monster, especially the quick and allegedly compassionate deaths that we now administer. In L.A. Confidential, Bud White tells a violent husband (out of he has just beaten the toadstools) something like, “You just violated parole, so you’re going back. While you’re gone, I’m gonna get real cosy with your parole officer. When you get out, if you best her again, I’m gonna violate your ass back to Quentin on a kiddie-raper beef. You know what they do to kiddie-rapers in Quentin, don’t you.” It wasn’t a question. The system knows how to exact an eye for an eye that aren’t on the books. We might be a healthier and less hypocritical society if we legally codified those ways.
None of this addresses your valid point about invalid convictions, Lovely, because I don’t have an answer. It is a terrible problem. It causes huge, and MORE
heart-rendering suffering. It is further evidence of human imperfection. Speaking very personally, I’ve found that I became much more calm and happy when I learned to accept myself and my world even with imperfection. I believe in striving to improve, always, but I can still love a flawed world and a flawed me, because neither one is ever going to be perfect. The Lord is perfect. We are not. But we can be wonderful and excellent.
Odd (or just blatantly hypocritical) how someone who comes across as occasionally magnanimous as this is actually one of the crabbiest, most judgmental & condemning posters on the site. It's exactly the type of stuff that turns so many off to Christianity.
No, not even for the racist bastard(s) who have just opened fire on a New Zealand mosque.
The state should only be enfranchised to take a life when there is no other choice (i.e. opening fire on a terrorist about to, or in the midst of, committing a murderous act), not where a criminal is safely behind bars.
As another poster pointed out, most violent criminals aren't deterred by the death penalty. What they're deterred by is the possibility of being caught.
What about the death penalty for Obama for starting that war against Syria? I can only imagine how it made those two Muslims feel to have those two Western girls go slumming in in their country, after what the West has been doing to their people. Their anger is justified.
Obama didn't start the Syrian Civil War you silly goose!
Slumming around? They were hiking. Morocco is a popular tourist destination for Europeans and is generally considered a safe country. You say their anger is justified...Are you saying they deserved it?
If you were going to prison for 40 years, would you rather spend that time in prison or receive the death penalty? I know what I would do. How about you?