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Have you seen anything that defies conventional explanation?


Ghost? Unidentified flying object? Time slip? I'm not sold on such phenomena completely, but it seems arrogant to say it's not possible. I don't believe in God, due to a serious lack of evidence on the subject, but I could be proven wrong if I witnessed something that undeniably proved God's existance. I feel very comfortable saying I believe there is intelligent life outside of our planet, and that they have visited us. I don't believe in life after death, but haven't seen any apparitions to make me think otherwise. I did once see what I believe to be an alien craft, but I won't say more because I'll use it in my writing somewhere. I know that sounds crazy, but seeing is believing.

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Yes. But it is covered by the Unofficial Secrets Act...

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I think the fact that we are alive and conscious defies conventional explanations. It pretty much blows my mind everytime I think about life and consciousness.

This feeling even has a word: "sonder." Probably worth the google...

Or the click of this video:
https://youtu.be/AkoML0_FiV4

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My thunder has been stolen..

Here's what science can only guess at and do so in a silly manner: why is there *anything*. Why isn't there nothingness. Scientists now say that the universe suddenly popped out of nothing. How long was there nothing when suddenly billions of galaxies were farted into existence?

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Time is part of our universe and may not have existed prior or outside it; or maybe it did, we'll never know.

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I've read a lot about Skinwalker Ranch. There's too much documented phenomena to be ignored. It even goes as far back to Native American legends.

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I've never heard about that before, but I just now looked it up. Looking through the stuff that supposedly happens there, a lot of it has perfectly mundane explanations. I've read about cattle mutilations in other places, which have been easily explained by the cattle simply dying and then bugs and animals going to town on their corpses.

Another of the phenomena listed is crop circles, which is a laugh, considering the original crop circles were proven to be a hoax. If this happened at all, people are probably just seeing crop damage from weather or wildlife and confusing it with extraterrestrial/paranormal activity.

Much of the stuff is also likely the work of hoaxers; one of the things about areas regarded as haunted or whatever is that they inherently attract pranksters. Another thing could be residents simply lying, making stuff up for attention.

Additionally, the mere fact that a place is perceived to be haunted or whatever and has legends attached to it also inherently encourages people to look for weird unexplainable things, and to automatically attribute anything odd or anything they can’t immediately understand to supernatural phenomena. If people EXPECT weird things to happen, then they’re going to see weird things. They’re already in a state of mind to unwittingly exaggerate things and read more into them than what’s actually there.

The site I'm looking at says the area has experienced UFO activity since the 1950s. Why the 1950s? Why not earlier? Conveniently it starts just when modern jet aircraft come into existence, the US government is researching and testing experimental technology (for the Cold War, the military or just scientific purposes), and humans are starting to send satellites into space. Perhaps there are military facilities not far away; lord knows the US is covered with those, being one of the most heavily militarized countries on Earth. But if it is aliens rather than the military, why would they pick that particular location to focus their activities on? They could land anywhere on the planet, so why there?

I won’t go on too long, but everything I'm seeing so far about that ranch can be conventionally explained. There could be such things as, I don't know, gases coming out of the Earth in the area which cause hallucinations and other ill effects on humans and wildlife. That's just a thought off the top of my head.

There being Native American legends about the place doesn't really strengthen the case for paranormal activity. White people have a habit of fetishizing all things Native American, especially their religions and folk legends, even while recognizing that most Old World superstitions were nonsense. Native Americans are people like anyone else, and just as capable of misinterpreting things and believing in nonsense, particularly considering that these kinds of legends come from pre-modern times when all kinds of things we now regard as mundane were harder to understand and explain.

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Not sure why they listed crop circles (which I'm not a believer of) since the ranch is in a desert. And about the cattle mutilations - it wasn't your typical mutilation. Some cows were found neatly sliced up with organs missing and no sign of blood. Their once brave dogs starting acted fearful of something unknown. Some believe it might be a portal entrace to another dimension. Sounds crazy I know, but scientifically, there are other dimensions,. I'm not even into the paranormal of anything like that, but the stories of this place has always intrigued me. I do believe something is going on that can't be explained. Here's a good book if your interested.

https://www.amazon.com/Hunt-Skinwalker-Science-Confronts-Unexplained/dp/1416505210/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1531005591&sr=8-2&keywords=skinwalker+ranch&dpID=51jAV8c14yL&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

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I'll check it out. I've been on a reading binge lately anyway, so if nothing else I'm on the lookout for anything interesting/entertaining to read. And I do enjoy that kind of stuff.

About the cattle mutilations, yeah, the thing about there being no blood is something I've seen explained. Apparently flies can drain a cow's blood in a surprisingly rapid space of time. I learned that from watching a TV show about the chupacabra legend a while back. People found dead cows with all the blood drained, and so they thought it was the chupacabra, but some experts studied the matter and found that bugs just devoured the cows' blood really quickly and made it look like the cows got surgically cut open and had their blood drained by some supernatural force.

Btw I'm not trying to be a party pooper or anything. I'm open to the possibility of unexplainable things, and if nothing else, any proof of supernatural or at least highly unusual occurrences would be extremely interesting. But I think the rational first response is skepticism and to first rule out everything logical before concluding that something supernatural may be at work. This has piqued my curiosity though, so yeah I'll check out that book.

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No offense taken. Like I said, I'm not into the supernatural either and will always look for a logical explanations first. This is just something I stumbled upon that caught my interest.

Something else which has piqued my curiosity, which I think you might find interesting, is the Dylatov Pass Incident. Heres a synopsis.

"The mystery of Dead Mountain: In February 1959, a group of nine experienced hikers in the Russian Ural Mountains died mysteriously on an elevation known as Dead Mountain. Eerie aspects of the incident—unexplained violent injuries, signs that they cut open and fled the tent without proper clothing or shoes, a strange final photograph taken by one of the hikers, and elevated levels of radiation found on some of their clothes—have led to decades of speculation over what really happened."

Sounds crazy right? Well, I think the author of this book has solved the long standing mystery with a very logical, scientific explanation. I really enjoyed this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Mountain-Untold-Dyatlov-Incident/dp/1452140030/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1531007271&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=the+dylatov+pass+incident

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Oh yeah, I've heard of that one before, I saw a documentary about it once. I never did find out about any solid conclusions though. I'll check out that book as well. Thanks!

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I haven't personally witnessed anything, but I've known others who claim to have. Stuff about ghosts and the like, I'm not a believer but I'm open-minded, let's say. About God and an afterlife, well, I was raised to be Christian, and right now I wouldn't exactly call myself an atheist; my position now is basically just that I don't know. When I die, if there is an afterlife I'll find out then, and if there isn't, then I won't because my consciousness won't exist to consider it anymore.

As for extraterrestrial life, I don't think that defies conventional explanation at all. I've never agreed with the way alien life is lumped in with the supernatural and things like that. Once we do discover it (which I'm confident we will), it will quickly will become a mundane fact like the existence of any other kind of life. Frankly, considering the sheer enormity of the universe, it strains credulity to believe that there ISN'T life elsewhere in the universe. The same building blocks for life which exist on Earth surely also exist elsewhere. Whether that life possesses human-level or greater intelligence is another question, but that's certainly possible as well.

On the idea that aliens have visited Earth, eh, I don't believe that. I don't think they could have done so without leaving significant evidence, nor can I see why they would want to conceal themselves. I find it hard to believe that alien spacecraft travel some gargantuan distance of thousands or millions of light years just to play tourist, silently observe us and hide from view. If some alien civilization ever does visit Earth, I think we'll know it right away, just for the sheer impact such an event would make, whether their intentions are benign or malevolent. Look how monumentally destructive we humans are with everything we touch on our own planet. If something SO foreign as aliens in a spacecraft show up on our planet, they're going to have a significant impact, whether they mean to or not.

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Yes, Humpty Trumpty!

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He does indeed defy explanation. How someone who is most definitely NOT a politician got to be president of the U.S. and making America great for everyone except terrorists, socialists, illegal aliens, pot heads, crack heads, communists, fascists, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc.

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He's not going to make America great for immigrants, the poor, homeless. He's threatening to do away with Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and who knows what else. He's a racist, xenophobic, sexist, idiot and yes, he is NOT a politician and I'm be glad when he is gone. The sooner the better. I can't wait until November. The Blue Wave is coming.

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Things are greatly improved for *America's* working class. There have always been poor and those homeless by choice (anyone can get a roof over their head if they want it). Still, the workers *participation* rate has increased for the first time in many years. Workers that fell off the unemployment radar because of too much time unemployed are now back in the job market.

Yes, he's a racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, etc by today's progressive definitions. Of course, those words have been rendered completely powerless by today's fools who don't realize that using them on people that don't fit the accepted definition renders them moot.

But I'm also all those things: I didn't vote for Hillary, so I'm a misogynist. I'm a xenophobe because I don't believe in opening borders and allowing illegals to enter freely. I'm homophobic because I don't think a man should be able to use the same bathroom as my wife and daughter. I'm sexist because I don't think men should be able to join a woman's track team.


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I was going to say Trump, but I knew someone must have beat me to it.

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Yes.

Britney Murphy dying in her house of acute pneumonia at the tender age of 32 in 2009 and her husband Simon Monjack dying 5 months later in the same house of acute pneumonia.

That just defies the conventional explanation of it being just a bizarre coincidence.

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Such a sad story. And, yes, it defies conventional explanation.

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i dunno about that. I know people who died young of pneumonia. Heroin abuse.

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Neither was abusing heroin. Autopsy would have revealed such a thing.

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If you can believe the autopsy...

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What plausible motive would the state have for faking the autopsy report?

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"If you don't know, I can't tell you..."

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That's why I'm saying it defies conventional explanation.

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Well it forbids explanation I would say. Put it this way, things are rarely what they seem to be because we live in a hall of mirrors further obscured by smoke.

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I tend to lean towards more pragmatic explanations than conspiracies. I think it's far more likely the coroner mistook the cause of death than deliberately faked it. There'd be no reason to shield her dying of heroin exacerbated pneumonia. It'd just be another story of a Hollywood star succumbing to the excesses of Hollywood rather than this perplexing enigma of dying at 32 of pneumonia from OTC medications.

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Your pragmatic explanations would be the opposite to my smoke and mirrors explanations. And in my experience the world is definitley a smoke and mirrors kind of place.

I have no idea whether Brittany Murphy died of natural causes or was murdered or even if the whole thing was a hoax and she is still alive. But the argument "Why would anyone want to kill her?" doesn't hold water. People can be targeted and killed for no readily apparent reason. Strange but true.

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But if you're advocating a "smoke and mirrors" worldview that implies there's still a reason, just not one that's readily apparent to the public. That's why the question is asked.

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Well I'm an "inside outsider" so I don't know the whys I only know some of the whats and hows. We would need an "inside insider" to answer the whys.

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It's hard to understand how you can advocate a smoke and mirrors worldview and not be consumed with the "why", as it would be the central argument that would justify the smoke and mirrors in the first place.

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This stuff is not obvious, to say the least. And I only know what I definitely know because they have rubbed my nose in it. Otherwise all you can do is guess and obsessing over it at that level is pointless.

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First they blamed it on painkillers, then they blamed it on black mold. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but something happened here. Brittany was friends with Julia Davis, a former Department of Homeland Security Officer, who was a whistle blower.......Brittany clearly knew something and was murdered because of it.

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If they murdered everyone who "knows something" there would be corpses littering the street 10 feet deep. Oh and I am definitely a conspiracy theorist.

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And Monjack too?

You'd think if Julia Davis told Britney something so sensitive that she and Monjack were killed over it, that Davis being the whistle blower she already is would have gone public about it too in order to protect her own life. She was already on the outs with DHS over her whistle blowing.

Yeah the painkillers were all over the counter. The toxic mold claim was made by her mother in a lawsuit. Too bad her dad was such a flake that his application to the court to request hair samples for independent testing was dismissed after he failed to show to two hearings to formalize his request.

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Clearly? That seems speculative to me.

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Drugs.

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The only thing found in her system was over the counter medication.

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That would count as drugs. Been awhile but if I remember she was taking a lot of over the counter medication and had gotten super skinny like she was bolemic or something.

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I'm just saying, dying from over the counter medication at 32 defies conventional explanation.

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Not at all. Over the counter medications can be dangerous, lots of things are dangerous in high dosages or when combined with other things. It's all chemicals.

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Asa Butterfield’s acting career.

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The amount of reasons as to why Hillary lost (according to her).

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